Looks Like the Dreaded Spring Election is on!

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

There is quite a difference between government working for the public in cooperation with the other elected parties and this self appointed king of Canada.

CUT!

Ok Unf, I want you to read your lines again, but this time forget all that stuff they taught you at the Bill Shatner School of Drama.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Ummm, not sure about the 4.1M bbls/d , ??? Unless this includes Natual Gas, oil equivalent ??

CANADIAN ASSOCIATION OF PETROLEUM PRODUCERS | Oil sands fuel Canadian crude oil production growth

Our total oil production is just under 3m bbls/d.
We consume just over 1M bbls/d (approx), so the amount we export is ???, something less than 2M bbls/d ???

So why are we importing oil and paying $1.25/L or more. We can obviously produce enough to supply our own needs so why not do that and save the leftover for emergencies. We could most likely have gas back at $0.50/L

 

[Durry]

Well many people feel the same as you.

I presented a different opinion, which Thanks to democracy, I can do so freely without being ostracized ??

 

[PoliticalNick]

Well many people feel the same as you.

I presented a different opinion, which Thanks to democracy, I can do so freely without being ostracized ??

Of course you're entitled to your opinion no matter how 'elitist' and wrong it may be.

 

[Durry]

So why are we importing oil and paying $1.25/L or more. We can obviously produce enough to supply our own needs so why not do that and save the leftover for emergencies. We could most likely have gas back at $0.50/L

Well that's what P Trudeau tried to do with the NEP. It didn't work !

Oil is priced on the international markets which we are a part off, as well of course the Free Trade Agreement.

We need world oil prices for exploration and development to continue.

no matter how 'elitist' and wrong it may be.

Well that's your opinion, and your free to express it. I happen to disagree with you !!

 

[PoliticalNick]

Well that's what P Trudeau tried to do with the NEP. It didn't work !

Oil is priced on the international markets which we are a part off, as well of course the Free Trade Agreement.

We need world oil prices for exploration and development to continue.

Easy solution is to pull our oil off the world market. No one can make us sell it outside of Canada and it belongs to the People of Canada, not the oil companies who want it tied to the global market because they can then sell it to us for more than its really worth.

 

[Cliffy]

Easy solution is to pull our oil off the world market. No one can make us sell it outside of Canada and it belongs to the People of Canada, not the oil companies who want it tied to the global market because they can then sell it to us for more than its really worth.

Not only that, but we don't need oil, we need R&D into alternatives, and in spite of the oil industries assertions, we can take care of our needs with available technology, we just can't take care of our or their greed.

 

[Durry]

Easy solution is to pull our oil off the world market. No one can make us sell it outside of Canada and it belongs to the People of Canada, not the oil companies who want it tied to the global market because they can then sell it to us for more than its really worth.

Nope, it doesnt work that way. You will have to learn more about business for me to discuss this with you any further tho .

BTW, the Oil belongs to the province it was produced in, ie AB oil belongs to AB and they can set whatever price they want for it. It so happens they bought into world prices.

Not only that, but we don't need oil, we need R&D into alternatives, and in spite of the oil industries assertions, we can take care of our needs with available technology, we just can't take care of our or their greed.

GREED, is great, it makes us all work harder,,,,,,,,,,,,,except the losers of course !!!

 

[Omicron]

I tend to agree. I think Canadians are sick of (minority uncertainty) and this will result in a Conservative majority.

We better order up a bunch of buckets and mops, because if Harper gets his majority the pissing and moaning around here is going to be unfreakinbelievable.:lol:

If Harpo gets a majority I'm just going to follow the money and move my business to the states.

 

[Machjo]

Indeed, we shall. I feel nothing by Contempt for a government that is trying to rival Brian Mulroney's group for unethical and/or illegal conduct. I have had my fill, and despite the fact that the Liberals have no ideas and no leader, I can no longer support the bizarre collection of ethically challenged morons that Harper has decided to surround himself with. There is no way that these idiots deserve my vote, and I'm done with them. They disgust me as much as many of the past Liberals do. I will never support a government that is so disreputable.
One example:
Harper has not condemned Oda's fraud, and to me that makes him approving of fraud. You do not change a document once signed, unless all parties cosign the changes. And she lied about it. That's fraud, and she should be booted and in jail, and since Harper doesn't have the moral integrity to do so, he is not worthy of being PM of my country. He has shown a distinct lack of ethics, somewhat surprising for someone who claims to be a Christian. Despite his talk, by his actions he shows himself to be morally bankrupt, and therefore, I cannot support him.

If Harper is not in your riding, you can't support him anyway. I wouldn't be so quick to dump all Conservatives just because some at the top are corrupt. For example, imagine that in your local riding the Conservative candidate seems to be the best candidate. Would you abandon him for a third-rate candidate just because he's a member of the Conservative party?

Enough of this partisanship!

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nope, it doesnt work that way. You will have to learn more about business for me to discuss this with you any further tho .

FYI - I have a BComm degree. I do know how business works under current law and happen to disagree with most of it.

BTW, the Oil belongs to the province it was produced in, ie AB oil belongs to AB and they can set whatever price they want for it. It so happens they bought into world prices.

Since the AB charter operates only under the Candian charter AB belongs to Canada as a whole ergo the resources also belong to Canada. If you want to get really technical about it the Canadian charter is a fraud as it was a royal proclimation and never ratified by referendum of the people so it all still belongs to the crown of england.

GREED, is great, it makes us all work harder,,,,,,,,,,,,,except the losers of course !!!

Greed is what is destroying society and the time is near at hand when the greedy will be held accountable by the masses.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

If Harpo gets a majority I'm just going to follow the money and move my business to the states.

Maybe you can hook up with Alec Baldwin and ask him when he's making the big move.

 

[Colpy]

Since the AB charter operates only under the Candian charter AB belongs to Canada as a whole ergo the resources also belong to Canada. If you want to get really technical about it the Canadian charter is a fraud as it was a royal proclimation and never ratified by referendum of the people so it all still belongs to the crown of england.

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The Canadian constitution, (Constitution Act, 1982)

92. In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to matters coming within the Classes of Subject next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say, --
...................................................Non-Renewable Natural Resources, Forestry Resources, and Electrical Energy

You really should have some clue before you post.

 

[Mowich]

Problem is, when you say Canadians, you mean a few Canadians and Harper's neoconservomatons. With the government in contempt of parliament for withholding information about these fighter jets they say we need, the scandals they promised to rid Ottawa of for good and this new war they are trying to insert us into while the country wants to bring our troops home, has people howling for an election.

Harper could have prevented an election by working with the other parties or even just the NDP to get the budget passed, but they choose not to. They could make some adjustments, but they choose not to. While they feel that those who can afford $2000 a year to put their kids in to hockey, ballet and paint by number art courses need to have a break on their taxes, those who do need some help get nothing.

Not like the price of food and gas hasn't gone up. No money for that, but instead, $30,000,000,000 for fighter jets.
I bet that kind of money could go a long way in helping hospitals cut emergency waiting times, extend services that patient families are left to take care of at home and get small business back in business.

There is quite a difference between government working for the public in cooperation with the other elected parties and this self appointed king of Canada.

I must be hard of hearing as the so-called 'howls' from the electorate have yet to reach my ears. What I am hearing is a lot of grumbling from my friends and neighbors who think the election is a huge waste of money at a time when we need a steady and capable government to guide us through the last of the recession. The Conservative government is the only choice for Canadians who care about our economy, IMHO.

If Harpo gets a majority I'm just going to follow the money and move my business to the states.

Don't forget to close the door on the way out. :smile:

 

[PoliticalNick]

Colpy, thank you for quoting a document I am quite familiar with. What you fail to see in your quote or the document as a whole is anything that declares ownership of the resources to be held by any other than Canada. The provinces are only allowed to make laws regarding how they are removed from the land and how they are sold afterward.

 

[Colpy]

Colpy, thank you for quoting a document I am quite familiar with. What you fail to see in your quote or the document as a whole is anything that declares ownership of the resources to be held by any other than Canada. The provinces are only allowed to make laws regarding how they are removed from the land and how they are sold afterward.

Okay......


So, once Alberta removes the oil from the ground, and then sells it to the USA, and it is out of the country....then the Canadian gov't asserts control?????

 

[JLM]

I must be hard of hearing as the so-called 'howls' from the electorate have yet to reach my ears. What I am hearing is a lot of grumbling from my friends and neighbors who think the election is a huge waste of money at a time when we need a steady and capable government to guide us through the last of the recession. The Conservative government is the only choice for Canadians who care about our economy, IMHO.



Don't forget to close the door on the way out. :smile:

That's the way I see it, Mowich but I think you and I are from the era where the likes of Corduroy seem to think stupidity dwells. :lol:

 

[PoliticalNick]

Okay......


So, once Alberta removes the oil from the ground, and then sells it to the USA, and it is out of the country....then the Canadian gov't asserts control?????

Not quite but nice try.

The feds cede control to the provinces through the application of the federal charter (constitution). The feds assert control first and then pass it to the provinces.

 

[Colpy]

Not quite but nice try.

The feds cede control to the provinces through the application of the federal charter (constitution). The feds assert control first and then pass it to the provinces.

Noooo....the Feds NEVER had control of natural resources........the Constitution does NOT exist at the pleasure of the federal government, and it does not give the feds the power to "concede" anything listed as a provincial power.

Unless you are speaking of federal powers of disallowance, which are simply not used......

Your post is complete nonsense.

 

[Unforgiven]

CUT!

Ok Unf, I want you to read your lines again, but this time forget all that stuff they taught you at the Bill Shatner School of Drama.

YouTube - Shatner at His Finest!

That is so Harper! heh heh heh
He went to Belfour Collegiate in Regina you know. I think that's where he got all the crazy acting from. The water. Ohhhh!

You know that as soon as the economy is mentioned, which Harper will probably start yapping about first thing, all the jobs that are drying up sending the middle class searching for a new livelihood is going to kill them.

Ottawa's broke, the Neocons are a joke and it's just about time for a toke.