Are you all ready to start paying about $15 for a Big Mac?
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Over the span of 35 years, our pay was generally a little below the private sector while our benefits were probably a little better. Market value? Check with an economist. :smile:
I agree there should be a basic income, and there are in most cases. (maybe not enough for most)
You want to deprive them of that dream. That is in American. (the un American part needs no reply)
Who said anything about depriving them of the dream (and that's what it is)?
I have made a lot of money, yet don't whine about taxes being taken from me to fund schools, infastructure and health care.
Honestly, I don't pay enough.
When I started in 1963 I was earning about $300 a month clear and when I retired in 1999 I was earning about $3000 a month clear. Work loads were 40 hours a week in 1963, about the min 70s we graduated to a 35 hour work week.....................if any of this is actually any of your business. :lol:
No, but they can be enlightening. :smile:
I'm a taxpayer too, so what's your point?
Maybe my memory isn't serving me correctly but I seem to remember you don't put much stock in anecdotal evidence. :lol:
How would a single basic income work across all demographics? If it's possible I think it should be decided by the market place and/or an economist, but definitely NOT a politician.
Are you particular about who someone else chooses to work for? Sort of comes under the heading of "minding your own f*****g business"
(The previous comment wasn't directed at you, Einstein)
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Yeah, that suggestion has it's pros and cons. I'm just wondering if you realize "lazy government employees" are the vast minority, not the majority.
I wonder sometimes how people can justify their generalization. For example, all union
workers are somehow lazy and uncaring. I don't think this is true at all, and hell I have
been both a general manager and a union leader at one time or another.
The fact is today companies are making enough to support increased wages and that
goes for small business too.
In the last ten years these companies received the benefit of lower wages in BC for example.
They didn't plan for a future where labour costs would rise. They received 2 billion in the
corporate tax reduction handed out when Campbell came to power. The HST is a huge and
I mean huge transfer of taxation from business to ordinary citizens. There are often municipal
and Federal tax breaks too, for business and still they cry hard times. If they are having a hard
time what about their employees who have not had raises in some sectors for almost a decade?
There is no such thing as a free market concept and almost everyone knows it.
Take a look around, there are social programs for all including business people, there are huge
tax breaks to stimulate and encourage businesses and they are ongoing and have been for over
half a century. These things balance out over time and this is a good thing. I for one do not want
to see pure free enterprise dictated solely by the market place, we had that up until 2008 and
the greedy corporate bast****s misused their advantage and we are paying for that to this day.
In contrast we have seen other countries go to a pure socialist model and over power the
spirit of the individual, they set the advancement of their society back nearly a century so we
know that pure capitalism and or pure socialism does not work. Therefore the marketplace,
government and consumer groups are part of the legal avenues and conscience of ethical
business practices and that is fine with me. All this does seem to mentioned when discussing
the value of a Big Mac because people don't get it, well paid jobs are the backbone of a society
that can afford to participate and grow within the community. This means people can afford to
pay more for services, and get the education required to come forward with the new ideas that
will benefit us all in the future. Paying $15.00 for a meal is no big deal, and never has been.
People should get real wages and be valued for the work they do. In addition people in full service
eateries should be paid real wages where tips are not required.
workers are somehow lazy and uncaring. I don't think this is true at all, and hell I have
been both a general manager and a union leader at one time or another.
The fact is today companies are making enough to support increased wages and that
goes for small business too.
In the last ten years these companies received the benefit of lower wages in BC for example.
They didn't plan for a future where labour costs would rise. They received 2 billion in the
corporate tax reduction handed out when Campbell came to power. The HST is a huge and
I mean huge transfer of taxation from business to ordinary citizens. There are often municipal
and Federal tax breaks too, for business and still they cry hard times. If they are having a hard
time what about their employees who have not had raises in some sectors for almost a decade?
There is no such thing as a free market concept and almost everyone knows it.
Take a look around, there are social programs for all including business people, there are huge
tax breaks to stimulate and encourage businesses and they are ongoing and have been for over
half a century. These things balance out over time and this is a good thing. I for one do not want
to see pure free enterprise dictated solely by the market place, we had that up until 2008 and
the greedy corporate bast****s misused their advantage and we are paying for that to this day.
In contrast we have seen other countries go to a pure socialist model and over power the
spirit of the individual, they set the advancement of their society back nearly a century so we
know that pure capitalism and or pure socialism does not work. Therefore the marketplace,
government and consumer groups are part of the legal avenues and conscience of ethical
business practices and that is fine with me. All this does seem to mentioned when discussing
the value of a Big Mac because people don't get it, well paid jobs are the backbone of a society
that can afford to participate and grow within the community. This means people can afford to
pay more for services, and get the education required to come forward with the new ideas that
will benefit us all in the future. Paying $15.00 for a meal is no big deal, and never has been.
People should get real wages and be valued for the work they do. In addition people in full service
eateries should be paid real wages where tips are not required.
As soon as you start denigrating someone whose opinion doesn't coincide with yours you lose all credibility. I live in British Columbia. What do you know about my work ethics, Einstein? What poor took a wage freeze for ten years? I know a lot of poor people who got a raise after one year based on dedication and hard work for the employer. You should get out of your glass castle, Einstein and see what people in the real world do.
The minumum wage was frozen for a decade....so all people entering the work force at that pay were getting less.....not hard to understand.
Did your wage freeze for a decade? How about entry level employees?
Common knowledge says union employees are lazy and over paid.
Big fat pensions most people don't get on the dime of the tax payer.
Private sector rules.
Lower overhead how?
They pay $4 an hour more for labour.
Commercial and residential land is selling for more here than BC.
We have the same amount of politicians.
City taxes are higher here.
The beef all comes from the same sources by ship from New Zealand and Australia. It rolls past you on the rail days before it gets here.
So tell me why is a Big Mac cheaper is SK?
You were talking about broad generalizations earlier, right?
The companies have no control over gvt policy. The wages situation was what it was, certainly not something to be considered a benefit.
.. And herein lies the problem. Contrary to your earlier assertion that companies are making more than enough, the reality is the fiscal health of industries in BC cover the entire spectrum from healthy to fiscally unhealthy... No one in business envisions that the gvt will mandate a 25% increase in wages.
How would a pensioner fare if the gvt mandated that the cost for utilities and food jumped by 25%? This situation isn't exactly very different.
... And?
Do you believe that Campbell ran around handing out cheques to small business'?.. That move was designed to stimulate the activity in the private sector which would translate into more people working.
The companies collect and remit those taxes for the various levels of gvt. They pay these taxes on their purchases made to service the local populations. The HST conversion will have the same impact on business as it does the public at large.
Here's the 411 on that for ya. Business will respond via either increasing their prices to consumers and/or by tightening their belts by downsizing... These people are risking their own capital to make a return that is greater than what the bank offers or what they can make being an employee for someone else.
Further, I love to see the stats on the # of employees that remain in a minimum wage job for 10 years... They have waaayyy bigger problems than what the mandated minimum wage is.
Grow up already.. Petros already provided an excellent example of how the free market provides a better wage for employees in a jurisdiction that represents a much lower cost of living (ie Mc's paying $12/hr in Sask). They didn't need the gvt to mandate the move, the market forced their hand.
.. And the gvt hammers those businesses via corp taxes and later when the business owner pays themselves via personal income taxes. The private sector is what makes any economy work.
Spare me the rhetoric.... Those "greedy corporate bast****s" serviced the demands of the "greedy private individuals" that wanted to buy a house that was far beyond their means, a sports car, 52" flat screen, big vacation and all of the other trappings that they voluntarily purchased on credit.
The meltdown in 2008 needed more than just "greedy corporate bast***s", there was the other side equation too.