Are you all ready to start paying about $15 for a Big Mac?

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Slightly off topic are we?

Not at all. You said...

I guess our philosophies are a little different in this regard, Karrie, although I do agree with you in one aspect and that would be where child labour is being taken advantage of. Otherwise I think Gov't and Business should be separate (I wouldn't expect business to start enacting legislation).

Do you or do you not believe that government should be involved in labour standards?
 

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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
I guess our philosophies are a little different in this regard, Karrie, although I do agree with you in one aspect and that would be where child labour is being taken advantage of. Otherwise I think Gov't and Business should be separate (I wouldn't expect business to start enacting legislation).


If you are worried about the cost of a burger get beef industry lobbyists to bitch about it for you as if that will ever happen but if they need cheap, low carbohydrate fermented feed for their burgers they get funding and tax credits. You can thank them for your gasoline going up because grain is skyrocketing and it is mandated we make fermented feed for cheap food for beef and burn the alcohol by-product s a "green" feel good gasoline additive.

Still think corporations don't control the govt and make laws in their favour?

Happy motoring!
 

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Not at all. You said...



Do you or do you not believe that government should be involved in labour standards?

Governments should be involved in enacting legislation and have role in playing "watchdog" in certain situations.

To expand a little on the last, I personally don't believe that Governments should be involved in very much, but then I wouldn't think it's my business to tell that to a guy who votes "Labour".
 

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THAT is a good question. To start with I'm against a "Carte Blanche" minimum wage and secondly I don't think it's a matter that politicians should be sticking their nose into. I don't believe a single minimum wage fits all situations. How are the likes of Christy Clark helping J.L.M. the Widget maker's employees when there is no demand for widgets or her preset minimum wage makes construction too expensive to attract custumers. If you want to set minimum wage to cover the expenses of providing for home and family, $8 an hour definitely won't do, nor will $12 an hour and I'm guessing even at $16 would be a struggle. I'm sure not one for making light of the problem, to the contrary I think the problem has gotten out of control on many fronts. Where to begin? Every consumer sitting down and making a list of what's essential, what's necessary, what's desired and what is frivious and priortising a list accordingly? But then that creates one more problem. Big Mac, A&W, Wendy and Burger King would close their doors within a week. On the positive side I see most employers as being fair minded people, if a little misguided. I can only speak for myself and putting myself into the unenviable position of working at Minimum wage for Big Mac, I would start by concentrating on improving service and looking at innovative ways of helping him improve his business, but who knows if that would work. Maybe it's a good time to get advice from Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. I'd trust either one of those two over Christy Clark. I don't know if anyone else has noticed that Christy is embarking in the footsteps of Gordon Campbell- five minutes after he was made premier he cut our Provincial income tax by 25% and everyone was ecstatic. "Fool me once- shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". LOL

So the poor schmuck on the street, or in his apartmnt or whatever, who is down and out, and can only
find a minimum wage job, the real situation of many in our country, who are living at the bottom
of the wage scale, and probably working two jobs to make ends meet, you didn't say what you would
'for' them at all.

There are many people who are good workers, do teir jobs and go home, they don't have to help the
owners make their businesses better, they just need to do their 8 hrs (nope probably only about 4
hours,) because the employer makes sure they don't work them enough hours where they would have to
give them any benefits, that would be out of the question, so they hire more workers, and work them
less hours, to escape that responsibility.

How would you help those people, if government does 'not'.

Do you feel that if they don't 'shine' in the eyes of their bosses, and go above and beyond the
normal, they don't deserve a minimum wage status, only what the employer 'feels' like paying them?

Boy, would the employers love to go back to those days.
 

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So the poor schmuck on the street, or in his apartmnt or whatever, who is down and out, and can only
find a minimum wage job, the real situation of many in our country, who are living at the bottom
of the wage scale, and probably working two jobs to make ends meet, you didn't say what you would
'for' them at all.

There are many people who are good workers, do teir jobs and go home, they don't have to help the
owners make their businesses better, they just need to do their 8 hrs (nope probably only about 4
hours,) because the employer makes sure they don't work them enough hours where they would have to
give them any benefits, that would be out of the question, so they hire more workers, and work them
less hours, to escape that responsibility.

How would you help those people, if government does 'not'.

Do you feel that if they don't 'shine' in the eyes of their bosses, and go above and beyond the
normal, they don't deserve a minimum wage status, only what the employer 'feels' like paying them?

Boy, would the employers love to go back to those days.

I'm not sure what will work, I'm only sure what won't. To the credit of Gov'ts in Canada I think there are some training and education programs available. I'm just skeptical that Christy Clark was able to come up with the magic bullet in about 2 days.
 

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How would a single basic income work across all demographics? If it's possible I think it should be decided by the market place and/or an economist, but definitely NOT a politician.

It wouldn't someone living in Nevada for example could live on less than someone in New York, Alaska or Hawaii. States not the federal government can regulate what ever minimum wage they want. The Federal Government just has a guideline and it is low.

File:USMinimumWage.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who said anything about depriving them of the dream (and that's what it is)?

I have made a lot of money, yet don't whine about taxes being taken from me to fund schools, infastructure and health care.

Honestly, I don't pay enough.

No one is stopping you from doing what Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do.
 

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Here is a prime example of how greedy business owners are screwing the workers.

On the front page of our local paper some stupid bitch was complaining about the new minimum wage because it meant she would have to give her employee of 7 years a raise from the $10/hr she was paying them so they wouldn't complain about getting the same as a new hire.
 

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Governments should be involved in enacting legislation and have role in playing "watchdog" in certain situations.

To expand a little on the last, I personally don't believe that Governments should be involved in very much, but then I wouldn't think it's my business to tell that to a guy who votes "Labour".

I'll ask again as you seem to want to side step the issue. Do you or do you not believe that government should be involved in labour standards?
 

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I'm not sure what will work, I'm only sure what won't. To the credit of Gov'ts in Canada I think there are some training and education programs available. I'm just skeptical that Christy Clark was able to come up with the magic bullet in about 2 days.

wow, that christie clark move has really got you ticked, I can go along with that, it is irritating
when they make political decisions with ulterior motives, but it is done all the time in politics,
with every shallow move they make, I pity them all the more.
 

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Actually, come to think of it...

When I was a teen I could work for minimum wage of $2.00 per hour.

Burgers cost $0.35.

That means I could buy almost six burgers for an hour of work, which means $15 burgers are no problem if minimum wage is $90 per hour.

Since globalization our rates got driven down to the point of making it moot the reason our ancestors ran away to make a better life.
 

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Actually, come to think of it...

When I was a teen I could work for minimum wage of $2.00 per hour.

Burgers cost $0.35.

That means I could buy almost six burgers for an hour of work, which means $15 burgers are no problem if minimum wage is $90 per hour.

Since globalization our rates got driven down to the point of making it moot the reason our ancestors ran away to make a better life.

You're getting the picture, exactly the point I was trying to make after watching the charade for 50 years and there's thousands of landlords across the province just itching to jack the rents up. :smile:

wow, that christie clark move has really got you ticked, I can go along with that, it is irritating
when they make political decisions with ulterior motives, but it is done all the time in politics,
with every shallow move they make, I pity them all the more.

That is precisely the reason I have very little use for politicians of any stripe. Their first concern is their own well being. I remember how thrilled we all were when Gordon Campbell reduced provincial taxes (a good thing by itself) but his purpose had more to do with his own political well being. Christy has done exactly the same thing. Anyway it's all interesting stuff, Talloola as long as we don't let it get us down.
 

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You're getting the picture, exactly the point I was trying to make after watching the charade for 50 years and there's thousands of landlords across the province just itching to jack the rents up. :smile:



That is precisely the reason I have very little use for politicians of any stripe. Their first concern is their own well being. I remember how thrilled we all were when Gordon Campbell reduced provincial taxes (a good thing by itself) but his purpose had more to do with his own political well being. Christy has done exactly the same thing. Anyway it's all interesting stuff, Talloola as long as we don't let it get us down.
Are you just finally starting to understand how capitalism and the market economy works? Rents won't go up. Not at all. Those getting higher wages will be able to afford to buy homes and rents will drop and housing market will be stimulated.

You don't want your property value to catch up with the rest of the country do you? Good forbid your civic taxes will go up.

Vancouver will turn into another Montreal if wages don't rise.
 

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Are you just finally starting to understand how capitalism and the market economy works? Rents won't go up. Not at all. Those getting higher wages will be able to afford to buy homes and rents will drop and housing market will be stimulated.

You don't want your property value to catch up with the rest of the country do you? Good forbid your civic taxes will go up.

Vancouver will turn into another Montreal if wages don't rise.

That's great news- maybe you can enlighten us as to which banks, mortgage companies will approve mortgages to people earning $10.25 an hour.
 

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One that loans to married couples who combined are making $20.50 an hr.

Let's do the math. Total gross annual income= $41,000 which translates into approx. $12, 300 available for mortgage payments, property taxes. With low income purchasers lending outfits are looking for 20% equity. Let's say they can find a house for $250,000 (not anywhere around the Okanagan) and they can get a mortgage at 5% interest. So before they can get anywhere they need $50,000 down and they are highly unlikely to borrow that at 5%. So there goes a good chunk of their $12,000 available for the mortgage. So now they are left with $200,000 plus possibly another $5000 - $10,000 in associated expenses (mandatory life insurance would be a big one) So anyway there's $10,000 annually to come up with. If I was in that position I wouldn't touch it will a 10' pole. All it would take to derail the whole thing would be mortgage rates going up or one wage earner to be sick for an extended period.

No banks or mortgage companies that I am aware of down here.[/QUOTE

Up here either, as a matter of fact local lenders up here have learned a huge lesson from the Sub Primes. :lol:
 

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Let's do the math. Total gross annual income= $41,000 which translates into approx. $12, 300 available for mortgage payments, property taxes. With low income purchasers lending outfits are looking for 20% equity. Let's say they can find a house for $250,000 (not anywhere around the Okanagan) and they can get a mortgage at 5% interest. So before they can get anywhere they need $50,000 down and they are highly unlikely to borrow that at 5%. So there goes a good chunk of their $12,000 available for the mortgage. So now they are left with $200,000 plus possibly another $5000 - $10,000 in associated expenses (mandatory life insurance would be a big one) So anyway there's $10,000 annually to come up with. If I was in that position I wouldn't touch it will a 10' pole. All it would take to derail the whole thing would be mortgage rates going up or one wage earner to be sick for an extended period.
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We aren't broke.

$20.50 per hour for a couple is broke (keep in mind it is gross), then of course along come taxes, cost of living increases not to mention children. Didn't say you were broke. But these people will be struggling and always playing catch up.