Family Slaughtered By Palestinians

[petros]

Yup fine and dandy they are producing and trading like any other state does because they have a right to.

What would the GDP of Gaza and the West Bank be without the occupying nation hindering production, stealing orchards and civil advancement?

Any retaliation on that occupying force or any fool who decides to live illegally in that region is no way terrorism or is it an act of violence of international concern.

 

[Just the Facts]

No, of course not.

Is there a reason that the killer has been labelled a terrorist? Does anyone know the motive behind the killing? Not that it makes a difference to being dead, but it makes a difference to the sensationalism of the media coverage.

Five people, including a months old baby, killed in their beds, is a pretty good indication it wasn't done by a "the" killer. Likely at least two or more. I haven't heard of anything being stolen. I don't think a lone nutbar would be as efficient as these killings apparently were, and consistent to that, I did read that there are suspects who were trained by the U.S.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't terrorism supposed to leave terrified victims in the terrorist's wake? I suppose a nut with a knife or a plain and simple robbery gone bad wouldn't make sensational enough news in light of current world events....

Yes robberies are often foiled by sleeping 3 month olds.

 

[CDNBear]

Yup fine and dandy they are producing and trading like any other state does because they have a right to.

I'll take that as you can't allocate some form of evidence that would warrant your last post.

Other then you just can't accept the lies you've believed for so long.

What would the GDP of Gaza and the West Bank be without the occupying nation hindering production, stealing orchards and civil advancement?

Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Any retaliation on that occupying force or any fool who decides to live illegally in that region is no way terrorism or is it an act of violence of international concern.

In no way germane to the conversation you are having with me.

So I ask again...

Why is accepting the fact that Gaza is obviously producing enough food to help the poor malnourished children, to evil a fact to admit?

 

[Just the Facts]

I doubt Palestinians are celebrating. Israel has shut down humanitarian aid shipments to Gaza.

No worries. Iran is Johnny-on-the-spot stepping up to the aid for starving Gazans plate:


Israel Seizes Gaza-Bound Ship of Iranian Weapons

 

[DaSleeper]

It's hard to follow a conversation when people keep moving the objective;-)

 

[CDNBear]

No worries. Iran is Johnny-on-the-spot stepping up to the aid for starving Gazans plate:


Israel Seizes Gaza-Bound Ship of Iranian Weapons

Obviously an Israeli Joo controlled news source, not to be believed.

It's hard to follow a conversation when people keep moving the objective;-)

That way they never have to admit their errors.

Kind of like Cannuck and Joey do.

 

[petros]

They aren't allowed to trade? Where did you get that silly idea? Colpy?

Of course it's relevant. Would it be an amazing feat if they could feed themselves and trade while not under occupation? The fact you say they are doing well enough to trade surpluses for necessities under occupation is an admission of your views of how harsh that occupation must be and how above average their determination to exist must be.

 

[Just the Facts]

Hand to hand attack in the middle of the night is terrorism? Smacks of just plain old psychopathy to me, not an ideological attack. It happens all the time throughout assorted human countries, for no reason other than to kill people. The US has more than half a dozen tv shows devoted to the phenomena.

Hand to hand with a sleeping 3 month old? Seriously?

You wanna compare this to untold iterations of CSI and L&O:


Recent Examples of PA Incitement

Praising numerous attacks by terrorists, the PA government has made special efforts to encourage the murder of Israelis – and has not shied away from praising those who kill children, despite protestations to the contrary.

On the day before the brutal slaying of the Fogel family, Sabri Saidam, adviser to Abbas and under-secretary of the Fatah Revolutionary Council, told PA Arabs in a speech that “the weapons must be turned towards the main enemy [Israel] and that internal differences of opinion must be set aside.” Saidam denounced the low monthly stipends to families of terrorists who murder Israelis. He also called for the naming of another public square in honor of Dalal Mughrabi, the bloodthirsty terrorist who led the 1978 Coastal Road massacre that left dozens of Israelis dead, including 13 children.

On March 6, the Al Hayat Al Jadida newspaper advertised the naming of a “youth” tournament for 19 year olds honoring the memory of "shahida" (Martyr) Wafa Idris – the first female PA Arab suicide bomber. As a Red Crescent ambulance volunteer, she was able to bypass Israeli security and enter Jerusalem, where she murdered one person and wounded more than 150 others in January 2002.

One week prior to the brutal attack on the Fogel family, the Fatah faction led by Abbas held a ceremony at the Deheisheh neighborhood of Bethlehem, honoring those of its homegrown terrorists who were killed during the PA's terrorist campaign against Israel in the years 2002-2005. Those “honored” included suicide bomber Muhammad Daraghmeh, who murdered nine Israelis in Jerusalem, as well as Saed Saud Abu Amar, Jad Mahmoud Atallah, Issa Zakri Faraj and Ayyat Al-Akhras – who at age 17 was the youngest female suicide bomber, having murdered two Israelis in her suicide bombing of March 2002.

On February 9, the official PA TV station broadcast a clip from a campaign entitled “Women as Role Models” during which Dalal Mughrabi was extolled as a prime example. Last summer several children's camps were named in her memory.

Two months prior to the Fogel murder, PA Chairman and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas awarded $2,000 to the family of a terrorist who attacked and attempted to murder IDF soldiers. Khaldoun Najib Samoudy raced towards IDF soldiers at the Hamra checkpoint in December 2010, carrying two pipe bombs and screaming “Allahu Akbar!” (G-d is Great). His act was lauded in the January 25 edition of the Fatah-backed PA newspaper, Al Hayat Al Jadida, which covered an award ceremony in which Abbas bestowed a “presidential grant” of $2,000 on the relatives of the “Shahid” (martyr) in the village of Al-Yamoun. The article, in Arabic, was translated by media watchdog the Palestinian Media Watch (PMW).

On January 2, the Al Hayat Al Jadida newspaper reported a speech by Azzam Al-Ahmed, a member of the Fatah Central Committee, which expressed the PA government's support for terrorism as a means of “resistance." During a gathering on the 46th anniversary of the faction's founding, Al-Ahmed was quoted as saying, “We emphasize today the aims for which the Fatah movement was established,” adding Fatah is a mass movement which believes in popular revolution and has wrested its right to use all means of resistance in order to achieve its aim.

On October 26, 2010, PA TV broadcast a documentary about the work of PA medical teams that included an entirely fictitious scene in which an Israeli soldier shoots a PA Arab in the head.

On June 21, 2010, a children's program was broadcast on the official PA TV channel which taught that “The Jews are our enemies,” and that “Israeli soldiers are wild animals.”

On December 27, 2009, official PA TV reported that Tayib Abd A-Rahim, a representative of Abbas, presented condolences on behalf of the PA chairman to the families of three terrorists killed by IDF soldiers after murdering Rabbi Meir Avshalom Chai. A-Rahim said on Abbas's behalf, that “without doubt, the Occupation authorities perpetrated a wild and barbaric assassination, maliciously and in cold blood.”

In PA schools, the “History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century” is a 12th grade textbook used the Palestinian Authority to teach about World War II. The textbook includes material on Nazi ideology – but does not mention the Holocaust at all.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142857

 

[CDNBear]

They aren't allowed to trade?

I never said they weren't. I read PalTrade. The sole Palestinian source for trade data.

Of course it's relevant. Would it be an amazing feat if they could feed themselves and trade while not under occupation?

Gaza isn't occupied.

The fact you say they are doing well enough to trade surpluses for necessities under occupation is an admission of your views of how harsh that occupation must be and how above average their determination to exist must be.

No it isn't. That's what you've conjured up in your head, so you don't have to admit that Gaza is exporting food, while it and its biased supporters, like yourself, ignore that and instead condemn Israel for the suffering of malnourished children there.

 

[petros]

No worries. Iran is Johnny-on-the-spot stepping up to the aid for starving Gazans plate:


Israel Seizes Gaza-Bound Ship of Iranian Weapons

Would Palestine or Iran stop US ships full of arms?


Why did the US have to use covert measures to avoid the press that bunker bombs were given to Israel? Would it have pissed off too many Americans or the UN nations who oppose the arming of Israel with freebies?

 

[DaSleeper]

It's hard to follow a conversation when people keep moving the objective;-)

That way they never have to admit their errors.

Kind of like Cannuck and Joey do.

I kinda wish they had an award like this in Canada....we have a few contenders right here
Dhimwit Award

 

[petros]

Gaza and West Bank are both Palestine. That would be like hypothetically saying Canada isn't occupied because the Chinamen only invaded the Yukon.

I never said they weren't. I read PalTrade. The sole Palestinian source for trade data.

Gaza isn't occupied.


No it isn't. That's what you've conjured up in your head, so you don't have to admit that Gaza is exporting food, while it and its biased supporters, like yourself, ignore that and instead condemn Israel for the suffering of malnourished children there.

You are the one amazed they can export not me. There are malnutrition kids in Canada living in the wealthiest of neighbourhoods so I'm not surprised to see malnutrition globally.

Why is it so amazing they can export? Care to explain?

 

[CDNBear]

Gaza and West Bank are both Palestine. That would be like hypothetically saying Canada isn't occupied because the Chinamen only invaded the Yukon.

You can separate them all you want. But EAO was focused on Gaza. EAO's article, pertains to Gaza. The comment you quoted me on, was about Gaza.

If you want to move the goal posts, I can follow along, because I have WHO reports about a troubling rise in youth obesity, in the West Bank.

 

[Just the Facts]

What would the GDP of Gaza and the West Bank be without the constant incitements to war with it's Jewish neighbor?

fify

Any retaliation on that occupying force or any fool who decides to live illegally in that region is no way terrorism or is it an act of violence of international concern.

EAO would take issue with that, I'm sure. Killing a family of five in their home while they sleep would easily fit the definition of war crime.

I see you agree with Hamas:

Hamas claims these murders were justifiable because Israelis live in the West Bank, even though there can be no justification for such a heinous crime. If Palestinian terrorists or the Palestinian governments Hamas and the Palestinian Authority don`t like where Israelis live, they should go back to the negotiating table and make joint decisions with Israel about future borders. Their anger about Israeli settlements does not give them a license to condone baby-killing.
https://www.standwithus.com/mail/?eid=11

 

[petros]

What would the GDP of Gaza and the West Bank be without the constant incitements to war with it's Jewish neighbor?

Somebody occupying your country isn't a ****ing neighbour.
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[CDNBear]

You are the one amazed they can export not me.

Do I have to post the definition of hyperbole?

There are malnutrited kids in Canada living in the waelthiest of neighbourhoods so I'm not surprised to see malnutrition globally.

And is that all the fault of the Israeli's?

Why is it so amazing they can export? Care to explain?

Because Israel is starving the Gazans to death. Causing wide spread malnutrition and disease.

According to EAO.

My point isn't so much that it's amazing, just inconsistent with the supposed facts, from EAO, as to who is at fault.

How is it Israels fault that there is malnutrition in Gaza, if Gaza is exporting food?

The problem is in Gaza, with the priorities of Gazans and and whomever is wrong the country. Not israel.

 

[petros]

Gazan's aren't Palestinian? Are you trying to convey a message they are two difderent entities? Gaza has food thanks to the West Bank. As for disease did Gazans repair their sewage and potable water supply after Cast Lead?

 

[gerryh]

Ya but.....look at that over there.

 

[CDNBear]

Gazan's aren't Palestinian? Are you trying to convey a message they are two difderent entities?

Nope. Just separating the two like EAO does.

Why are you deliberately trying to change the discussion?

Lost the argument have you?

Can't figure out how to get around that big old elephant in the room, Gaza exports food while Gazans are starving and malnourished?

Gaza has food thanks to the West Bank.

Gaza exports food, thanx to Gaza. But thanx for recognizing how semi Israeli friendly West Bank is also prospering. Despite what the anti Joo folk like to portray.

As for disease did Gazans repair their sewage and potable water supply after Cast Lead?

Don't know, not germane to the topic of exporting food, while disease related to malnutrition is being blamed on Israel.

Ya but.....look at that over there.

To true dude!

 

[ironsides]

PMRS: “52% of Gaza Children Suffer From Malnutrition”

Wednesday June 30, 2010 03:44

by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC News

A study conducted by the Palestinian Medical Relief Society (PMRS) revealed that 52% of the children in Gaza suffer from anaemia, and severe deficiency in phosphor, calcium and zinc, while a significant number of children suffer from infections in their respiratory systems.
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The statement came during a ceremony marking the end of the first phase of a project meant to evaluate the psychological conditions of children in the Gaza Strip. The project is conducted with the cooperation of a humanitarian society in Italy.

The study revealed that the sharp increase of unemployment in the Gaza Strip led to an increase in the number of children who had to do different types of work in order to help their families.

It also stated that the ongoing Israeli invasions, bombardment and attacks, especially in border areas, has a direct impact on the health and psychological conditions of Gazan children.

Adnan al-Waheedy, head of the PMRS, stated that this project is meant to prevent and stop the deterioration of health and psychological conditions of the children in Gaza living in poverty, under the ongoing Israeli siege and repeated attacks by the Israeli military.

Al-Waheedy added that this project helped nearly 4,000 children and 6,000 families, as the children were given vitamins, iron and other medications needed to treat malnutrition and anaemia.



PMRS: “52% of Gaza Children Suffer From Malnutrition” - International Middle East Media Center

Look at the date your quoting from, since then the blockade has eased quite a bit. Only thing they are not getting now is stuff you can convert to weapons.