Neocons Blunder In Lybia

[CDNBear]

I sent my troops into Labia and beyond. Go boys go!

 

[Avro]

I'll ignore the obtuse comment, because it hardly seems worth diverting this over. I'm not disputing that other parties have cut spending. What I am disputing is that the military is far more effective operationally under the present federal leadership. (Although there is still plenty of room for improvement)

Yet you laid it at the feet of the Liberals in your first comment.

I did not deny Mulroney wage freeze and cancellation of the white paper and purchase of new subs.

Read last comment.

But if we are are to commit soldiers to places like Aghanistan, the FY, Rwanda, or any other special duty area we should be prepared to equip them to do their job. Otherwise don't commit them. Sending them to Afghanistan and not providing proper support is less than obtuse, it's wrong. No matter what party you are in.

Like I said, it ws wrong to send them in the first place, never mind funding. We have our own to take care of.

Avro are you from Ontario?

Yes.

I think it was Liberal John Manley who said that we can nor run for the bathroom every time its our turn to pay for our Nato commitments. Not word for word but close enough.

Manley is a douche.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yes

Where did you stand on Mike Harris' common sense revolution?

 

[Avro]

Where did you stand on Mike Harris' common sense revolution?

Pitting class against class isn't my thintg so I didn't subscribe to it.

Why?

 

[earth_as_one]

Where did you stand on Mike Harris' common sense revolution?

I hate the 407 toll highway.

The number of beggars increased 10 fold when Harris de-institutionalized thousands of people with mental problems.

Overall it was cruel and heartless. However I ended up paying less taxes... But my chances of getting mugged for pocket change increased.

I'd rather pay more taxes

 

[Avro]

I'd rather pay more taxes

Same here.

I paid 153,000 in tax last year, this year I will pay more.

Plenty left over for myself.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Pitting class against class isn't my thintg so I didn't subscribe to it.

Why?

Well I was just wondering if there was a contrast in your thinking or your politics. You stated that Martin had to make some tough decisions in order to balance the books and get our economy going. Harris was faced with a similar dilema having watched transfer payments dry up and coming in after an NDP government that had bankrupted the Province.

Why does Martin get a pass for his tough choices, but Harris was a devil pitting one class against another?

Seems to me that a lot of Liberal supporters are very selective in their memory.

 

[Avro]

Well I was just wondering if there was a contrast in your thinking or your politics. You stated that Martin had to make some tough decisions in order to balance the books and get our economy going. Harris was faced with a similar dilema having watched transfer payments dry up and coming in after an NDP government that had bankrupted the Province.

Why does Martin get a pass for his tough choices, but Harris was a devil pitting one class against another?

Seems to me that a lot of Liberal supporters are very selective in their memory.

Seems to me so were a lot of cons.....decade of surpluses you still avoid.

Except Harris never really produced a surplus in an economy that was already recovering before he took over.

He was too obsessed with giving guys like me a tax cut while screwing the poor.

Martin never gave me a tax cut.....Gladly.

Not sure what I pay this year but I will suspect it will be close to 185 grand.....won't see a complaint from me.

I have three homes....poor me.

 

[JLM]

Well I was just wondering if there was a contrast in your thinking or your politics. You stated that Martin had to make some tough decisions in order to balance the books and get our economy going. Harris was faced with a similar dilema having watched transfer payments dry up and coming in after an NDP government that had bankrupted the Province.

Why does Martin get a pass for his tough choices, but Harris was a devil pitting one class against another?

Seems to me that a lot of Liberal supporters are very selective in their memory.

I used to think Martin was a hero for bringing down the debt until I found out he just took the payments from the provinces- talking about robbing Peter to pay Paul (sorry for the pun) :lol:

 

[Avro]

I used to think Martin was a hero for bringing down the debt until I found out he just took the payments from the provinces- talking about robbing Peter to pay Paul (sorry for the pun) :lol:

Martin cut money everywhere, not just transfer payments.

If the provinces couldn't make the cuts that's their problem......but wait....they did.

Harris downloaded costs to the municipalities....then to us.

To bad he couldn't balance the books...to busy giving me a huge tax cut.

 

[JLM]

Martin cut money everywhere, not just transfer payments.

If the provinces couldn't make the cuts that's their problem......but wait....they did.

Harris downloaded costs to the municipalities....then to us.

To bad he couldn't balance the books...to busy giving me a huge tax cut.

And most people would be grateful for that. :smile:

 

[lone wolf]

Well I was just wondering if there was a contrast in your thinking or your politics. You stated that Martin had to make some tough decisions in order to balance the books and get our economy going. Harris was faced with a similar dilema having watched transfer payments dry up and coming in after an NDP government that had bankrupted the Province.

Why does Martin get a pass for his tough choices, but Harris was a devil pitting one class against another?

Seems to me that a lot of Liberal supporters are very selective in their memory.

'fraid you got that a bit wrong. It was Rae who made promises based on transfer payments that Martin cut - and it was Harris that dumped on municipalities. It was also Harris who broke Ontario Hydro into 4 companies and sold it off to the for profit sector - but it's McGuinty catching Hell for the inevitable price gouges. Guess it all depends on how one swills the propaganda....

 

[Avro]

And most people would be grateful for that. :smile:

I have plenty, I'm grateful for that.

But since our infastructure is eroding, our schools are decaying, our debt is growing, our hospitals are under funded and our enviroment is being destroyed I could easily part with more.

Start by eliminating loopholes for my buisness and a flat tax indexed to income.

 

[JLM]

I have plenty, I'm grateful for that.

But since our infastructure is eroding, our schools are decaying, our debt is growing, our hospitals are under funded and our enviroment is being destroyed I could easily part with more.

Start by eliminating loopholes for my buisness and a flat tax indexed to income.

If I was you I would kill two birds with one stone- first donate to things like hospitals and schools and then claim the donation for a tax deduction, that would clear your conscience and put money back in your pocket. :smile:

 

[Avro]

If I was you I would kill two birds with one stone- first donate to things like hospitals and schools and then claim the donation for a tax deduction, that would clear your conscience and put money back in your pocket. :smile:

I donate 10% of my income every year plus the return on that donation.

Still would like loop holes closed and a indexed flat tax.

 

[Just the Facts]

I don't pray, but if I did, Jean would be in my prayers just for this. NOT being an ass licker. NOT being sucked in. Good man Jean.

Imagine all the Cannuck body bags coming back from Iraq.

Imagine the Con sudden anti-war-anything BS which would have been spread far and wide. Even farther and wider than it is today.

Stevo, we've got your measure as a man, and, as a man you make a great amoeba. fukk you

Actually, Chretien didn't keep us out of Iraq, the UN kept us out of Iraq. All Chretien did was pass the buck by deferring to the UN.

 

[Avro]

Actually, Chretien didn't keep us out of Iraq, the UN kept us out of Iraq. All Chretien did was pass the buck by deferring to the UN.

You mean he obeyed the law.

 

[JLM]

Some people sure get emotional about war. Wars until now have been a fact of life and I don't see it changing anytime soon. All the people involved in war know what the possibilities are going in- it's not like anyone is being conscripted these days (at least in Canada). The cause of war in the vast number of cases is greed and 99% of the people in the world are greedy, so it's a little hypocritical to be crying the blues. There are a lot of other things that statistically are just as deadly as war.

 

[Just the Facts]

You mean he obeyed the law.

Maybe so, but he's often made to sound like he took some kind of heroic stand against going into Iraq (like in this thread). He did no such thing. Just setting the record straight.

 

[Avro]

Statistically, almost the dumbest thing you have ever said.

Maybe so, but he's often made to sound like he took some kind of heroic stand against going into Iraq (like in this thread). He did no such thing. Just setting the record straight.

He wasn't a lap dog the whims of the US war machine and obeyed the law.

Saved Canadian lives and our tax dollars.

Sounds heroic to me.

Unfortunatey he did the opposite in Afghanistan....so he gets a "x" for that.

Batting .500 isn't that bad.