American neo-con agenda

Bar Sinister

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In a nutshell this is American neo-conservationism:

* a binary world world view, where the right is good and the left is evil
* less taxes, regulation, government and social services
* low tolerance for diplomacy
* readiness to use military force
* emphasis on US unilateral action
* disdain for multilateral organizations
* focus on the Middle East oil and Israel.
* an us versus them mentality".

This think tank developed Bush's neo-con agenda

Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is their manifesto
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Since then, the neo-con agenda has become even more radical with the Tea Party movement.

As a result of neo-cons successfully implementing their agenda, the majority of Americans have less wealth, fewer rights and fewer social services. Normally most people would be upset by this, but neo-con propaganda has convinced a majority of Americans that fewer rights and less wealth for the working class (themselves) is good and anyone who sticks up for their rights is evil.

Its about time people see what's going on. The US used to be a place where the middle class prospered. The neo-con agenda has trashed American. Wealth disparity in the US gets worse each year as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Currently the US has the same level of wealth disparity as Russia and Turkey and well on its decline toward becoming like Egypt.

Income inequality in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since the situation is improving in Turkey and getting worse in the US, it won't be long before Turks have a better chance at achieving the "American dream" than Americans. If the neo-cons have their way and this trend continues, Mexico may become the land of opportunity for Americans, and illegal immigration may reverse. Canada may have to build walls to keep desperately poor Americans from illegally entering Canada.

Meanwhile, America's wealthy elite will grow richer and continue to live an opulent lifestyle on their side of the wall in gated communities.

Absolutely correct, but you could add a few more characteristics to your neo-con list,

1. Elimination of any organization that might in any way improve the wages or working conditions of the average citizen; especially unions.
2. Control of mainstream media and using it to spread right wing propaganda or dumbing down the intellectual content until mainstream news media is offers little more than a series of titillating vignettes, almost completely devoid of intellectual content.
3. Creation of an enemy by inventing one if a real enemy does not exist.
4. Control of the political process through the buying of elected officials.
 

Trotz

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Is that why Viagra is such a big seller in the US?

There is enough Texans in Albertastan to make it another state of the union already. Nary a peep from the locals. BC, on the other hand, think they are Canada and the rest are just freeloaders. We will fight tooth and nail any attempt to change our character (at least in the interior. The pussies in Vancouver might let you walk all over them.)

Big talk Clify but will the interior walk the talk?

I haven't ever heard anyone in the interior raise a peep about foreigners purchasing the wine orchards. Give it 20 years and Penticton,Kaleowna and Vernon will resemble communities in the Lowermainland. Your Nakusp will probably become the settlement centre for all the captured pirates from the coast of Somalia. Better starting learning your grunts and clicks and favourite phrases in Arabic.

I suspect the people in the interior; most of whom were Vancouver white flight from 70s / 80s, will just run off to Prince George / White Horse.
 

Cliffy

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Big talk Clify but will the interior walk the talk?

I haven't ever heard anyone in the interior raise a peep about foreigners purchasing the wine orchards. Give it 20 years and Penticton,Kaleowna and Vernon will resemble communities in the Lowermainland. Your Nakusp will probably become the settlement centre for all the captured pirates from the coast of Somalia. Better starting learning your grunts and clicks and favourite phrases in Arabic.

I suspect the people in the interior; most of whom were Vancouver white flight from 70s / 80s, will just run off to Prince George / White Horse.
Not to worry, we have a contingency plan. Some will run, some will fortify. Anybody wanting to invade will have to swim the Columbia. Easy pickin' sitting ducks. The Okanagan is already lost.
 

Trotz

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Who'll have to swim the Columbia? A construction company from Vancouver will just build a bridge across and a White Liberal; claiming he is fleeing "crime" from the 'big cities', will drop the draw bridge.

The rich bankers have the right idea; purchase a segregrated community complete with high walls and security guards armed with guns. One system for the workers and another for the bankers! Equality indeed!
 

BaalsTears

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Yes, well, there are more Chinese in Vancouver than Caucasians. You better where an armoured plated jock.

My wife is Chinese. My older son's wife is Viet/Chinese. I understand completely.:)

Big talk Clify but will the interior walk the talk?

I haven't ever heard anyone in the interior raise a peep about foreigners purchasing the wine orchards. Give it 20 years and Penticton,Kaleowna and Vernon will resemble communities in the Lowermainland. Your Nakusp will probably become the settlement centre for all the captured pirates from the coast of Somalia. Better starting learning your grunts and clicks and favourite phrases in Arabic.

I suspect the people in the interior; most of whom were Vancouver white flight from 70s / 80s, will just run off to Prince George / White Horse.

I'm planning on claiming the Queen Charlotte Islands. It could be a sweet life.
 

Trotz

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My wife is Chinese. My older son's wife is Viet/Chinese. I understand completely.:)



I'm planning on claiming the Queen Charlotte Islands. It could be a sweet life.

What? You have to give the White Liberals a couple of years to build up a community, before you take it from them. Nothing on Queen Charlotte except for a couple of lumberjacks and a guy who goes by the name Jim. Just buy a place somewhere in the interior; it'll be worth a billion soon enough because of speculation on the real estate market.
 

lone wolf

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Wanna play rep war, Baals?

Shows the level of maturity it takes to drool upon ones self. Let me guess ... you're not weathering the recession well so it's everyone of not like thoughts whose at fault?
 
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damngrumpy

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We have tied our backside to America and that is not good for us either. After all America
is slowly sinking into the sunset. We need to be trading with other nations and making every
effort to diversify our dealings. The present round of trade talks at the WTO that have been
going on for ten years, is about to fail for a variety of reasons.
All the profit in the world won't help them as they are in fear of a market collapse that you and I
are expected to pay for.
We are still sliding toward a large bump in the market place. It will effect all of us and some of
these companies won't survive. I suggest that the governments of the day do not help any
companies the export jobs or advanced technology to the third world.
If the American Government can prevent companies from doing business with Cuba, they can
order companies not to export jobs or to provide jobs in this country. It is up to us to determine
their survival for not being patriotic. I am not holding my breathe.
 

Trotz

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The market had collapsed year ago. We have double digit unemployment among youth, the government becomes a bigger employer each day and most of the boomer's job are maintained out of compassion and will probably become shut upon their retirement.

Speculatory practices (housing bubble; similar to the American subprime mortage) and tax breaks for businesses (HST) are concealing the truth in British Columbia.

The Olympics were supposed to boost employment but unemployment has increased since, I don't see many international people outside of Hong Kong coming in to sweep the housing market (with the weather and how cold Vancouverites are; I don't blame them)

and Mr. Campbell has problems at the moment finding Hong Kong buyers for the Olympic Village suites and has since been slashing their prices... add in the fact that international investors might be afraid that the NDP might come back to power in the province; a sign which is reinforced with Christy Clark as Premier; the last time Canadians put in a woman as head of government after a government crisis was Kim Campbell (she took the fill; as will Christy Clark) and she was voted out in no time.

BCNDP's new leader (and future Premier) might be Mike Farnworth; an open homosexual and with an appearance fitting of a old guard Bolshevik... Farnworth; once he is done, will make Glen Clark look amazing.
 

In Between Man

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In a nutshell this is American neo-conservationism:

* a binary world world view, where the right is good and the left is evil
It's not right is good and left is wrong, its right is right and wrong is wrong. The left wing genuinely cares for lower social classes like the homeless, the mentally ill, the working man/woman and so forth. That's a good mentality and they're right for caring about their fellow man. Conservatives care about their own certain issues and they're right on certain things.

* less taxes, regulation, government and social services
That's right, because less taxes means more cash in YOUR pocket! Less regulation and government leaves YOU more free to maneuver and be successful. And less social services, like ones we don't need(heroin "shoot-up" clinics) save money for more ESSENTIAL social services like mental health.

* low tolerance for diplomacy
You know that's not true. Diplomacy is alwayz tried first. What cannot be tolerated is when our adversaries try to bring pre-conditions to the table like "you must acknowledge our right to be a nuclear power".

* readiness to use military force
You better believe it. Since America got dragged into TWO world wars and had to protect freedom for all fellow humans, can you really blame them for feeling like the world police?

* emphasis on US unilateral action * disdain for multilateral organizations
The UN, Nato, WTO, WHO, IMF. They aren't HEAVILY involved with these organizations?

* focus on the Middle East oil and Israel.
Israel is surrounded by its enemies and they're an ally. If the middle east breaks out into war, it could mean another World War - obviously its in America's best interest to closely monitor the middle east.

* an us versus them mentality".
That's the same mentality that you, and everyone else has. Its not restricted to America and its people.
 
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Trotz

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The left cares for the working man? The working man isn't on minimum wage and the working man can't afford a home without a mortage; and increasingly the case, the working man can't find a job and his home is about to be foreclosed because the Hong Kong businessmen; who are speculating homes in our cities, are the same ones who are running the factories with Chinese workers back in China!

Sure, vote for Liberal and NDP and vote for the Lawyers that created the mess we are in at the moment. I think we're better off trusting the economic matters to the economists; such as Stephen Harper, than a pseduo-intellectual like Ignatieff who has spent more years in the United States and probably thinks their economy is terrific as it is.
 

Cannuck

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.....Yes, the Conservatives want to see less Government involvement in peoples private lives.

Yes, Conservatives want to see a lot less taxation, a lot less involvement of the Federal Government in areas that the Constitution of the United States of America gives to the States, much more self reliance and a lot less dependence on government......

Since the size and invasiveness of the government has grown under every conservative government over the last 60+ years all I can say is, You could have fooled me!
 

earth_as_one

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So you are saying that you WANT higher taxes, more government interference in our lives and more rules made by a mindless bureaucracy who's only goal is to protect their cushy jobs?
Not in my country...

Is this your country? By that I mean, does the government look out for your interests or someone else's interests at your expense?

I want higher taxes and lower taxes. The poor pay taxes when they shouldn't. The middle class already pay their fair share. Most wealthy people and corporations don't pay enough.

You've been fed a lie that in order to reduce middle class taxes a little, taxes on the wealthy elite must be reduced a lot. That's BS. Taxes can target wealthy people directly without affecting the middle class. Here are some examples.

Property sales should be taxed by a graduated system. Under some value (say $500k), real estate transactions should not be taxed. As the property value increases beyond that amount taxes increase (1% tax on $500-$600k, 2% on $700-$800k, 3% on $800-900k, 4% on $900-1M, .... and so on until buying homes worth tens of millions of dollars generate significant revenue.

Capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as personal income tax. Income is income. Few poor or middle class people earn capital gains.

The current tax system is graduated, but not graduated enough. The more you make, the more you should pay.

Extra taxes on luxuries: jewelry, yachts, private planes, expensive restaurants, certain types of cars and trucks... any consumer item which isn't a necessity. Basically the wealthy should have to pay a premium to maintain an opulent lifestyle.

Currently the flat HST taxes necessities and luxuries at the same rate, which punishes the poor for the benefit of the wealthy.

I support better funded social services like schools, hospitals, the criminal justice system.... and social infrastructure like roads, water....

I am against fiscal mismanagement and unnecessary bureaucracy. I expect that the people we elect and the civil servants take their fiscal responsibilities seriously. The auditor general should have the authority to audit how all our tax dollars are spent without exception to identify waste and corruption. We need increased accountability and tougher penalties for civil servants and politicians who abuse the public trust.


Absolutely correct, but you could add a few more characteristics to your neo-con list,

1. Elimination of any organization that might in any way improve the wages or working conditions of the average citizen; especially unions.
2. Control of mainstream media and using it to spread right wing propaganda or dumbing down the intellectual content until mainstream news media is offers little more than a series of titillating vignettes, almost completely devoid of intellectual content.
3. Creation of an enemy by inventing one if a real enemy does not exist.
4. Control of the political process through the buying of elected officials.

Yes these are additional characteristics of neo-conservatism. More probably exist.
It's not right is good and left is wrong, its right is right and wrong is wrong. The left wing genuinely cares for lower social classes like the homeless, the mentally ill, the working man/woman and so forth. That's a good mentality and they're right for caring about their fellow man. Conservatives care about their own certain issues and they're right on certain things.

That's right, because less taxes means more cash in YOUR pocket! Less regulation and government leaves YOU more free to maneuver and be successful. And less social services, like ones we don't need(heroin "shoot-up" clinics) save money for more ESSENTIAL social services like mental health...

...off topic rambling...

Drug addicts should be in treatment rather than trying to knife me for pocket change. I also don't see the benefit of locking harmless people in prison at the cost of $100k/year. I'd rather spend a few dollars on methadone to make drug addicts harmless and the rest on a poor kid going through medical school.

More taxes does not necessarily mean more cash in your pocket. If you cut taxes, you cut social services. Then when you need these services, you have to pay more for them as an individual. You'd have more money in your pocket if everyone pays for them collectively through taxes. They we get a group discount and more control.

Examples:

1) Children need education. We pay taxes to fund the public education system. Neo-cons would like to privatize schools and turn them into businesses. Only wealthy children could afford a decent education. The majority of children would get a poorly funded, substandard education. Even if you don't have children, you have a stake in making sure that higher education is merit based (publicly funded), not wealth based (privately funded). If only wealthy people can afford to provide a decent education for their children, then people who should be engineers and doctors will end up flipping burgers for a living while wealthy incompetents perform open heart surgery and build bridges.

2) If you need heart bypass surgery, it shouldn't matter whether you are rich or poor. While cutting taxes might save a middle class person a few hundred dollars, it isn't going to pay the $100,000 medical bill. We'd all be better off if our medical services are paid by our taxes. Think of taxes as a group medical policy. Many Americans get medical insurance, through work, but if they get sick, they loose their jobs and their medical insurance. So when it counts, you as an individual get shafted.

I can cite hundreds of examples where buying services wholesale through tour taxes rather than as an individual puts money in your pocket and results in better services and fairness.

The left cares for the working man? The working man isn't on minimum wage and the working man can't afford a home without a mortage; and increasingly the case, the working man can't find a job and his home is about to be foreclosed because the Hong Kong businessmen; who are speculating homes in our cities, are the same ones who are running the factories with Chinese workers back in China!

Sure, vote for Liberal and NDP and vote for the Lawyers that created the mess we are in at the moment. I think we're better off trusting the economic matters to the economists; such as Stephen Harper, than a pseduo-intellectual like Ignatieff who has spent more years in the United States and probably thinks their economy is terrific as it is.
Stephen Harper represents the interests of wealthy people who fund the conservative party and control the MSM. His top priority is to get re-elected, which means satisfying those people, not average Canadians. His main focus is to make wealthy people wealthier and help powerful people who control the MSM, control the message. He doesn't care about the poor and middle class. As long as the MSM support Harper, they can manipulate the majority of poor and middle class into voting for Harper, even when its against their best interests. The manipulated majority need only have a MSM manufactured perception, which comes from controlling what people know, what they think and how they vote.

By the way, the same people who pull the Conservative's strings also pull the Liberal's strings. If people were only offered one choice, they'd wise up pretty fast. Instead we perceive two choices, which are superficially different, but are fundamentally the same choice.

The best explanation of how Canadians have been scammed over the years:

The Story of Mouseland: As told by Tommy Douglas in 1944
YouTube - The Story of Mouseland: As told by Tommy Douglas in 1944
 
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In Between Man

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earth_as_one, why did you give me a bad post rating? I conceded the fact that the left wing is noble for caring about their fellow man, something that some cons could learn from. I also noticed you took me off your friends list.

You broke my heart. :(
 

BaalsTears

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Since the size and invasiveness of the government has grown under every conservative government over the last 60+ years all I can say is, You could have fooled me!

That is what became so apparent during the GWB administration. That's what demoralized American conservatives, and brought the movement to its knees by the time of Obama's election. Obama had an opportunity to administer the coup de grace if he had been wise enough to use the opportunity. Instead, he overreached and resurrected conservatism. But the conservatism he resurrected is unlike conservatism of the past. It's something new and as unyielding as is Obama. As Obama sowed, so shall he reap.