education costs

Cliffy

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But they are using their smarts to drill for oil to fuel the big military machine
They own their own oil. They use the profits to give their people free education and health care. I don't know why they would need a big military.

In the information age, it would make sense to have smart people around to keep Canada and the US at the leading edge. But no, we make it hard for our youth to be anything but burger flippers. The dumbing down of our population has been a sounding success.
 

JLM

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Sort of. More to the point it is how the enormous sums of tax dollars are spent. As well as high wages there are far too many administrators.

Yep, bureaucracy is the big killer in pretty well all aspects of our lives. :smile:
 

captain morgan

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At least they're allowed to drill. That is pretty smart.

"Don't drill in Alaska... a caribou may have to walk around a drill!"

That's probably only a function of time before that changes.

They own their own oil. They use the profits to give their people free education and health care. I don't know why they would need a big military.


Norway has a number of foreign joint venture players as well. They really don't "own" their oil in a manner that is different than Canada or the US.


In the information age, it would make sense to have smart people around to keep Canada and the US at the leading edge. But no, we make it hard for our youth to be anything but burger flippers. The dumbing down of our population has been a sounding success.

Between the provincial and federal gvts (in Canada), post secondary education is subsidized to the tune of 75+% of the actual cost. I am finding it really difficult to believe the argument that it is too expensive.... Next time you are around a Uni campus, take a drive around the parking lots and pay attention to the # and quality of cars there. Hell, I would bet that you wouldn't find anyone without am expensive cell phone (with expensive data package).

If you think that the cost of an education is too high; the cost of ignorance is a helluva lot more.
 
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ironsides

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Education in the USA is available to anyone that really wants one.

Lots of poor people get an advanced education the old fashioned way, they earn their way through college. Others go into the military, and get the GI Bill (which is very generous compared to what was available after Vietnam). Others choose to take out loans, and go deeply into debt.

I am a classic example of how a poor person can obtain an excellent education in the USA. I was forced to drop out of High School after the 1st semester of my Junior (3rd) year. My mother was a drunk, and she made me go to work so she could buy better booze. I joined the Army at the age of 16, to escape her abuse. (I had gone to 28 different schools, in 5 different states, I had been physically and sexually abused by her and most of my 7 step-fathers, etc.).

I served 10 years on active duty with the US Army (1959-1969). I got out in September 1969, and began College in September 1970, using the GI Bill ($200 a month) plus part-time employment in hospitals. I completed my Bachelor's Degree in Psychology in 6 Semesters (taking an average of 21 Semester Units each semester). I graduated with a 3.94 GPA out of 4.0.

I then wen to to graduate school, once again using the GI Bill and working Friday and Saturday nights in emergency rooms. I completed a dual Masters Program (in Rehabilitation Counseling and Clinical Psychology) in 4 semesters, and then went to work as a Rehabilitation Counselor.

I later went back to University, and completed my Ed.D in Rehabilitation Counseling. I completed my education with a total of $0.00 in debt.I got my Doctorate at the University of San Francisco, a very high quality university run by the Jesuits.

I still do NOT have a High School Diploma, by the way (I did complete both the High School and the College Level GED tests in the US Army).

ANYONE in the USA can still do this. It takes hard work, and dedication, but it can be (and many people actually do it) done if anyone actually wants an education. And you can get a VERY high quality education from virtually any public College or University, if you are willing to take the hard courses. Of course, you can also take only the easiest, and from the most liberal profs, and learn essentially nothing. It really is the students choice. I chose to take the tough classes, because I actually learned something in them. I also took classes early in the morning, late in the evening, it didn't matter so long as it was a class that I needed and that would teach me what I needed.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention why I left the Army. Lot's of you will figure that a single guy can do what they want.

My first wife walked off leaving me with our two daughters to raise as a single father. I was a single parent all through my bachelors and Masters Degree programs. I did not remarry until well after I began employment as a professional. (My daughters introduced me to my wife [she had been their teacher], and they asked me to date her, and later asked me to propose to her. She adopted them a year after we got married.) I worked with my daughters to see that they did their homework, I took them to Church activities regularly, I paid for good care when I couldn't be with them (which is why I worked a job), and my daughters turned out to be wonderful people. One is a physician and the other is a Civil Engineer, both are mothers and they raise their children the same way that I raised them.
Proud of you.

Stop making war on the world and there would be plenty of money to give everybody a free education.

You know that earning something means more than just being handed it. NYC tried that free education thing back in the hippie days, the concept died out with them after clogging up the system with unqualified individuals.
 

BaalsTears

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Mes Amis,

It's too damn late to save most of this generation of kids. They are lost. The old order is coming to an end. Something new will have to rise from the flames. That is where hope lies. I am not alone:

"The world system is breaking down.

In America:

1. The lower education/union bubble
2. The higher education bubble
3. The real estate bubble
4. Not enough oil production
5. Drug Prohibition is being recognized as a failure
6. Insufficient food production to support the world system.
7. The Green bubble
8. Unsustainable Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.
9. The Democrat party is near a collapse point. Wisconsin is the leading indicator
10. etc

Europe - similar to the above without oil resources plus a Muslim problem.

In the Middle East:
1. Islam is breaking down due to the Internet/cell phones
2. It will not go quietly
3. Muslim Brotherhood etc.
4. Not enough food production
5. Dictators R us
6. etc.

China

1. Food
2. The Jasmine Revolution
3. Internet/cell phones - see Jasmine Revolution
4. One Party rule - like the Democrats in America only worse

India - I'm going to have to study more. Probably much of the above plus an Islam problem going back at least 500 years only partially resolved with the India/Pakistan partition.

No doubt much more.
The world system is breaking down. Much of the old system that we have been carrying is unsupportable. It will be a better system once the old order is gone. The old order will not go without a fight.
Texas is designing a degree system that will cost the student $10,000. I don't see why the cost shouldn't be more on the order of $2,000. We have the Internet."

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