Should this woman be habitually locked up?

[Colpy]

In Canada less than 1% of abortions happen after the age of viability, and of those, the reason is sometimes because the pregnancy isn't viable, ie., the mother's health has deteriorated to the point where it could kill her, or the baby is brain dead, etc. , making the number of viable babies aborted that way very slim. Do I agree with it? Hell no. Am I willing to stop a mother whose life DOES depend on getting an abortion from getting one, because of less than 1% of abortions? No.

So long as abortion remains a valid medical necessity for some women, and they have a government protected right to receive it without protestors barring their way, this woman is flouting valid law.

You blew it in the last six words. Up until then I agreed............

The entire point is that this woman is NOT " barring their way", she is merely having a say..........and that makes the law completely invalid.

 

[karrie]

You all can throw out the medical treatment argument all you want, but you're talking about impeding the child's right to life.



The 63 year old isn't fighting for her own rights. She is fighting for the rights of the child. Some might argue that her motives are less selfish than Rosa's

People aren't arguing abortion, they're arguing her right to free speech. It doesn't trump a woman's right to access medical care.

As for the abortion argument... targeting individual women going into medical clinics will never, ever, change abortion laws, or the societal need for them.

You blew it in the last six words. Up until then I agreed............

The entire point is that this woman is NOT " barring their way", she is merely having a say..........and that makes the law completely invalid.

I never said she was barring their way.... I said that the law protects them from protestors barring their way. This woman is only one of many who push the envelope every day at these clinics Colpy.

 

[petros]

Maybe her and Rosa can park a bus out front with those big whole bus stencil ads? A loonie for an hour parking is cheap and bought and paid for. Can you drive really slowly past an abortion clinic within 60m?

 

[Nuggler]

Holy crap. I agree with Colpy.

8O........FARK!!! I did it once last week, and now, again today...............(agree with Colpy, that is.)

Hell in a handbasket folks, hell in a handbasket.

 

[gerryh]

As for the abortion argument... targeting individual women going into medical clinics will never, ever, change abortion laws, or the societal need for them.

There is no societal need for killing babies. There is a societal need to teach women how to keep their knees together.

 

[Colpy]

People aren't arguing abortion, they're arguing her right to free speech. It doesn't trump a woman's right to access medical care.

As for the abortion argument... targeting individual women going into medical clinics will never, ever, change abortion laws, or the societal need for them.



I never said she was barring their way.... I said that the law protects them from protestors barring their way. This woman is only one of many who push the envelope every day at these clinics Colpy.

First of all, there simply is no "right" to medical care............

There is a right to free speech.

There is no right to block access of any public building, or to put hands on people, or to be destructive.....

There is a right to peacefully assemble and to protest, and to free speech, and to be heard.

When someone puts hands on a woman outside an abortion clinic, arrest them for assault. When someone blocks access to the clinic, arrest them. When someone protests without committing assault or impeding anyone's ability to access any public building, their arrest is a slap in the face to our traditional rights.

 

[karrie]

There is no societal need for killing babies. There is a societal need to teach women how to keep their knees together.

Yeah, put it all on the women. No wonder you take such a simplistic view of how to stop it. God forbid society teach families to be tolerant and NOT teach young girls that coming home pregnant is the end of the world and makes you a horrible ****, while young men are taught that they can dash from responsibility because SHE should have kept her knees together.

First of all, there simply is no "right" to medical care............

There is a right to free speech.

There is no right to block access of any public building, or to put hands on people, or to be destructive.....

There is a right to peacefully assemble and to protest, and to free speech, and to be heard.

When someone puts hands on a woman outside an abortion clinic, arrest them for assault. When someone blocks access to the clinic, arrest them. When someone protests without committing assault or impeding anyone's ability to access any public building, their arrest is a slap in the face to our traditional rights.

"right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."

People assembling to intimidate, or block you from seeking necessary medical care IS a breach of your rights under the Charter.

Life is about balance, and saying that they are required by law to stay 60m back is not an unfair balance of the exercise of rights, imo.

 

[petros]

My dad told me to pull out.

Damn good advice.

 

[gerryh]

My dad told me to pull out.

Damn good advice.

My Dad told me "you make your bed, you sleep in it". Something I have instilled in my boys, which would negate Karrie's rant about teaching boys to run away.

Instead, we teach our children that having sex without responsibility is just A-OK cause you can always run down to the local clinic and have that lil problem taken care of. No biggie.

I just don't understand why we stop there.... how about a 30 day...or 90 day trial period.... if ya find that you were wrong about being a parent after all.... you can just pop down to your local clinic and they can snuff out what has now become a problem.

 

[lone wolf]

My dad told me to pull out.

Damn good advice.

Cool.... Whatever turns yer crank ... but just out of nosey, why was your dad there?

 

[karrie]

My Dad told me "you make your bed, you sleep in it". Something I have instilled in my boys, which would negate Karrie's rant about teaching boys to run away.

Instead, we teach our children that having sex without responsibility is just A-OK cause you can always run down to the local clinic and have that lil problem taken care of. No biggie.

I just don't understand why we stop there.... how about a 30 day...or 90 day trial period.... if ya find that you were wrong about being a parent after all.... you can just pop down to your local clinic and they can snuff out what has now become a problem.

And God knows every girl walking into a clinic had sex willingly.

You simply can't turn the whole issue black and white, and you know it. I'd love to see it wiped out except in medical need but until a girl knows she can go home, explain her mistake, carry her pregnancy, and adopt it out, without dad beating her up, her school kicking her out, losing her job, her scholarships, etc., you will never erase the societal pressures to have it done. THAT has to change first and foremost. And frankly gerry, your comments do nothing but reinforce those attitudes.

 

[petros]

Cool.... Whatever turns yer crank ... but just out of nosey, why was your dad there?

He bought the beer.

My Dad told me "you make your bed, you sleep in it". Something I have instilled in my boys, which would negate Karrie's rant about teaching boys to run away.

That's the thing. We had dads that had the balls to be dads.

And God knows every girl walking into a clinic had sex willingly.

The majority are what many might consider selfish reasons.

 

[JLM]

In Canada less than 1% of abortions happen after the age of viability, and of those, the reason is sometimes because the pregnancy isn't viable, ie., the mother's health has deteriorated to the point where it could kill her, or the baby is brain dead, etc. , making the number of viable babies aborted that way very slim. Do I agree with it? Hell no. Am I willing to stop a mother whose life DOES depend on getting an abortion from getting one, because of less than 1% of abortions? No.

So long as abortion remains a valid medical necessity for some women, and they have a government protected right to receive it without protestors barring their way, this woman is flouting valid law.



Whose rights was Rosa Parks interfering with by sitting at the front of the bus?

In 1954 she was interfering with all the white folks rights on the bus.

There is no societal need for killing babies. There is a societal need to teach women how to keep their knees together.

One statistic I'd like to see is how does the number of suitable prospective adopting couples compare with the number of unwanted babies. If it exceeds them then an unjustice is not just being done to one person but three.

 

[TenPenny]

There's a simple solution: hire Colpy as the guard for the clinic.

One statistic I'd like to see is how does the number of suitable prospective adopting couples compare with the number of unwanted babies. If it exceeds them then an unjustice is not just being done to one person but three.

A lot of adopting couples are leery of adopting in some parts of Canada, as the women who are giving up babies for adoption often are drug/alcohol abusers, and the odds of having to deal with psychological problems is higher. Selfish? Yes. Honest? Yes.

 

[JLM]

There's a simple solution: hire Colpy as the guard for the clinic.



A lot of adopting couples are leery of adopting in some parts of Canada, as the women who are giving up babies for adoption often are drug/alcohol abusers, and the odds of having to deal with psychological problems is higher. Selfish? Yes. Honest? Yes.

You can add that to the list of reasons I want to see drug dealers/importers hanged.

 

[Cannuck]

People aren't arguing abortion, they're arguing her right to free speech. It doesn't trump a woman's right to access medical care.

This woman obviously feels the child's rights needs to be protected and the right to life supersedes all other rights because without life, they (the rights) are worthless.

I find it somewhat amusing that people will get their knickers twisted about being inconvenience while exercising their right while exercising their right strips rights away from somebody else. Let's not forget that at one time, having dark skin meant you weren't legally a person. Throwing people in jail for inconveniencing a slave owner....

As much as you don't want to argue abortion you can't escape the fact that it is core to this issue. Some people believe the child is a human and some don't. Some believe they can do as they wish with it and some don't.

 

[Said1]

And she has the right to voice her opinion from a certain distance away from people who are exercising their rights as well.

 

[petros]

You can add that to the list of reasons I want to see drug dealers/importers hanged.

So when are you going to start stringing up the NATO brass?

And she has the right to voice her opinion from a certain distance away from people who are exercising their rights as well.

Why would anyone in their right mind build a stand alone clinic if they didn't want to ruffle feathers of old Christian birds like this one?

 

[Said1]

Why continue to accomodate her, throw in jail indefinetly?

 

[TenPenny]

Put her in that youth facility in Ontario, that way when she hangs herself, the guards can stand around and watch.