Revolution on the Nile, happening now, Feb 2011

[earth_as_one]

I expect the Egyptian military to remain neutral and focus on stability while the political horse trading goes on behind closed doors. I hope the Egyptians model their new democracy after Nunavut which has banned political parties and require everyone to run as independents who represent their constituents. I doubt that will happen.

 

[ironsides]

France was far more than a backer of U.S. independence, they insured our victory by being in the right place at the right time. Egypt is on their own and the whole world is watching.

 

[Cliffy]

France was far more than a backer of U.S. independence, they insured our victory by being in the right place at the right time. Egypt is on their own and the whole world is watching.

Yup. That is because Marmaduke made off with 70 billion in US aid leaving the country bankrupt.

 

[ironsides]

I hope the Egyptians model their new democracy after Nunavut which has banned political parties and require everyone to run as independents who represent their constituents. I doubt that will happen.

In a large country like Egypt, that will only lead to chaos. But I do hope this ends peacefully, will it be tomorrow or years, or will it be just another more acceptable president appointed. Time will tell, now it is time for the Egyptians to rest and enjoy their victory.

Yup. That is because Marmaduke made off with 70 billion in US aid leaving the country bankrupt.

He won't get to enjoy it, accounts will be frozen.

 

[Cliffy]

In a large country like Egypt, that will only lead to chaos. But I do hope this ends peacefully, will it be tomorrow or years, or will it be just another more acceptable president appointed. Time will tell, now it is time for the Egyptians to rest and enjoy their victory.

It is usually when they take a sigh of relief that the they get the shaft from behind. This is not the time for complacency. They need to more forward and direct the tide of events, not just let them happen. They let someone else make their decisions and they will get royally phuked.

He won't get to enjoy it, accounts will be frozen.

I certainly hope so. I hope Obama has the balls.

 

[ironsides]

They already have a constitution in place, if they keep going there just might be the violence we all thought might happen. The only thing that happened was the President got run off, VP is now in charge and he is worse from what I read. They still have the Peoples Assembly and the General Staff of the military to get passed. Question still is will they give up their positions to a new peoples government?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

With the Google exec part of the revolution, it will have corporate overtones, which is good because Egyptians want to live a better life and don't see much success in politics-when that was the only way to get ahead. The military has thousands of business, all run by family connections. If you were an up and comer, but from the wrong family, tough luck.

It's a realignment, politics will take second fiddle to economics, but will always be important. The old geopolitics have crumbled, uncharted territory,

 

[damngrumpy]

Now the real battle begins. The problem is in the Muslim world they don't do things like normal
people on the rest of the planet. Where we have societal approaches to government we may
indeed have uprisings and others coming to power. The ultimate goal is to be inclusive and
bring people together to form some form of democratic government.
In the Middle East they divide themselves into little tribes, and from there they foster the interests
of their own little special interest group like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and other such
divisive groups. In the end they tear the place apart and nothing is resolved until the next uprising.
Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt they are all the same. That part of the world is still tribal in
nature and that leads to more instability. The only governments that make progress are the
repressive regimes like Saddam. Nothing has been resolved and the end result will be the same,
more dictatorship and fundamentalist rhetoric. Real democracy is as rare as hens teeth in that
part of the world.

 

[TenPenny]

I don't think that's confined to the Muslim world.

We do the exact same thing here in Canada.

 

[earth_as_one]

The Egyptian military controls Egypt. Mubarak and his thugs including the former VP are officially powerless.

Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, has resigned from his post, handing over power to the armed forces and ending a 30-year grip on the largest Arab nation.

Omar Suleiman, the vice-president, announced in a televised address on Friday that the president was "waiving" his office, and had handed over authority to the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces.

Triumph as Mubarak quits - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Now the real battle begins. The problem is in the Muslim world they don't do things like normal
people on the rest of the planet. Where we have societal approaches to government we may
indeed have uprisings and others coming to power. The ultimate goal is to be inclusive and
bring people together to form some form of democratic government.
In the Middle East they divide themselves into little tribes, and from there they foster the interests
of their own little special interest group like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and other such
divisive groups. In the end they tear the place apart and nothing is resolved until the next uprising.
Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Tunisia, Egypt they are all the same. That part of the world is still tribal in
nature and that leads to more instability. The only governments that make progress are the
repressive regimes like Saddam. Nothing has been resolved and the end result will be the same,
more dictatorship and fundamentalist rhetoric. Real democracy is as rare as hens teeth in that
part of the world.

Arabs are very conservative, just like most Asians. And so much of the Mideast is tribal because political development has been stunted for decades, frozen in geopolitical time. People thought even Italians could never figure out democracy, and they did. Think of Mussolinni-who was actually quite popular in Canada and Europe. They need less repression. Now they have THEIR chance to prove they can move ahead. To me, it's a case of containing agressive political-religious psycho freaks who will do anything to stay in power.

Asians don't do democracy really well, representative govt is a start.

 

[damngrumpy]

Actually you are right but democracy is a long way off for Egypt. Some say we behave like this
in Canada as well. Not so, we do oppose each other but we don't blow up the subway and we
don't kill each other in the street. We don't kill little girls because they learn to read and so on,
In the Muslim World they are stunted in time. They interpret religious texts to the extreme. We
pay lip service to the Bible and some of its teachings are just as barbaric as the Koran and that
is not strange as these two religions grew up in the same neighbourhood.
The difference is we moved on in time and embraced new ideas and lifestyles they remained in
the dark ages living next door to a modern world, somehow they have not found a way to fit in
with the rest of the world. Asia is much the same at least parts of it some of these regions in
Asia are moving on with modernization. There is still a long way to go to reach a world of
civilization

 

[ironsides]

Lets just see how the military handles those hold outs who want everything done now and refuse to leave,

 

[Trotz]

Do Christians even follow dietary laws? I'm sure the Pope, being German no less, has probably had his fair share of Wienerschnitzel!

To think in the 1100s a Christian would have been killed or punished for consuming pork, or even meat on a friday, whereas a Muslim in Baghdad could have eaten all the pork and wine he wanted...

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Every country has its own problems and unique situation. Egypt is very urban because most people live along the Nile, it just seems less conservative to me They weren't chanting against the "great satan" and few want an Islamic state.

But first, the military has to end the state of emergency and greatly reduce the size of the Interior ministry. They are such a drag on the eocnomy that keeps corrupt families in power and prevent people from living up to their potential.

 

[EagleSmack]

So the Egyptian Military dissolves the Egyptian Parliment and suspends the Egyptian Constitution.

They're off to a good start!

LET FREEDOM RING BABY! WOOOOOOO!

 

[Said1]

Seems fitting under the circumstances.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Past parliamentary elections were a sham and the constitution is really just a scrap of paper, the military really hasn't done much yet. They need to end the state of emergency and reduce the Interior Ministry to show they are on the side of the people and democracy.

 

[ironsides]

Egypt's Army Marches, Fights, Sells Chickens

The armed forces have a substantial stake in Egypt's civilian economy through a host of government-owned service and manufacturing companies

By Cam Simpson and Mariam Fam
Illustration by Leif Parsons

The Egyptian military played a crucial role in the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak and has promised to steer the nation toward democracy. What's little known outside Egypt is that the army plays a crucial role in the economy as well. That raises the question: Will the military back reformers if they threaten to dismantle its business interests?


The armed forces have a substantial stake in Egypt's civilian economy through a host of government-owned service and manufacturing companies, at least 14 of them under the auspices of the Military Production Ministry. Military-run companies are in such businesses as janitorial services, household appliances, pest control, and catering. El Nasr Co. for Services and Maintenance, for instance, has 7,750 employees in such sectors as child care, automobile repair, and hotel administration, according to its website. Other military companies produce small arms, tank shells, and explosives—as well as exercise equipment and fire engines.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_09/b4217012945891.htm?link_position=link2


This is far from over.

 

[Colpy]

Ann Coulter!!!!

Gotta love her!!!

The Middle East is on fire again, and crazy Muslims with funny names aren't helping things -- Mahmoud, ElBaradei, al-Banna, Barack ...

The major new development is that NOW liberals want to get rid of a dictator in the Middle East! Where were they when we were taking out the guy with the rape rooms?

Remember? The one who had gassed his own people, invaded his neighbors and was desperately seeking weapons of mass destruction? The guy who emerged from a spider hole looking like Charlie Sheen after a three-day bender?

Liberals couldn't have been less interested in removing Saddam Hussein and building a democracy in Iraq. So it's really adorable seeing them get all choked up about democracy now.

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