Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

[Goober]

I wasn't trolling. This thread is a troll. Stupid question asked for the sole purpose of trolling for the anti-Israeli and anti-american camps. Isreal has been a recognised state since 1947, therefore it is a moot point as to whether or not there are some that feel that it doesn't have a "right" to exist.

Many do not believe Isreal has any right to exist as a State- Many Arab countries had that as official foreign Policy for years.

 

[ironsides]

Actually, Jerusalem never belonged fully to either Israel or any Arab state. It was in fact to be under direct UN supervision:

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seeing that this is the plan to which the state of Israel owes its legal leitimacy, certainly both sides ought to submit to the original plan. However, the Arab states aren't al innocent either. They should have accepted the plan too. No, it's not totally fair, but that is what the international community agreed on and so that's what we should uphold: the original partition plan.

Now seeing that the UK is also very responsible for this mess, the least it could do is also grant citizenship to any Palestinian who wants to immigrate to the UK. After all, there was no Israel until the British decided to establish it.

That brought up another problem, since the Jordanian occupation in 1948, Jordan will not allow Jerusalem to be a strictly a Jewish city. To bad they had to get involved in the 67 war, Israel was stretched pretty thin when Jordan decided to honor it's treaty with Egypt and Syria.

 

[Goober]

That brought up another problem, since the Jordanian occupation in 1948, Jordan will not allow Jerusalem to be a strictly a Jewish city. To bad they had to get involved in the 67 war, Israel was stretched pretty thin when Jordan decided to honor it's treaty with Egypt and Syria.

Jerusalem was always the Capital of Israel - The Palestinians have no legitimate claim on the city - The only reason being the mosque - that in itself is not a legitimate claim.

When Israel became a State the Arabs threw all agreements made under that aside by declaring War.

The Wars declared by Arab countries have more than nullified any claim as was agree upon by the UN.

Look to Germany after WW1 or 2 - Kosovo being a similar one.

Jerusalem has always through out history been the Capital of the State of Israel - occupied or not by Romans and others.

You make War you will lose some claims to certain areas of which you held previously..

 

[Machjo]

Jerusalem was always the Capital of Israel - The Palestinians have no legitimate claim on the city - The only reason being the mosque - that in itself is not a legitimate claim.

According to international law, it's never been the capital city of Israel.

When Israel became a State the Arabs threw all agreements made under that aside by declaring War.

The Wars declared by Arab countries have more than nullified any claim as was agree upon by the UN.

Look to Germany after WW1 or 2 - Kosovo being a similar one.

Jerusalem has always through out history been the Capital of the State of Israel - occupied or not by Romans and others.

You make War you will lose some claims to certain areas of which you held previously..

The modern state of Israel cannot be confounded with Ancient Israel. Heck, many Palestinians today likely descend from Ancient Israel, just as many Jews today have likely come from European Jewry and in some cases even converts to the Jewish faith, just as many Palestinians are thought to have converted from the Jewish Faith but chose never to leave.

In the end the situation is such a mess that really international law, just or not, is really all we have to go by and about the only legitimate claim to the existence of Israel. So if your claim to Jerusalem as the capital is not grounded in international law, then on what is it grounded?

 

[Goober]

According to international law, it's never been the capital city of Israel.



The modern state of Israel cannot be confounded with Ancient Israel. Heck, many Palestinians today likely descend from Ancient Israel, just as many Jews today have likely come from European Jewry and in some cases even converts to the Jewish faith, just as many Palestinians are thought to have converted from the Jewish Faith but chose never to leave.

In the end the situation is such a mess that really international law, just or not, is really all we have to go by and about the only legitimate claim to the existence of Israel. So if your claim to Jerusalem as the capital is not grounded in international law, then on what is it grounded?

And the Arabs including Palestinians thumbed their noses shall we say at international law. You cannot ignore it, start Wars then come back and say according to.

Really your post does not make sense.

Could you provide the link regarding this as well please?

 

[MHz]

Jerusalem was always the Capital of Israel - The Palestinians have no legitimate claim on the city - The only reason being the mosque - that in itself is not a legitimate claim.

When Israel became a State the Arabs threw all agreements made under that aside by declaring War.

The Wars declared by Arab countries have more than nullified any claim as was agree upon by the UN.

Look to Germany after WW1 or 2 - Kosovo being a similar one.

Jerusalem has always through out history been the Capital of the State of Israel - occupied or not by Romans and others.

You make War you will lose some claims to certain areas of which you held previously..

Israel hasn't existed since God had Neb destroy the temple, even in Roman times it was never referenced as Israel.

Living there is their claim, 650,000 were deported in the 6 months prior to Israel declaring herself a Country. That will cause a war and why should she gain through blood when she moans so long and hard when her blood is being spilled? Not one Arab was supposed to be expelled for any reason, all land was to be purchased. None of those obligations were remotely lived upto. Not even UN273 has been lived up to and that was something their Government signed, , when does condemnation come down on them, never apparently.

It would seem that the 33 Nations that signed UN181 are the liars and thieves along with what the Rothschild klan likes to call Israelis. No wonder we keep our face out of the UN when Israel gives us our non-marching orders.

And the Arabs including Palestinians thumbed their noses shall we say at international law.

Has the legality of UN181 ever gone through a challenge in the ICC? Has their obligations under UN 273 ever gone through those same courts?

 

[CDNBear]

I wasn't trolling.

Then your post is still tripe.

This thread is a troll.

So?

Living there is their claim, 650,000 were deported in the 6 months prior to Israel declaring herself a Country.

This has been proven to be false so many times, anyone still claiming it, is dishonest and ignorant.

The surrounding Arab nations warned all non Jews to run. Israel admitted to expelling some militants. But as Just the Facts noted, that likely tallied in at less then 10%.

when does condemnation come down on them, never apparently.

When agenda driven revisionists like yourself, cease attempting to rewrite history to suit your ignorance.

 

[MHz]

The surrounding Arab nations warned all non Jews to run. Israel admitted to expelling some militants. But as Just the Facts noted, that likely tallied in at less then 10%.

When agenda driven revisionists like yourself, cease attempting to rewrite history to suit your ignorance.

My numbers were a tad shy as it only went to may of 1948, these numbers include. Palestine doesn't hire a PR machine, Israel is the enity that need to do the whitewash. Easy to tell as they are the ones promoting a migration rather than deportation, a war crime that could strip them of their state that the UN's 33 flunkies gave them as part of a deal that goes back to pre WWI. Remember that war, the one waged just to get Palestine into British hands. No wonder that has gotten it's whitewash.
Were Palestinian refugees forcibly expelled from Israel during the 1948 war? - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
Benny Morris, PhD, Professor of History at Ben-Gurion University, in a Jan. 15, 2004 interview conducted by Henry Makow, stated:

"A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore, it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expell that population."

Jan. 15, 2004 - Benny Morris, PhD
​

Mahmoud Abbas, PhD, Palestinian President, in the Mar. 1976 issue of Falastine a-Thaura -- the then official journal of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut, stated:

"The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."

Mar. 1976 - Mahmoud Abbas , PhD
​

Edward Said, PhD, the late Columbia Professor of Literature, in his 1994 book The Politics of Dispossession, wrote:

"Well over 800,000 Palestinians were evicted from their homes by the Zionist forces [in 1948]."

1994 - Edward Said, PhD
​

The Palestine Ministry of Information website (accessed Feb. 5, 2004) contained the following:

"During the war of 1948, some eight hundred thousand of the approximately nine hundred thousand Palestinians who originally resided in the area that became Israel, were forced to leave their homes to seek refuge in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and further afield."

Feb. 5, 2004 - Palestine Ministry of Information
​

Nuri Said, Former Prime Minister of Iraq, in 1947, as quoted in Nimr el Hawari's 1955 book, Sir Am Nakbah (The Secret Behind the Disaster), allegedly encouraged Arabs to flee to safety before an Arab attack against the Jews:

"The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down."

1947 - Nuri Said
​

Dominique Vidal, French journalist and political commentator, in an article entitled "Ten Years of Research Into the 1947-49 War," published in Dec. 1997 by the French newspaper Le Monde Diplomatique, wrote:

"One can agree that the flight of thousands of well-to-do Palestinians during the first few weeks following the adoption of the UN partition plan - particularly from Haifa and Jaffa - was essentially voluntary."

Dec. 1997 - Dominique Vidal
​

David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first Prime Minister, presented the Israeli official "Arab Orders" argument on Oct. 11, 1961 in the Knesset. Quoted by Ilan Pappe in The Palestinian Exodus, 1948-1998, the argument was as follows:

"The Arabs' exit from Palestine...began immediately after the UN Resolution, from the areas earmarked for the Jewish state. And we have explicit documents testifying that they left Palestine following instructions by the Arab leaders, with the Mufti at their head, under the assumption that the invasion of the Arab armies at the expiration of the Mandate will destroy the Jewish state and push all the Jews into the sea, dead or alive."

Oct. 11, 1961 - David Ben-Gurion
​

Moshe Shertok (Sharett), Israel's former Foreign Minister, in a July 30, 1948 letter to the United Nations, wrote:

"The Arab mass flight from Israel and Israel-occupied territory is the direct effect of Arab aggression from outside...The plain fact, however, is that but for the intervention of the Arab states, ther would have been an overwhelming measure of local Arab acquiescence in the establishment of the state of Israel, and by now, peace and reasonable prosperity would have reigned throughout the territory to the enjoyment of Jews and Arabs alike."

July 30, 1948 - Moshe Sharett
​

YouTube - The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Dr. Ilan Pappe - Part 1

 

[CDNBear]

My numbers were a tad shy as it only went to may of 1948, these numbers include.

Uh huh...

Palestine doesn't hire a PR machine, Israel is the enity that need to do the whitewash. Easy to tell as they are the ones promoting a migration rather than deportation, a war crime that could strip them of their state that the UN's 33 flunkies gave them as part of a deal that goes back to pre WWI. Remember that war, the one waged just to get Palestine into British hands. No wonder that has gotten it's whitewash.

Ya, my guess is you just can't begin to grasp the threats laid out by Israels Arab neighbours. Or you've lied to yourself, surrounded yourself with anything and anyone, telling the same lie so long. To you it's fact now.

Were Palestinian refugees forcibly expelled from Israel during the 1948 war? - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
Benny Morris, PhD, Professor of History at Ben-Gurion University, in a Jan. 15, 2004 interview conducted by Henry Makow, stated:

"A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore, it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expell that population."

Jan. 15, 2004 - Benny Morris, PhD ​

I guess you don't know what a "revisionist" is. You would be an excellent example.
​

Mahmoud Abbas, PhD, Palestinian President, in the Mar. 1976 issue of Falastine a-Thaura -- the then official journal of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut, stated:

"The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."

Mar. 1976 - Mahmoud Abbas , PhD
​

Ya, I wouldn't think a Palestinian would have another version of events.

Edward Said, PhD, the late Columbia Professor of Literature, in his 1994 book The Politics of Dispossession, wrote:

"Well over 800,000 Palestinians were evicted from their homes by the Zionist forces [in 1948]."

1994 - Edward Said, PhD
​

Ya a professor of Literature is usually the authoritative source for historical data.

The Palestine Ministry of Information website (accessed Feb. 5, 2004) contained the following:

"During the war of 1948, some eight hundred thousand of the approximately nine hundred thousand Palestinians who originally resided in the area that became Israel, were forced to leave their homes to seek refuge in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and further afield."

Feb. 5, 2004 - Palestine Ministry of Information
​

This is getting ridiculous, not only is the number rising, you're now using the Palestinian propaganda ministry to support your idiotic posts. Laughable at best.

Nuri Said, Former Prime Minister of Iraq, in 1947, as quoted in Nimr el Hawari's 1955 book, Sir Am Nakbah (The Secret Behind the Disaster), allegedly encouraged Arabs to flee to safety before an Arab attack against the Jews:

"The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down."

1947 - Nuri Said
​

Your point?

Dominique Vidal, French journalist and political commentator, in an article entitled "Ten Years of Research Into the 1947-49 War," published in Dec. 1997 by the French newspaper Le Monde Diplomatique, wrote:

"One can agree that the flight of thousands of well-to-do Palestinians during the first few weeks following the adoption of the UN partition plan - particularly from Haifa and Jaffa - was essentially voluntary."

Dec. 1997 - Dominique Vidal
​

You do realise that supports my position right?​

David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first Prime Minister, presented the Israeli official "Arab Orders" argument on Oct. 11, 1961 in the Knesset. Quoted by Ilan Pappe in The Palestinian Exodus, 1948-1998, the argument was as follows:

"The Arabs' exit from Palestine...began immediately after the UN Resolution, from the areas earmarked for the Jewish state. And we have explicit documents testifying that they left Palestine following instructions by the Arab leaders, with the Mufti at their head, under the assumption that the invasion of the Arab armies at the expiration of the Mandate will destroy the Jewish state and push all the Jews into the sea, dead or alive."

Oct. 11, 1961 - David Ben-Gurion
​

That too.​

Moshe Shertok (Sharett), Israel's former Foreign Minister, in a July 30, 1948 letter to the United Nations, wrote:

"The Arab mass flight from Israel and Israel-occupied territory is the direct effect of Arab aggression from outside...The plain fact, however, is that but for the intervention of the Arab states, ther would have been an overwhelming measure of local Arab acquiescence in the establishment of the state of Israel, and by now, peace and reasonable prosperity would have reigned throughout the territory to the enjoyment of Jews and Arabs alike."

July 30, 1948 - Moshe Sharett
​

That too.

YouTube - The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Dr. Ilan Pappe - Part 1

And of course this is proven false by countless facts that have been presented to you.

What's made abundantly clear by this post, is that you don't understand what supports your flawed opinion and revisionist history rewriting, and what doesn't.

Good to see you haven't changed your policy of supplying us with humourous reading material, in the form of absurd posts.

 

[MHz]

Well Bear, coming from somebody who professes to have some knowledge of steel and still you promote the 'official version' that weakened and sagging floor joist in the two towers were still strong enough to pull in both inner and outer columns to the point of breaking them pretty much eliminates me believing anything you promote as 'the truth'.

An Israeli PR campaign isn't going to change the facts one bit.

 

[Just the Facts]

You do realise that supports my position right?

So does this one. The prisons Abbas is talking about is the "refugee" camps. I guess it's "case closed".


Mahmoud Abbas, PhD, Palestinian President, in the Mar. 1976 issue of Falastine a-Thaura -- the then official journal of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut, stated:

"The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live."

Mar. 1976 - Mahmoud Abbas , PhD
​

​

 

[ironsides]

Has anyone taken the time to consider that on the day of Partition 5 Arab armies attacked Israel at once. How is it possible for Israel to fight these armies as well as drive out 700,000 Arab residents. No one mentioned the fact that the surrounding Arab nations and nationalist groups told all Arabs within the partitioned area to get out or possibly be considered enemies and slaughtered along with the Jews before Partition. Israel may have sent extremely violent terrorist packing after the consolidated the state, but not even close to 700,000. That is just Arab propaganda, no matter what they say history of the time cannot be changed.

 

[MHz]

Has anyone taken the time to consider that on the day of Partition 5 Arab armies attacked Israel at once. How is it possible for Israel to fight these armies as well as drive out 700,000 Arab residents. No one mentioned the fact that the surrounding Arab nations and nationalist groups told all Arabs within the partitioned area to get out or possibly be considered enemies and slaughtered along with the Jews before Partition. Israel may have sent extremely violent terrorist packing after the consolidated the state, but not even close to 700,000. That is just Arab propaganda, no matter what they say history of the time cannot be changed.

Trying to change history are you? The 'war' didn't start until May of 1948, UN181 was signed (the partitioning) in November of 1947. Between those two dates some 650,000 Arabs were expelled by force by Jews. Israel quickly declared herself a Nation using their new borders that were larger than UN 181 allowed,

Would you like to rewrite UN 181 to suit your false vision of the truth??

In case you an Bear can't comprehend the words in the post you might want to look at the link, it gives two versions of the story, as usual Jews are the liars followed closely by you and Bear, also known liars.

 

[Just the Facts]

as usual Jews are the liars

You mean Benny Morris, right? lol

Interestingly, the most credible of the "yes" blurbs is the one by Abbas (he was there) and what he is saying is that the Palestinians were indeed forced from their homes, but by Arabs, not Israelis. To this day the Palestinian Arabs are forced to live in ghetto's rather than be assimilated into the greater society....by Arabs. Arabs in Israel do not live in ghettos. Interesting.

 

[earth_as_one]

Report: Israel building Arab ghettos
Arab Association for Human Rights reveals that increasing number of fences and ramparts built to separate Arabs from Jews in Israel

Report: Israel building Arab ghettos - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[lone wolf]

My answer to the poll is conditional upon Israel recognizing other nation's rights to exist

 

[darkbeaver]

Report: Israel building Arab ghettos
Arab Association for Human Rights reveals that increasing number of fences and ramparts built to separate Arabs from Jews in Israel

Report: Israel building Arab ghettos - Israel News, Ynetnews

the walls are to separate semites from Israelis and they are building semite ghettos

 

[ironsides]

Trying to change history are you? The 'war' didn't start until May of 1948, UN181 was signed (the partitioning) in November of 1947. Between those two dates some 650,000 Arabs were expelled by force by Jews. Israel quickly declared herself a Nation using their new borders that were larger than UN 181 allowed,

Would you like to rewrite UN 181 to suit your false vision of the truth??

In case you an Bear can't comprehend the words in the post you might want to look at the link, it gives two versions of the story, as usual Jews are the liars followed closely by you and Bear, also known liars.

Fact is the Arabs scared their own people to get them out of the way. As the UN voted, the Arab armies attacked. By the way, I didn't use a link, get your facts straight, I know the history.

"In May, 1948, the Arab States responded to the creation of the UN-mandated Jewish State of Israel with a 5-power attack by regular armies, from Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, together with armed Palestinians, and armed Arab volunteers,
including Moslem Brotherhood elements.

The Arabs called on the Arab Palestinians to evacuate Israel, and so allow a "free-fire zone" for the 5 invading forces. This, together with the impact of fighting, led to a major fleeing of Palestinians, whose total numbers equaled the Jews who fled from the Arab world, mostly to Israel.

The Arabs that fled have been left in camps by the Arab Governments since 1949, and were never integrated, unlike the similar number of Jewish refugees from the Arab world, who were fully integrated into Israeli society. Neither did the Arabs move to any peace treaty with Israel, to address this, or any other issue"

 

[damngrumpy]

I love this debate, it is about being dysfunctional, the real Arab problem. Let us assume
the banter is correct, and some are serious fact of history, recent history but history none
the less. Five nations attack Israel and lose, what does that say about the coordination of
the Arab World? Inside the country there are according to some 700 thousand Arabs or
Palestinians. First the Arabs order them out of the way so the story goes or be considered
enemies. Would the Arabs invading not want the Palestinians in Israel to rise up? And if
the Palestinians were inside the country of Israel, wouldn't they rise up if they hated the Jewish
State so bad?
The fact from my prospective is, the Palestinians in times past and now do not want the
destruction of Israel because they want jobs, even if they are not the best jobs. In the Arab
areas there are no jobs, because the only full time employment is fighting each other.
When you see the check points, it is Arab peoples trying to get into Israel not fleeing from it.
Does that tell us something? Yes there is all kinds of injustice, and it happens on both sides.
It should also be remembered this is a family quarrel, as these peoples are related with a
common father Abraham, by their own admission incidentally lest we forget.
On one side we has an economically progressive people, pursuing the future in commerce,
arts, education and socially integrating with the world, they are called Israelis. In contrast,
we have the Arab World, shut off by their own vision of suffer on earth for a place in heaven.
They are so Conservative that they are shunned by conservatives in the rest of the world.
Like Luddites they oppose all modern advancement in arts, and social graces, and they still
remain as a group of tribal peoples divided by their view of Islam, the Arab Sunni view, and the
Persian (Iran) Sharia vision of the world.
I have always believed, if you want to be respected by others you must yourself be respectful.
Islam does not follow that concept internationally very well and therefore people look upon them
with suspicion and in many cases scorn. I hear people say, the rest of the world should not
be afraid or suspicious of the Muslim World. The only way to break down those barriers is to
open up the window of life to that part of the world and let the sunshine in. At present it is viewed
rightly or wrongly as a dark forbidding place in the eyes of many because Islam does nothing
to dispel the concerns of others.
Islam wants their case to be heard, The Palestinians want to be treated with respect, this is good
now they have to get past their jealousy, their inferiority complex, and join the rest of the world
as societal people or they will never get a hearing in the court of public opinion.
If you were an average person that didn't know much about the conflict or the hatred for each other
these people sometimes engage in, which side would you most likely want to take?
You would side with the vision that most resembles your own in the western world. Looking at the
two visions on the face of it, your answer would be YES Israel has the right to exist, and the Arab
World, and the Palestinians in particular had better change their public face the present to the world
because at present they are viewed with contempt by many, scorn by others, and pity by a great
number, but not enough pity to raise them out of their plight. By the many I mean western nations
and the Arab world itself. in the rest of the Arab world, having the Palestinians suffer is good business
for the propaganda machines against Israel. It is a never ending cycle of jealousy, greed and hatred,
and the vats of suffering are over filled and still we look with hopeful eyes at a hopeless situation.

 

[darkbeaver]

I love this debate, it is about being dysfunctional, the real Arab problem. Let us assume
the banter is correct, and some are serious fact of history, recent history but history none
the less. Five nations attack Israel and lose, what does that say about the coordination of
the Arab World? Inside the country there are according to some 700 thousand Arabs or
Palestinians. First the Arabs order them out of the way so the story goes or be considered
enemies. Would the Arabs invading not want the Palestinians in Israel to rise up? And if
the Palestinians were inside the country of Israel, wouldn't they rise up if they hated the Jewish
State so bad?
The fact from my prospective is, the Palestinians in times past and now do not want the
destruction of Israel because they want jobs, even if they are not the best jobs. In the Arab
areas there are no jobs, because the only full time employment is fighting each other.
When you see the check points, it is Arab peoples trying to get into Israel not fleeing from it.
Does that tell us something? Yes there is all kinds of injustice, and it happens on both sides.
It should also be remembered this is a family quarrel, as these peoples are related with a
common father Abraham, by their own admission incidentally lest we forget.
On one side we has an economically progressive people, pursuing the future in commerce,
arts, education and socially integrating with the world, they are called Israelis. In contrast,
we have the Arab World, shut off by their own vision of suffer on earth for a place in heaven.
They are so Conservative that they are shunned by conservatives in the rest of the world.
Like Luddites they oppose all modern advancement in arts, and social graces, and they still
remain as a group of tribal peoples divided by their view of Islam, the Arab Sunni view, and the
Persian (Iran) Sharia vision of the world.
I have always believed, if you want to be respected by others you must yourself be respectful.
Islam does not follow that concept internationally very well and therefore people look upon them
with suspicion and in many cases scorn. I hear people say, the rest of the world should not
be afraid or suspicious of the Muslim World. The only way to break down those barriers is to
open up the window of life to that part of the world and let the sunshine in. At present it is viewed
rightly or wrongly as a dark forbidding place in the eyes of many because Islam does nothing
to dispel the concerns of others.
Islam wants their case to be heard, The Palestinians want to be treated with respect, this is good
now they have to get past their jealousy, their inferiority complex, and join the rest of the world
as societal people or they will never get a hearing in the court of public opinion.
If you were an average person that didn't know much about the conflict or the hatred for each other
these people sometimes engage in, which side would you most likely want to take?
You would side with the vision that most resembles your own in the western world. Looking at the
two visions on the face of it, your answer would be YES Israel has the right to exist, and the Arab
World, and the Palestinians in particular had better change their public face the present to the world
because at present they are viewed with contempt by many, scorn by others, and pity by a great
number, but not enough pity to raise them out of their plight. By the many I mean western nations
and the Arab world itself. in the rest of the Arab world, having the Palestinians suffer is good business
for the propaganda machines against Israel. It is a never ending cycle of jealousy, greed and hatred,
and the vats of suffering are over filled and still we look with hopeful eyes at a hopeless situation.

an example of anti semitism