Amnesty International Report "Operation Cast Lead" - 22 days of death and destruction

Colpy

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I don't recall that Regan was black.

Colpy you might not want to use the 444 days as that time was extended just so they would be released when they were. The US was even selling Iran weapons during that period of time. Ask Oliver North.

No they weren't.

The shame of the Iran Contra thing came much much later, well into Reagan's term.

Yep, the captivity of the hostages was DEFINITELY extended until Reagan came into office..........extended unilaterally by the Iranians for as long as Jimmy Carter was president, and ended the second Reagan was President........nobody said the Iranians were stupid.
 

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No they weren't.

The shame of the Iran Contra thing came much much later, well into Reagan's term.

Yep, the captivity of the hostages was DEFINITELY extended until Reagan came into office..........extended unilaterally by the Iranians for as long as Jimmy Carter was president, and ended the second Reagan was President........nobody said the Iranians were stupid.
The deal was made via the CIA, that would be the VP in that era, Bush, former director of the CIA.
Who said they were stupid, stupid would be the cover story of leaving the air filters off the navy choppers that were involved in that rescue attempt when they were actually stopped via armed resistance, the story and the expectation that it would be believed is the stupid part, surely you saw through that story as soon as it appeared.
 

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The deal was made via the CIA, that would be the VP in that era, Bush, former director of the CIA.
Who said they were stupid, stupid would be the cover story of leaving the air filters off the navy choppers that were involved in that rescue attempt when they were actually stopped via armed resistance, the story and the expectation that it would be believed is the stupid part, surely you saw through that story as soon as it appeared.

Yep, (nod nod, wink wink) and you and the Lone Gunmen have all the Intel.........

Give me a break.
 

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Yep, (nod nod, wink wink) and you and the Lone Gunmen have all the Intel.........

Give me a break.
That's supposed to be nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
Are you promoting they left them off because they are just that incompetent?
 

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Point 1: Jimmy Carter is an idiot. You did pay some attention to his term as president? He obviously has NO concept of the use of military power......that's why Americans spent 444 days of his presidency in captivity in Iran, and were released the DAY Ronnie Reagan was sworn in. He should have stuck to carpentry.

Point 2: The Hamas killed by Israel were in the process of digging tunnels into Israel....in other words, the Israelis intervened into an attack. I know, I know, those damned Jews just don't line up for the slaughter like they used to.........but look, it gives you SO much to whine about.

Point 3: Considering the Hamas killed were militants on assignment, Hamas could have simply complained and not upped the firing of missiles....they were looking for a fight....a mistake with Israel.....and rightfully so.

Regarding Point 1: I disagree with your appraisal of Carter. He negotiated a middle east peace deal between Egypt and Israel and never started any wars. He has friends throughout the middle east and was partly responsible for kickstarting the events which led to the June 2008 Gaza/Israel ceasefire agreement. Carter is an obvious force for peace in this conflict and all sides consider him an honest broker.

The Carter center publishes some excellent reports! This one for example:
http://www.cartercenter.org/resourc...ement_and_fatalities_report FINAL 1 22 09.pdf
Its mostly factual, but you'd be hard pressed to find many of these facts all pulled together in one short three page document.

Regarding point 2 - The IDF never offered any proof backing up this claim. Hamas claims it was a defensive bunker. I don't trust either side's claims. Normally during a ceasefire, one side can't send commando into the other territory to blow things up and kill people. Regardless of the cause, must people would consider a ceasefire dead at that point. The fact that Israel is so adamant that their commado raid wan't really a ceasefire violation despite the requirement to twist logic in impossible ways, indicates to me the Israelis are lying.

Regarding point 3. Wow, not only do you not consider a commando raid into Gaza to kill people and blow stuff up not to be a ceasefire violation, you don't even consider it to be an escalation, unlike the resulting barrage of missiles fired from Gaza in response. Can you give me a definition of a ceasefire which would include killing people because they were "on assignment". Can you define it in such a way that Israel can kill people on assignment, but their adversaries can't fire missiles back in response. Because if I understand your definition of cease fire, it doesn't seem to include both sides cessation of firing.
 

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Let me get this straight. Israel invaded Palestinian territory, bombed, shelled and otherwise shot the crap out of it, killed all kinds of innocent civilians and you are upset that the Palestinians fired back. Am I missing something here? It seems to me that if someone invaded the US and bombed, shelled and otherwise shot the crap out of your homes, you would be shooting back, no?

You have missed a lot in the past 50 years or so. History is not how you perceive it, but what really happened as in this case. Gaza the source of the rocket attack still exists, Israel didn't do enough, listened to those liberals again who said stop shooting, the Arabs have had enough, we must show mercy. Why so they can become more sophisticated and kill more Israeli's?. No Israel made a mistake by not pushing the Palestinian's into Egypt.
 

petros

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How did it get from rocks to rockets over those 43 years of military and settlement occupation?

Are rockets hitting illegal settlements or Israel proper?
 

ironsides

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You can work that one out. Legal, settlements now there have been accepted by most.
 

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How many Embassys does Palestine have to have before Israel has to recognize them as an independent Nation. Cross border raids and blockades as a thing of the past. The amount of money the 10 Arab Nations could throw at them is infinite. Nor would they need to buy even one weapon as the "World" would be picking up the tab in the long run @ 200 bbl.
 

ironsides

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Just one in Israel. Do the other Arab Nations really want a Palestine to be recognized, or do they enjoy all this bickering going on between the various sects.