There debating right now. And a vote on repeal is expected later today. You can view the debate here, if you'd like.
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House of Representatives debating repealing ban on gays in military
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The C-Span web site appears to be experiencing an error preventing new connections to the live feed at the moment. In any event, I don't think that the question is whether or not the House of Representatives is going to vote to repeal the policy; rather, the question is whether the Senate can be convinced to do the same, particularly before the end of the year.
Fantastic! The United States has taken another step, even if only symbolic without the Senate's concurrence, toward equality for the LGBT community of the United States.
I don't understand why there was a ban on gays in the military in the first place. If a gay person wants to serve their country, let them serve. Right?
The vast majority of those posting have never served in any Armed Force, but they purport to know what is best for the Armed Services.
I HAVE served, in combat and outside of it. I knew of several homosexuals that served at the same time as I did. They did their jobs as well as anyone else, and often better than others. I had no problem with them, so long as they were not hitting on heterosexual men (and very few do).
Their blood is the same as anyone elses.
The same arguments were used against integration of Black's into the Armed Forces back in the 1940's. Truman put a stop to that by issuing an order that all black units were to be immediately integrated into the regular forces, and that blacks were to have access to all fields in the military. The military brass predicted that people would refuse to re-enlist, would refuse to serve with "niggers", and that mass chaos would be the result. That did not happen, except in a few isolated cases (and the people involved were disciplined severely).
The US Navy was the MOST reluctant to integrate, not fully accomplishing this until the Vietnam War. The Army got rid of its last all black unit in 1951 (the 24th Infantry Regiment).
Allowing gays to serve openly will have no significant effect at all. A very few will be blatantly "Gay", and they will be discharged for conduct reasons, just like overly aggressive hetereo's are now.
I HAVE served, in combat and outside of it. I knew of several homosexuals that served at the same time as I did. They did their jobs as well as anyone else, and often better than others. I had no problem with them, so long as they were not hitting on heterosexual men (and very few do).
Their blood is the same as anyone elses.
The same arguments were used against integration of Black's into the Armed Forces back in the 1940's. Truman put a stop to that by issuing an order that all black units were to be immediately integrated into the regular forces, and that blacks were to have access to all fields in the military. The military brass predicted that people would refuse to re-enlist, would refuse to serve with "niggers", and that mass chaos would be the result. That did not happen, except in a few isolated cases (and the people involved were disciplined severely).
The US Navy was the MOST reluctant to integrate, not fully accomplishing this until the Vietnam War. The Army got rid of its last all black unit in 1951 (the 24th Infantry Regiment).
Allowing gays to serve openly will have no significant effect at all. A very few will be blatantly "Gay", and they will be discharged for conduct reasons, just like overly aggressive hetereo's are now.
The United States is, at last, a definitive step closer to ending this ridiculous policy.
Now that the Senate and the House of Representatives are clearly on board (though there remain to be some formal procedures to adopt the repeal in the Senate), all that is left is for His Excellency the Honorable Barack Obama, the President of the United States, to prove with his top officials that this repeal will not adversely affect the performance of the armed forces--and I have absolutely no doubt that this will be open-and-shut.
Now that the Senate and the House of Representatives are clearly on board (though there remain to be some formal procedures to adopt the repeal in the Senate), all that is left is for His Excellency the Honorable Barack Obama, the President of the United States, to prove with his top officials that this repeal will not adversely affect the performance of the armed forces--and I have absolutely no doubt that this will be open-and-shut.
They thought the Japanese were too short and had no peripheral eyesight to make for good fighter and bomber pilots....then Pearl Harbour happened.
Even people with no flying experience can fly planes into things as seen on 9/11......
I considered this inevitable for some time. Mainly because Western culture has lost all sense of what a caustic and corrosive phenomenon homosexuality is.. for the individual and for society at large.
It essentially undermines the legitimacy of the military code of honour, that did not only outlaw homosexuality.. but adultery, promiscuity and other forms of immorality... as inconsistent with the miltary profession.
It won't show immediately.. but it will gradually unravel the cohesive bond of military life.. and will manifest itself when unit solidarity is most needed.. on the battlefield.. and in general loss of structure and discipline.
It essentially undermines the legitimacy of the military code of honour, that did not only outlaw homosexuality.. but adultery, promiscuity and other forms of immorality... as inconsistent with the miltary profession.
It won't show immediately.. but it will gradually unravel the cohesive bond of military life.. and will manifest itself when unit solidarity is most needed.. on the battlefield.. and in general loss of structure and discipline.
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