Further Explanations for Ancient Flood Myth

petros

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That's the thing about a spirit quest, it isn't about looking for something, it's about finding what you need.

You may think you know what it is you are looking for, you may think you need to find this or that, but in the end, what you find is what was meant to be. Not necessarily what you want.

Here, read this...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/spirituality-philosophy/54957-how-i-became-ohkwai.html
I was about the same age when I went off into the mountains gold panning when it started to rain heavily. I spent 4 days and 3 nights in an old mine shaft with no food and a sprained ankle until the rain let up and I could safely walk down the creek I walked up.

It was the best damn thing that ever happened to me but I didn't realize how profound the experience was until a few years later when I was awake for 4 days and too nervous to eat when my daughter was born.
 

CDNBear

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Rather than focus on Dex other than to say he seems to have diverted from the original narrative which was water coming down from above in the form of rain that falls on the high hills and on the mountain tops. The version he is promoting does not have the rain playing any part.
That's not true, he just doesn't ignore the rest of the story, as you seem to wish to do.

The water rose from sea level until it was 29,000 ft higher, and (the science part) water always seek it's own level the Bible is anti proven science.
Of course it is, it's myth, story and legend, touted as fact by the believers. Water seeks to level itself out, you can actually prove that in your own kitchen or bathroom. Hell, all I did was look out at the lake and poof, there it was, level. With depths ranging from 1" to 100'. By your logic, it should be an unnavigable undulating mess.

That science holds water until a puff of wind comes along.
Nice try, you're trying to say that a wave or surge is a static thing. It isn't, the wave dies and the water attempts to level out again, when the wave loses its energy.

The Bible never describes anything like that (100s of feet) yet that is the 'common story'. If the wind was able to lower the water level 10ft to a depth of the ankle would that be 'dry ground?
No. The key word being "dry". I'm sure even back then "dry" meant "dry".

If your path doesn't include a lot of detours you haven't really seen all that any path has to offer.
I've walked more paths then the average veteran hiker.

Ask any coyote or child.
Why? One seeks the survive, the other merely explore a strange new world.

Two entirely different agenda's.
 

petros

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Ya, my Grandfather just made me chop wood until I was ready to fall over, deprived me a food and drink for a day, had me smoke a pipe with tobacco, wintergreen, bear berry and gimson weed in it, before doing a sweat lodge.

Heat makes you see funny things when it's done right.
Pain played a big role for me as well.

My buddy uses juniper bows when he sweats. Juniper is one helluva trip when you inhale the vapours.
 

MHz

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That's not true, he just doesn't ignore the rest of the story, as you seem to wish to do.
Re-read his post.
Of course it is, it's myth, story and legend, touted as fact by the believers. Water seeks to level itself out, you can actually prove that in your own kitchen or bathroom. Hell, all I did was look out at the lake and poof, there it was, level. With depths ranging from 1" to 100'. By your logic, it should be an unnavigable undulating mess.
So you are promoting a flat-earth, a lake or ocean is part of an arc.
It would be a mirror image of the ground, static. Things that could float would still seek the lowest level.
Nice try, you're trying to say that a wave or surge is a static thing. It isn't, the wave dies and the water attempts to level out again, when the wave loses its energy.
How much longer before tides cease to exist?
No. The key word being "dry". I'm sure even back then "dry" meant "dry".
All beaches have wet sand an drier sand just a few feet away, both are considered to be dry land.
I've walked more paths then the average veteran hiker.
No more spiritual paths than anyone though. It takes many turns and bends and it even has dead-ends and thus backtracking.
Why? One seeks the survive, the other merely explore a strange new world.
Two entirely different agenda's
The desire is the same, to know the most about their surroundings in the least amount of time, the method they use is exactly the same.

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petros

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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Of course it is, it's myth, story and legend, touted as fact by the believers. Water seeks to level itself out, you can actually prove that in your own kitchen or bathroom. Hell, all I did was look out at the lake and poof, there it was, level. With depths ranging from 1" to 100'. By your logic, it should be an unnavigable undulating mess.
So you are promoting a flat-earth, a lake or ocean is part of an arc.
It would be a mirror image of the ground, static. Things that could float would still seek the lowest level.

Psssst...... Young?Laplace equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Rather than focus on Dex other than to say he seems to have diverted from the original narrative which was water coming down from above in the form of rain that falls on the high hills and on the mountain tops. The version he is promoting does not have the rain playing any part.
Where did I say that? Sometimes I wonder why I bother ever trying to explain anything to you, you twist everybody's words to mean whatever you want them to mean, ignore what they plainly say, and invent things they don't say. I have never said rain played no part, my first post in this thread acknowledged that the Bible mentions both rain and apparently an overland flood. Subsequent posts focused on trying to get you to think about the origin and disappearance of the volume of water necessary to cover all the mountains, and saying it was rain or an overland flood or both isn't an answer. That's the delivery mechanism, not the source. It requires over 3 times the volume of surface water currently on the planet, you're claiming it came and went in a space of less than a year only a few thousand years ago, and implicitly that it left no signs on the planet's surface. All you can do is invoke a supernatural explanation that defies well-known physics of how liquids behave. That's not much of an answer either.
 

petros

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That formula would be useful in finding the depth a strong wind could dig. Rather than soap on the surface in the Bitter Lake the waves would be stirring up sediment making the water/air interaction even more effective.
How much does the atmosphere weigh?

Anything else you want to know about Earth before I go cook and eat dinner?
 

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Where did I say that? Sometimes I wonder why I bother ever trying to explain anything to you, you twist everybody's words to mean whatever you want them to mean, ignore what they plainly say, and invent things they don't say. I have never said rain played no part, my first post in this thread acknowledged that the Bible mentions both rain and apparently an overland flood. Subsequent posts focused on trying to get you to think about the origin and disappearance of the volume of water necessary to cover all the mountains, and saying it was rain or an overland flood or both isn't an answer. That's the delivery mechanism, not the source. It requires over 3 times the volume of surface water currently on the planet, you're claiming it came and went in a space of less than a year only a few thousand years ago, and implicitly that it left no signs on the planet's surface. All you can do is invoke a supernatural explanation that defies well-known physics of how liquids behave. That's not much of an answer either.
Back in this quote " The volume of the oceans is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers, to cover the earth to the depth of Mt. Everest would require about another 4.5 billion cubic kilometers." That isn't anything about rain it is purely about making that much water appear and disappear. That isn't promoted by any verse that makes up that story. That method, rising water from sea level, would not be a 'fountain' although the amount of water needed to cover the land with that much rain would most likely be observed because of the high rate. That is why I was saying the part that the Bible emphases most is the one you spend the least amount of time on. It is in my own interest to get you to pay more attention to the rain part of the story.

My claim says no new water was needed. If it came from ice the ocean level did not even drop, if it came from ocean water the level over the whole world dropped the level 5 ft. A year later it was pretty much back to the original level.
If the Atlantic spread is about a cm/yr then using an average depth a person can come up with how much water is needed to fill that same space. That water would come from all the shores of that ocean which results in a shoreline that sees the water level get lower over huge blocks of time. 1cm/yr is 10/10yrs, 100/100 yrs, etc.

How much does the atmosphere weigh?

Anything else you want to know about Earth before I go cook and eat dinner?
In full or per some square?

How would the tides acts since they would have no barriers loike a shoreline creates, bigger/ smaller/ the same?
 

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In English please.
If rain fell and it stayed in place so water covered all of the land and tides move with the moon would it have flowed a lot further inland than would be 'normal'. Some method has to be found that gets the Ark high above sea-level if it is to ground out at a high elevation. A tide coming across the MED would be greater if it gained power from the Atlantic, today it is choked off. A strong wind on the side of the Ark would also help travel 'uphill'.

That only requires manipulating a very few elements in nature. Things that would seem to be out of our grasp for ever.
 

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If rain fell and it stayed in place so water covered all of the land...
But it doesn't, it flows to the lowest level it can reach, so for it to overtop Everest it has to be that deep over the entire planet. I don't really see the sense of trying to apply scientific reasoning to parts of this story and not others though, you're clearly claiming it was a supernatural event where the usual rules didn't apply. If you do that you can assume anything you want, limited only by your imagination, and simply claim the deity did it. That's really all you're doing anyway, though you try to throw a few numbers and some rudimentary analysis in now and then to make it look respectable. The reality is that Noah's global flood didn't happen.
 

gerryh

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IMHO the RCC is a tad more dangerous than somebody who take the Bible literally, like the Dead Sea waters being make into fresh water, a task that only God could accomplish. The Church was in disarray long before I ever picked up a Bible and it will be in disarray long after I've ceased to be able to read.



God probably wasn't giving the ratio of land the earth has that is 'inhabitable' either. Little before we discoved that same ratio. Still ............

Re.6:8
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.



No use going any further with you.
 

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MHz- You have the annoying habit of quoting chapter and verse from the Bible, but you don't list the author. When I am trying to gain knowledge from a book, I want to know who wrote it, what his background is in his area of expertise, a list of successful endeavours and most important a list of references. One of your sources is "Re.............", what the f*** is "Re"? Is it Revelations? Who wrote the book of Revelations, what school of learning did he/she attend, did he/she graduate? Either you lack all credibility or you are very gullable. :smile:
 

gerryh

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MHz- You have the annoying habit of quoting chapter and verse from the Bible, but you don't list the author. When I am trying to gain knowledge from a book, I want to know who wrote it, what his background is in his area of expertise, a list of successful endeavours and most important a list of references. One of your sources is "Re.............", what the f*** is "Re"? Is it Revelations? Who wrote the book of Revelations, what school of learning did he/she attend, did he/she graduate? Either you lack all credibility or you are very gullable. :smile:



I'm just a tad confused. Everyone that has read or studied the Bible at all knows what Re.6:8 would be referencing. Since you stated that the Holy Bible is no different than "Alice in Wonderland" I had assumed that you had read at least both to be able to make that comparison. Since you DON'T know what Re.6:8 is referencing I am starting to believe that you really have no knowledge of the Holy Bible and, in reality, can not form any type of intelligent comparison of it against any other literary works.