Sorry Gerry, I guess I took post #82 wrong. I guess when I saw the word "simpleton" I thought you were implying that I was one.
Further Explanations for Ancient Flood Myth
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Sorry Gerry, I guess I took post #82 wrong. I guess when I saw the word "simpleton" I thought you were implying that I was one.
You will take me seriously when! I can hardly control my bladder. You are the very backbone of human ignorance on the subject at hand. Cardinal Sinister, has a nice ring to it eh. You profess a profound belief in the big bang, you are an expansionist, you revere black holes and dark energy, all the G church dogma you can eat passes over your gums completely unimpeded by decades old repeated and repeated again falsification of the entire physical foundations of your religious beliefs. One would think that would be enough but no wait there's more, there's your crowning glory, iceing on your conjured cake, you say you can do the math for all these constructs of crayons and paper.
You take pains to reveal my ignorance, which I have, from the first, made perfectly and unashamedly clear to all. In my opinion realization of ones near complete ignorance in the face of the infinity of nature is the very apex of self realization, a solid place you have obviously not come to yet. Take heed fellow traveler at the weight of false gold strapped to your back as you trudge through your lesson.
We now return to the regular sunday service, please turn to hymn 27, The Emaculate Bleeding Lamb of Gravity.
Next weeks sermon, The Global Joy and Love of Bankers
Reading the bilbe and understanding are two different things. Some people don't /can't understand so they get a guy in a robe or a woman in a suit to repeat the misguided version they wer told as children.
The instructions on how to find spirituality are in there and it works. Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Buddha, several Hindu gods, Native Shamas and Mohammad all used the same technique and were all overwhelmed and overjoyed by it. Dig it up and try sometime. Your mind body and spirit with thank you for it in ways you never dreamed.
I guess we can take that to mean you can't back up your crap then...
Good to know, although, there really was never any real doubt about that.
and I quoted your insult.
In reality, neither can the almighty dexter sinister. At least DB admits his ignorance, rather than wrapping himself in a cloak arrogance.
I don't know about that Gh, I read this thread straight through and it seems to me that Dex makes much sense on the matter.
It may not jive with the devout, but it seems more then just plausible to me, that the science that Dex has offer, that is clearly provable, outweighs the mythology that has nothing but lore and unquestioned belief backing it up.
And I mean no offense by any of that.
Of course not. Refering to the Holy Bible as being in the same realm as Alice in Wonderland is a compliment.:roll:
I'm talking over all, not just in respect to the Biblical flood. Science is NOT the be all and end all answer to everything.
It's a BOOK Gerry, you can insult people, you critique books. I don't see where it's insulting to give ones opinion of a book. Even where the author(s) are still alive, critiquing a book is acceptable. :smile:
gerryh; I'm talking over all said:
Who here has read the entire Bible and understands it's meaning and instructions on how to achieve peace in your heart and with the world around you, raise your hand.
I've never claimed it was, and no scientist worthy of the name would do so either. But it IS the answer to a lot of things, and if you want to make empirical claims about the nature of reality, like whether there ever was a global flood, or whether the universe is electric, or evolution is true, or the earth's rotational axis has ever flipped, and a whole lot of other things, science is what you need. It's the only reliable method we have for testing the truth content of claims, and it works very well where it's applicable.
Well said, I couldn't figure out how to answer that post, but you did an excellent job.
Maybe it's time you went on your spirit quest?
I read it, I didn't take all that from it though.
Every prophet, holy man, shaman etc etc worldwide have all done one thing. All have gone off alone and fasted in the dark until they were enlightened.
The temptation of Christ is detailed in the Canonical gospels of Matthew,[1] Mark,[2] and Luke.[3] It is also found in Aramaic Matthew. According to these texts, after being baptized, Jesus fasted for forty days and nights in the desert. During this time, the devil appeared to Jesus and tempted him. Jesus having refused each temptation, the devil departed and angels came and brought nourishment to Jesus.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Rajayatana Tree[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]During the seventh week, the Buddha meditated under the rajayatana tree. On the fiftieth morning, after seven weeks of fasting, two merchants came into his presence. They were called Tapussa and Bhallika. They offered the Buddha rice cakes and honey to break his fast and the Buddha told them some of what he had found in his enlightenment.[/FONT]
Born in 570 in the Arabian city of Mecca,[8] he was orphaned at an early age and brought up under the care of his uncle Abu Talib. He later worked mostly as a merchant, as well as a shepherd, and was first married by age 25. Discontented with life in Mecca, he retreated to a cave in the surrounding mountains for meditation and reflection. According to Islamic beliefs it was here, at age 40, in the month of Ramadan, where he received his first revelation from God. Three years after this event Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that "God is One", that complete "surrender" to Him (lit. islām) is the only way (dīn)[n 5] acceptable to God, and that he himself was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as other Islamic prophets.[6][9][10]
Moses stayed on the mountain for 40 days and nights, a period in which he received the Ten Commandments directly from God. Moses then descended from the mountain with intent to deliver the commandments to the people, but upon his arrival he saw that the people were involved in the sin of the Golden Calf. In terrible anger, Moses broke the commandment tablets[38] and ordered his own tribe (the Levites) to go through the camp and kill everyone, including family and friends,[39] upon which the Levites killed about 3000 people.[40] God later commanded Moses to inscribe two other tablets, to replace the ones Moses smashed,[41] so Moses went to the mountain again, for another period of 40 days and nights, and when he returned, the commandments were finally given.
A vision quest is a rite of passage, similiar to an initiation, in some Native American cultures. It is a turning point in life taken before puberty to find oneself and the intended spiritual and life direction. When an older child is ready, he or she will go on a personal, spiritual quest alone in the wilderness, often in conjunction with a period of fasting. This usually lasts for a number of days while the child is tuned into the spirit world. Usually, a Guardian animal will come in a vision or dream, and the child's life direction will appear at some point. The child returns to the tribe, and once the child has grown, will pursue that direction in life. After a vision quest, the child may apprentice an adult in the tribe of the shown direction (Medicine Man, boatmaker, etc).
"There's none so blind as those who will not see"
The Egyptians went as far as building mountains with isolation chambers for the pharohs to get their "vision". The Pyramids werent for burial but for the birth and freeing of the soul.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Rajayatana Tree[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]During the seventh week, the Buddha meditated under the rajayatana tree. On the fiftieth morning, after seven weeks of fasting, two merchants came into his presence. They were called Tapussa and Bhallika. They offered the Buddha rice cakes and honey to break his fast and the Buddha told them some of what he had found in his enlightenment.[/FONT]
Born in 570 in the Arabian city of Mecca,[8] he was orphaned at an early age and brought up under the care of his uncle Abu Talib. He later worked mostly as a merchant, as well as a shepherd, and was first married by age 25. Discontented with life in Mecca, he retreated to a cave in the surrounding mountains for meditation and reflection. According to Islamic beliefs it was here, at age 40, in the month of Ramadan, where he received his first revelation from God. Three years after this event Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that "God is One", that complete "surrender" to Him (lit. islām) is the only way (dīn)[n 5] acceptable to God, and that he himself was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as other Islamic prophets.[6][9][10]
Moses stayed on the mountain for 40 days and nights, a period in which he received the Ten Commandments directly from God. Moses then descended from the mountain with intent to deliver the commandments to the people, but upon his arrival he saw that the people were involved in the sin of the Golden Calf. In terrible anger, Moses broke the commandment tablets[38] and ordered his own tribe (the Levites) to go through the camp and kill everyone, including family and friends,[39] upon which the Levites killed about 3000 people.[40] God later commanded Moses to inscribe two other tablets, to replace the ones Moses smashed,[41] so Moses went to the mountain again, for another period of 40 days and nights, and when he returned, the commandments were finally given.
A vision quest is a rite of passage, similiar to an initiation, in some Native American cultures. It is a turning point in life taken before puberty to find oneself and the intended spiritual and life direction. When an older child is ready, he or she will go on a personal, spiritual quest alone in the wilderness, often in conjunction with a period of fasting. This usually lasts for a number of days while the child is tuned into the spirit world. Usually, a Guardian animal will come in a vision or dream, and the child's life direction will appear at some point. The child returns to the tribe, and once the child has grown, will pursue that direction in life. After a vision quest, the child may apprentice an adult in the tribe of the shown direction (Medicine Man, boatmaker, etc).
Did you find what you were looking for like Moses, Jesus, Buddha and Mohammad?
"There's none so blind as those who will not see"
The Egyptians went as far as building mountains with isolation chambers for the pharohs to get their "vision". The Pyramids werent for burial but for the birth and freeing of the soul.
That's the thing about a spirit quest, it isn't about looking for something, it's about finding what you need.
You may think you know what it is you are looking for, you may think you need to find this or that, but in the end, what you find is what was meant to be. Not necessarily what you want.
Here, read this...
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/spirituality-philosophy/54957-how-i-became-ohkwai.html
Ya, my Grandfather just made me chop wood until I was ready to fall over, deprived me a food and drink for a day, had me smoke a pipe with tobacco, wintergreen, bear berry and gimson weed in it, before doing a sweat lodge.
Heat makes you see funny things when it's done right.
Rather than focus on Dex other than to say he seems to have diverted from the original narrative which was water coming down from above in the form of rain that falls on the high hills and on the mountain tops. The version he is promoting does not have the rain playing any part. The water rose from sea level until it was 29,000 ft higher, and (the science part) water always seek it's own level the Bible is anti proven science. That science holds water until a puff of wind comes along. Science should be used to determine how fast the water level rose. 20ft in 40 days is 6" per day. A monsoon is the closest we have to sustained rains, all I know is it helps umbrella sales so it is more than a shower. One spring it did drizzle for 6 weeks between when the clouds rolled in and when they rolled back again so the 40 days is not unheard of. There would be an archived local paper headline.
Sticking to the script isn't going to 'prove' anything but it does bring it closer to the realm of being possible. Even the 'Red Sea' is possible if the water being moved is the narrows in the Bittern Lake. A strong wind from the east blowing all night could lower the level so a person could wade across, Wet sand is as hard as pavement intill a current starts to flow then the sand is sucked out from underfoot and at chest height walking for man and horse ends. That is scientifically more possible than the Red Sea being trenched with wall of water 100's of ft tall. The Bible never describes anything like that (100s of feet) yet that is the 'common story'. If the wind was able to lower the water level 10ft to a depth of the ankle would that be 'dry ground?
Bible Map: Pi-hahiroth
Ex:14:22:
And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground:
and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand,
and on their left.