Further Explanations for Ancient Flood Myth

[MHz]

Yeah, on re-reading Bar's post I have to agree with that. Creationists might also argue that a global flood would have caused large changes in temperature and salinity too, which would do a lot of damage to marine organisms, but I haven't seen anything that intelligent from them. Besides, the record shows at least five major extinction events separated by tens of millions, sometimes hundreds of millions, of years. But I suppose someone who believes the planet is only 6 to 10 thousand years old won't be impressed by the facts.

The total rise of the Oceans is more than 400ft from the peak of the ice. Noah's flood would only account for a 5ft rise in the Ocean levels if the RAIN was from the ice melting. That isn't enough to change the salinity of the Oceans to any great extent, compared to a 400 ft rise. How much would the salinity rise from that drop in water levels?

You (non-believers) should get the method of how the water was delivered before claiming the flood was a runoff/rising method rather than rainfall.

If the last ice-age meant the Ocean levels were 400ft lower how much would that raise the salinity of salt water? That didn't seem to end life in all the Oceans.

I declared I was god and nobody remembered the next day! I guess people have selective memories.

That is always the case when you forget to provide any example to backup your words.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You (non-believers) should get the method of how the water was delivered before claiming the flood was a runoff/rising method rather than rainfall.

Hardly seems relevant, since the water never was delivered, but the OT myth implies it was both.

 

[MHz]

Hardly seems relevant, since the water never was delivered, but the OT myth implies it was both.

Ge:7:12, says rain fell for 40 days and 40 nights, that is hardly an implication of anything but just rain. I won't bother asking you about how the tallest mountain can get 22ft of water without it coming from the sky.


I would like your answer to the salinity when you drop the ocean levels 400ft, could marine life live through that change as they have apparently survived the drop for the last great ice-age.

 

[JLM]

Ge:7:12, says rain fell for 40 days and 40 nights, that is hardly an implication of anything but just rain. I won't bother asking you about how the tallest mountain can get 22ft of water without it coming from the sky.


I would like your answer to the salinity when you drop the ocean levels 400ft, could marine life live through that change as they have apparently survived the drop for the last great ice-age.

Do you actually believe all of this "Who shot John"? :lol:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Ge:7:12, says rain fell for 40 days and 40 nights, that is hardly an implication of anything but just rain. I won't bother asking you about how the tallest mountain can get 22ft of water without it coming from the sky.

7:11 says the fountains of the great deep were broken up, which sounds like an inundation overland.

I would like your answer to the salinity when you drop the ocean levels 400ft, could marine life live through that change as they have apparently survived the drop for the last great ice-age.

No point in answering a question when you've already answered it. 7:20 says the mountains were covered, which is a rise in water level of about 25,000 feet above current levels. That would require many times the volume of water currently on the earth, so maybe you could explain where it all came from and where it all went.

 

[petros]

Maybe someday the solar system will pass through the same ice field in space that several cultures talked about 5200 years ago. It would be neat to see a serpent puke water from the heavens like the Mayans, Incan, Heebs, Hindus, Egyptians and Chinamen all talk about in "myth".

 

[MHz]

7:11 says the fountains of the great deep were broken up, which sounds like an inundation overland. No point in answering a question when you've already answered it. 7:20 says the mountains were covered, which is a rise in water level of about 25,000 feet above current levels. That would require many times the volume of water currently on the earth, so maybe you could explain where it all came from and where it all went.

That only means you took it that way, wouldn't evaporation also qualify as 'ocean level' would be the source of the moisture that the clouds let loose?

By making it just rain, as the Bible indicates, then your 25,000 ft of 'required water' sort of bites the dust, so to speak.

22ft of rain requires no increase in water anywhere on earth, only the relocation of a fairly small part of all the water that was available back then, same amount as we have today.

Maybe someday the solar system will pass through the same ice field in space that several cultures talked about 5200 years ago. It would be neat to see a serpent puke water from the heavens like the Mayans, Incan, Heebs, Hindus, Egyptians and Chinamen all talk about in "myth".

It didn't work out all that well for the earth in the past (snow from the heavens rather than the serpent part.

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[Dexter Sinister]

That only means you took it that way, wouldn't evaporation also qualify as 'ocean level' would be the source of the moisture that the clouds let loose?

If you can take "the fountains of the great deep were broken up" as indicating evaporation, then obviously you're going to twist the words to mean whatever you want them to mean, as you usually do: literally when it suits your purposes, metaphorically otherwise.

By making it just rain, as the Bible indicates, then your 25,000 ft of 'required water' sort of bites the dust, so to speak.

Not at all. The OT clearly states the mountains of the earth were covered by the flood, and actually it's more than I thought, I just looked it up. The peak of Everest is over 29,000 feet above current sea level. The volume of the oceans is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers, to cover the earth to the depth of Mt. Everest would require about another 4.5 billion cubic kilometers. Try again: where did that volume of water come from, and where did it go?

 

[petros]

You should know that every hole we drill in the earth we always find moisture but there is no way in hell I'll agree with the Heeb version of the flood. Other bible silliness like water above and below the firmament is easily explained. Lakes do indeed sit above the firmament and far above sea level.

 

[MHz]

If you can take "the fountains of the great deep were broken up" as indicating evaporation, then obviously you're going to twist the words to mean whatever you want them to mean, as you usually do: literally when it suits your purposes, metaphorically otherwise.

If an ice-sheet is broken up can evaporation be the method?

Not at all. The OT clearly states the mountains of the earth were covered by the flood, and actually it's more than I thought, I just looked it up. The peak of Everest is over 29,000 feet above current sea level. The volume of the oceans is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers, to cover the earth to the depth of Mt. Everest would require about another 4.5 billion cubic kilometers. Try again: where did that volume of water come from, and where did it go?

It also says rain was the mechanism that created the flood. What flood could ever push water uphill?

Same answer I have given you since the first thread about the flood. Evaporation and then rain do not require any increase in the volume of water that was on the earth. The end of the rain did let the survives see the blue sky for the first time.

If you are looking for a true 'God particle' then you have to consider that when the rain did stop the water (22.5 ft) stayed just where it was for 150 days. That same dept was on Everest (and all other mountains) but it also covered the hills at the same depth, no more, no less, literally.

You should know that every hole we drill in the earth we always find moisture but there is no way in hell I'll agree with the Heeb version of the flood. Other bible silliness like water above and below the firmament is easily explained. Lakes do indeed sit above the firmament and far above sea level.

The above part are clouds. The firmament is the division between liquid water and evaporated water.

 

[JLM]

Wouldn't it be reasonable before discussing HOW something happened to concern ourselves about IF it happened. I think since "Alice in Wonderland" was written since the Bible there is probably more truth in it. The amount of water in the world NEVER changes so it's preposterous to entertain the thought that it at any time covered Mt. Everest. :lol:

 

[petros]

If an ice-sheet is broken up can evaporation be the method?



It also says rain was the mechanism that created the flood. What flood could ever push water uphill?

Same answer I have given you since the first thread about the flood. Evaporation and then rain do not require any increase in the volume of water that was on the earth. The end of the rain did let the survives see the blue sky for the first time.

If you are looking for a true 'God particle' then you have to consider that when the rain did stop the water (22.5 ft) stayed just where it was for 150 days. That same dept was on Everest (and all other mountains) but it also covered the hills at the same depth, no more, no less, literally.


The above part are clouds. The firmament is the division between liquid water and evaporated water.

Thats malarky. There is good reason that Hovind is in the cooler for imaginative ideals. Do you know of a lake that is below sea level that isn't saline like Dead Sea or Salton Sea?

 

[MHz]

Wouldn't it be reasonable before discussing HOW something happened to concern ourselves about IF it happened. I think since "Alice in Wonderland" was written since the Bible there is probably more truth in it. The amount of water in the world NEVER changes so it's preposterous to entertain the thought that it at any time covered Mt. Everest. :lol:

Not the best example to use once you watch the vid everything you thought you knew is upturned lol.
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It is true that the amount of water the earth has has been there from the end of day 4, evaporation and condensation do not require any increase/decrease in the water volume on the earth, only a redistribution of where it is on the earth.
Is there snow on Everest today? Who packed it up there and to all the other mountains in the world today?

 

[petros]

It is true that the amount of water the earth has has been there from the end of day 4, evaporation and condensation do not require any increase/decrease in the water volume on the earth, only a redistribution of where it is on the earth.

I'm glad the earth has never been hit with water bearing comets. Could you imagine the catastrophy? They would have annihilated a vast majority of life in just a few minutes.

 

[MHz]

Do you know of a lake that is below sea level that isn't saline like Dead Sea or Salton Sea?

Care to explain the salt under the Great Lakes or that salt dome near the GOM blowout?

Needless to say I doubt anybody has figured out the salinity of the water in the link below.
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catastrophy

lol, I hope you did more than that on your vacation

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If an ice-sheet is broken up can evaporation be the method?

No. Ice doesn't evaporate.

Same answer I have given you since the first thread about the flood. Evaporation and then rain do not require any increase in the volume of water that was on the earth. The end of the rain did let the survives see the blue sky for the first time.

If you are looking for a true 'God particle' then you have to consider that when the rain did stop the water (22.5 ft) stayed just where it was for 150 days. That same dept was on Everest (and all other mountains) but it also covered the hills at the same depth, no more, no less, literally.

Do you not see the implications of what you're claiming? All the contours of the earth's surface were covered to a depth of 22.5 feet (I assume that's your interpretation of the Bible's 15 cubits), so the surface of the water followed the elevation contours exactly, 22.5 feet above them. Water doesn't behave that way, its surface will always be level. If you want to cover Everest to a depth of 22.5 feet, you need water 22.5 feet above Everest's height all over the planet.

Wouldn't it be reasonable before discussing HOW something happened to concern ourselves about IF it happened.

Yes, but I think part of what the discussion's about is what else has to be true IF it happened and showing that those things aren't true, therefore it didn't happen.

 

[MHz]

Do you not see the implications of what you're claiming? All the contours of the earth's surface were covered to a depth of 22.5 feet (I assume that's your interpretation of the Bible's 15 cubits), so the surface of the water followed the elevation contours exactly, 22.5 feet above them. Water doesn't behave that way, its surface will always be level. If you want to cover Everest to a depth of 22.5 feet, you need water 22.5 feet above Everest's height all over the planet.

That appears to be what happened, according to the words in the book. I can accept that God could hold back the water from following gravity. That is one method that would make the Ark float if only rain was involved. That doesn't mean the Ark didn't follow gravity once it was floating. (along with everything else that could float) That would also be the most 'survivable' situation for the Ark which was a raft rather than Ocean going vessel.

Yes, but I think part of what the discussion's about is what else has to be true IF it happened and showing that those things aren't true, therefore it didn't happen.

Does the 150 days before any 'decrease' in depth qualify as 'what else' was going on? That part seems to have taken quite some time so it was 'gentle' compared to what a lot of rain in the mountains would usually brings these days. (at a 6" rain over several days)

 

[Avro]

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[petros]

Care to explain the salt under the Great Lakes or that salt dome near the GOM blowout?

Where did the halite dome come from? Very simple. 5999 years and 364 days ago continents rose out the oceans which created several inland seas, as rain washed the halites out of the rocks into masses called evaporates. These evaporates were then covered over by sediments as the rains and aeolian forces kept eroding the granitic continents. Since halite isn't as dense as the surrounding country rock it pushes it's way out from the depths creating salt domes. Utah has some amazing sandstone and metamorphic strata that are overlaid by basaltic extrusions and pyroclastics during the formation of the Nor Am cordillera which makes up the Sierra Nevadas and Rocky mtns as the pacific plate slide under the continental shelf. The ancient metamorphic provides Utah with a good income from the uranium formed under the intense heat, pressure and depth required to create such beautiful rock.

Ever been to Utah? There are some fantastic road cuts on Rte 24 that show wild faults and folds. If you ever do, stop and split open a rock sometime and give it a lick. It's still salty.

Hoodoo you think you are trying to fool?

Are archives where Noah kept the bees?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

That appears to be what happened, according to the words in the book.

Yeah, well that's the problem, isn't it. You promote a hypothesis that's physically impossible and invoke supernatural intervention to explain it, which doesn't explain anything, it just makes reality capricious and inconsistent and attempts to understand it (i.e. science) pointless, if not impossible. People like you never see the logical implications of what you're claiming, in fact you make a mockery of logic and continue to insist some Bronze Age desert tribe's mythology trumps the evidence.