Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

[Cliffy]

And Mr Hussein was your buddy until he decided to tell you where to get off.

 

[ironsides]

And Mr Hussein was your buddy until he decided to tell you where to get off.

Never mine, he told the UN where to get off. Daddy Bush played by the UN rules and Saddam killed a couple hundred thousand more. Sure your right, just sit back and watch.

 

[Colpy]

i'm pretty sure the rampant and vast suffering in Iraq never reached these proportions with Saddam in charge.



Radical Islam is not going to take over the world. The vast majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists. The sooner you realize this the sooner you'll calm the hell down and ease up on your anti-muslim rhetoric.

Wrong.

Read about chemical attacks on the Kurds, (gee, no WMD there!) the genocide of the marsh Arabs of the south, the children's prison, and Saddam's secret police........I'm not gonna give you links, as it seems you couldn't be bothered looking at them..

That's OK, having made up your mind, you don't wish to be confused with the facts........typical of the human condition.

Movements that become dominant are never led, or inspired by the mass, but by the few............all the "moderates" have to do is stand by until they are needed, and when the coice becomes inevitable, they will choose "submission" (Islam)

Radical Islam could not exist without the tolerance of a large part of the Muslim world.....indeed, the encouragement of much of that world.

Ask Ms. Ali. She knows. Look at France. Or the Netherlands.........they are slipping fast.

How many countries with majority Muslim populations are tolerant, free democracies???

There is a clash of civilizations.....a slide back to the Dark Ages...........and you had best wake up to it.....

And yes, the wolves (of one kind or another) are always at the door.

 

[CUBert]

"Mr. Hussein's has been a tale of terror that scholars have compared to that of Stalin, whom the Iraqi leader is said to revere, even if his own brutalities have played out on a small scale. Stalin killed 20 million of his own people, historians have concluded. Even on a proportional basis, his crimes far surpass Mr. Hussein's, but figures of a million dead Iraqis, in war and through terror, may not be far from the mark, in a country of 22 million people."

http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2003/ajan/27_saddam.html

Do you really need to me counter this with the atrocities the Americans committed that would make this look like child's play? It might be too extreme for these forums to handle.

Wrong.

Read about chemical attacks on the Kurds, (gee, no WMD there!) the genocide of the marsh Arabs of the south, the children's prison, and Saddam's secret police........I'm not gonna give you links, as it seems you couldn't be bothered looking at them..

That's OK, having made up your mind, you don't wish to be confused with the facts........typical of the human condition.

Movements that become dominant are never led, or inspired by the mass, but by the few............all the "moderates" have to do is stand by until they are needed, and when the coice becomes inevitable, they will choose "submission" (Islam)

Radical Islam could not exist without the tolerance of a large part of the Muslim world.....indeed, the encouragement of much of that world.

Ask Ms. Ali. She knows. Look at France. Or the Netherlands.........they are slipping fast.

How many countries with majority Muslim populations are tolerant, free democracies???

There is a clash of civilizations.....a slide back to the Dark Ages...........and you had best wake up to it.....

And yes, the wolves (of one kind or another) are always at the door.

What the hell? You've lost your mind completely.

 

[Unforgiven]

No, Iraq has never seen such anarchy and chaos that the Americans have brought upon them.

So you're saying that the Americans are making the Iraqis kill each other?

How do you propose they do that? Plenty of muslims have spoken out against fanaticism, but beyond that what can they do? Why doesn't the Pope, and other Catholics do a better job getting rid of the pedophile priests who infest churches worldwide?

Many more simply keep it to themselves. We aren't talking about Catholic paedophiles here we're talking about Iran and those insane Qu'ran mis-quoting bible thumpers putting people to death and wanting to get Nukes so they can launch them at Israel while the rest of the Muslim world keeps saying be patient and respectful of our religion.

 

[gopher]

''In order to justify international action, the nations involved need only be convinced that a threat to them exists.''

You obviously do not know what you're talking about. Contrary to what you wish to believe or what you have seen on the Fox network, there must be clear and convincing evidence of a threat to warrant international intervention.


''No dodging the question.''

Republican ally Suharto killed THREE TIMES as many people as did Saddam but nobody demanded that an international force kill him for his crimes. The rational being that a country solves its own problems. Since that was the standard for fascist dictator Suharto, then it must be the same for Saddam or for democratically elected Ahmadinejad.

 

[Cliffy]

''In order to justify international action, the nations involved need only be convinced that a threat to them exists.''

You obviously do not know what you're talking about. Contrary to what you wish to believe or what you have seen on the Fox network, there must be clear and convincing evidence of a threat to warrant international intervention.


''No dodging the question.''

Republican ally Suharto killed THREE TIMES as many people as did Saddam but nobody demanded that an international force kill him for his crimes. The rational being that a country solves its own problems. Since that was the standard for fascist dictator Suharto, then it must be the same for Saddam or for democratically elected Ahmadinejad.

OOPS! Bringing logical and rational thought to an emotionally charged free for all seems to have brought it to a screeching halt.

But... but... Hussein told the Yanks to stuff it so he had to be eliminated... right? Or, it was about the oil after all.

The chaos in Iraq is because the invasion destabilized the country. Bad ass or not, Hussein kept a lid on the violence (even if he did initiate some of his own), he kept order in his country. Now you just have pandemonium thanks to Dubbya and Dr. Strangelove.

 

[Goober]

And, the 100 000, or so, Iraqis who died were tyrants too?

No they were not - Now were the 4000 a month that Sdamm was executing on average.

 

[gopher]

''Hussein kept a lid on the violence (even if he did initiate some of his own), he kept order in his country.''

That is correct contrary to the myths reported by the delusionals on this forum. Moreover, Saddam protected Christians and Jews against persecution from radicalized Muslims. Today, almost all of these unfortunates have fled the country thanks to Bush's invasion.

 

[Colpy]

''In order to justify international action, the nations involved need only be convinced that a threat to them exists.''

You obviously do not know what you're talking about. Contrary to what you wish to believe or what you have seen on the Fox network, there must be clear and convincing evidence of a threat to warrant international intervention.


''No dodging the question.''

Republican ally Suharto killed THREE TIMES as many people as did Saddam but nobody demanded that an international force kill him for his crimes. The rational being that a country solves its own problems. Since that was the standard for fascist dictator Suharto, then it must be the same for Saddam or for democratically elected Ahmadinejad.

OOPS! Bringing logical and rational thought to an emotionally charged free for all seems to have brought it to a screeching halt.

But... but... Hussein told the Yanks to stuff it so he had to be eliminated... right? Or, it was about the oil after all.

The chaos in Iraq is because the invasion destabilized the country. Bad ass or not, Hussein kept a lid on the violence (even if he did initiate some of his own), he kept order in his country. Now you just have pandemonium thanks to Dubbya and Dr. Strangelove.

''Hussein kept a lid on the violence (even if he did initiate some of his own), he kept order in his country.''

That is correct contrary to the myths reported by the delusionals on this forum. Moreover, Saddam protected Christians and Jews against persecution from radicalized Muslims. Today, almost all of these unfortunates have fled the country thanks to Bush's invasion.

Sorry, but my BSTL was passed (BS Tolerance Level)....I'm calmer now....

So, Gopher, you think nations judge their actions and their own best interests on international law? I bet you believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy as well.......give me a break. International Law is a joke, less than a joke......

A point given about Suharto, God knows I'd like to bump off every tin-pot murdering dictator on earth, but you got to choose your battles. Indonesia, btw, is doing relatively well as a western ally now that that prick is gone. And the idiot in Iran is no longer democratically elected....just ask the opposition......oh, sorry. They are mostly intimidated, dead, or in prison enjoying the company of the regime's torturers.

Yes Saddam protected Christians.......but Jews? Don't make me laugh....

The Jews of Iraq

Saddam was a monster.....at least now Iraq has the chance to build a decent state.......

 

[gopher]

Colpy - you need to stop reading Zionist propaganda and do your homework by studying REAL Jewish thinkers such as this:

YouTube - Aljazeera - Saddam and Jews

''Had Saddam been here in 1948-1952, Jews would have stayed''


'' International Law is a joke, less than a joke......

Considering how the UN timidly looked the other way when Bush invaded Iraq, I have to say that for once you are correct.

 

[petros]

Oh the poor ****ing useless Jews again...Boo hoo.

 

[gopher]

Real Jews such as the Mizrahim (Oriental or Persian Jews) are loyal to Ahmadinejad as has been pointed on this forum previously. That's a point Colpy has ignored much to his chagrin.

 

[petros]

It's okay. The ignorant golem will serve their purpose for the time being and then...

 

[Unforgiven]

Oh the poor ****ing useless Jews again...Boo hoo.

It should be pointed out that a lot more useful things come out of Israel than come out of Iran. So if Jews are useless, what must that say about Iranians.

 

[CUBert]

It should be pointed out that a lot more useful things come out of Israel than come out of Iran. So if Jews are useless, what must that say about Iranians.

Hey moron, are you going to insult all Iranians because of their government? Americans are all worthless if we take that approach.
And many greats things have come from Persia, they have a rich history and a fascinating culture. You know what culture is right? Probably not, you are an uncultured monkey perhaps.

 

[Goober]

''Hussein kept a lid on the violence (even if he did initiate some of his own), he kept order in his country.''

That is correct contrary to the myths reported by the delusionals on this forum. Moreover, Saddam protected Christians and Jews against persecution from radicalized Muslims. Today, almost all of these unfortunates have fled the country thanks to Bush's invasion.

Myths are your beliefs I would say. In particular how you define "Some" perhaps you should look deep inside of yourself before you start condemning others for bringing his Crimes against Humanity to the public view. But I guess with hating Bush you can gloss that over with such an ignorant comment as "Some"

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/saddam_hussein.htm

The Horrors of Abu Ghraib by Robert Alt

But for fellow survivor Basim S. Ameer, there was greater importance in meeting with the press that day: he wanted the whole world to know about the injustice committed against him and his colleagues by Saddam.

Yet the systematic torture of these and countless other men in Abu Ghraib and the 300,000 Iraqis in mass graves have proven less newsworthy than the ultra vires acts of a few American soldiers who abused Iraqi detainees. Perhaps this is because the world holds America to a higher standard—

 

[Colpy]

Real Jews such as the Mizrahim (Oriental or Persian Jews) are loyal to Ahmadinejad as has been pointed on this forum previously. That's a point Colpy has ignored much to his chagrin.

Yes, the Persian Shia are not quite as likely to go off on a Jew murdering spree......

And yes, the 25,000 remaining Jews support the current President, because they fear the alternatives may be even more looney.

In fact, the Persian Jews so love Iran that only 70% have fled since 1979.........(sarcasm alert!)

And the Iranian gov't so loves the Jews that they will not issue them multiple-exit visas, nor allow an entire family to exit the country at once..........and the national press has twice seen fit to publish The Protocols of the Elders of Zion twice since 1994........and we know how near and dear that is to Jewish hearts!

Geez, I am consistently gobsmacked at how you guys can twist the truth........

 

[CUBert]

Yet the systematic torture of these and countless other men in Abu Ghraib and the 300,000 Iraqis in mass graves have proven less newsworthy than the ultra vires acts of a few American soldiers who abused Iraqi detainees. Perhaps this is because the world holds America to a higher standard—

Wow , you really believe that America's only crime in the Iraqi war has been a couple abused detainees?

 

[petros]

And yes, the 25,000 remaining Jews support the current President, because they fear the alternatives may be even more looney.

How many thousands of years have they been living there through all sorts of govt's, kings, religious beliefs and dictatorships and now all of a sudden they have to kiss ass?

Pfffb!