"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Mathew 5:10
See, I'll be OK.
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"Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Mathew 5:10
See, I'll be OK.
That makes a load of sense :-?
Got anything updated in modern English?
Again, English?
Shall not rule one over another with rigour huh?
Too bad many seemed to have missed that little nugget.
My point was that you aren't even in an organization and you can already list the threats you'd percieve as worthy of violent retaliation. Now, factor in that not everyone has the same view of 'threat to freedom' that you do, atheist or otherwise.
As for fault, instigation, etc., that's a moot point. Humanity has a history of violence. Period.
And just that simply, you've justified retalliation and violence. It's pretty easy hey? Now imagine if there were twenty of you in a room, patting one another on the back.
Try This...
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."
Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
I guess I could just multi quote everything you have said so far.....instead....I'll say that I agree with everything you said and I have nothing to add.....Thanks;-)
Mao Tse Tung, Stalin, FLQ,... Ah hell, this might be easier:
List of serial killers by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gilles de Rais: 15th century satanist and child killer (400 killed)
Ooops....one was a satanist:lol:
I'm entertaining your hypothetical with more hypotheticals..... what I perceive or think may or may not happen doesn't really matter, nor is it any means of proof that anything would happen in the first place...... nor is any of this any type of justified argument against them being freely able to form their own organization if they so wish.
The point being, which you seem to continually miss, is that any violent attacks or infringement on anybody's rights, regardless if they're in an organization or not, those people being infringed upon or receiving violent attacks from a particular group are more then within their own rights to defend themselves.
Don't want retaliation?
Don't start sh*t in the first place...... pretty simple.
Oh, nice way of passing blame and ignoring responsibility for the religion you adhere to...... oh so other people were violent in the past, so Christians, Jewish and Muslim people are well within their rights to continue violence?
Ok.... then so can Atheists..... see how that works?
Since Atheists in general / as a whole haven't resorted to such tactics that your religion and other religions have used in the past.... your whole argument about the threat of atheists organizing is what's really Moot.
It doesn't matter if there was 20, 100 or a thousand.... with the limited parameters of my hypothetical scenario based around defense against violence instigated by another group, it'd be no different then someone picking a fight with me, hits me a couple of times and I in turn make them into a bloody pile of pulp on the ground.
Everybody in this country has the right to defend themselves when their lives, freedoms or rights are infringed..... that's law..... oh but because it might be atheists defending themselves, suddenly they're in the wrong and only religious people are allowed to do that stuff.... and more. :roll:
Fk'n hypocrisy.
And I'd feel a lot more safe in a room of 20 people who think exactly like me, then I would with thousands of religious people all patting themselves on the back when they hear a terrorist blew up a city block killing dozens of infidels........ or a bunch of Christians patting each other on the back when they hear an air strike wiped out dozens of evil doers...... since those 20 people thinking exactly like me wouldn't inflict violence or oppress anybody's rights unless they were attacked/oppressed first.
Since most Atheist groups and individual atheists don't attack, oppress or threaten anybody else based solely on their personal spiritual beliefs, or lack there of...... all you're doing is fear mongering and making up imaginary arguments to some how make your religion not look so bad.
Sorry, but I'm not buying it..... and since I spent 20 some years in the same religion as you, you're not fooling me on the reality of things.
No, I'm saying there has been violence in the past, so the justification already exists for atheists to get violent in return. And even if it didn't exist in the past, some lunatic would find a way to start it. It's humanity. Either you rise above it, or you use it as justification. I choose to rise above it, but, all it takes is one moron not to, and bang, you have violence in the name of an organization.
Regardless, you're simply driving home the point I'm making. An atheist organization would be prone to the same human flaws and justifications that Christian organizations are.
That's not the point..... the point is to show me examples where people did the above based on their atheist beliefs.
There are plenty of Christians and Muslims who ended up killing/abusing many people for reasons other then their spiritual beliefs..... I don't care about those people because they're not part of the equation being debated..... it's those who act on their spiritual beliefs to conduct violent or oppressive acts against other people different from them.
The FLQ wanted an independent Quebec.... the others you noted did what they did mostly for political or military reasons during a war..... that doesn't make what any of them did right..... but unless you can tie Atheism to the offensive acts they conducted, this is all a waste of time and proves nothing.
Marxism was the ultimate humanist, atheist religion.
100 million dead in the 20th century.
Nobody else could hold a candle to that.
Not even the followers of the pedophile war monger.
And so too is a Girl Guides group..... or a Teacher's Union...... but that's not the point I'm talking about...... I'm talking about "Human Flaws" tied to spiritual beliefs or lack of spiritual beliefs.
Will a Christian blow up an abortion clinic because their spiritual beliefs tell them it's the right thing to do? It's happened before.
Will an Atheist blow up a church because their lack of spiritual beliefs tell them it's the right thing to do? No, because there's nothing telling them that's the right thing to do...... Atheists only have one main thing telling them what's right and what's wrong...... the Law. Since blowing up a church full of people would be illegal.... it's wrong, and thus they won't do it.
A Christian however, has the justification of God behind them and will use that justification as being above the law since it comes from God or their religious up bringing...... and thus, more inclined to act on those violent thoughts.
Not all.... but generally speaking, the factor exists, thus the possibility is greater.
Trying to pin a group of Atheists as being the same as a Group of Christians just doesn't make sense.
Marxism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
^ Funny, I don't see anything in there in regards to Atheism....... and towards anything relating to Religion, only Marxism-Leninism focuses on that.... so perhaps next time you should be a little more specific rather then generalizing Marxism ~ Which is more a Political System then it is an Atheist system in itself.
And if you're going to try and claim Atheists follow/believe in the Marxism system, you're stretching just as much as Karrie..... considering political systems can be supported or hated by anybody of any spiritual beliefs.
And I'm sure if you tally all those who died in the name of someone's God over the centuries..... Witch hunts, the Crusades, Sacrifices, Punishments of Death for people who committed a Sin or rather then death, mutilated and/or tortured..... the oppression and take over of African nations and others around the world and forcing religious beliefs on the local populous and killing or making examples out of those who don't snap sh*t....... That 100 Million dead you cited that occurred in one century due to a political system would just be a drop in the bucket.
And you're still ignoring the point I have been trying to explain since this all began..... so there's no further point in discussing this with you.
Hitler: Catholic (Christian)
Mussolini: Catholic (Christian)
Hussein: Moslem
Henry VIII Anglican (Christian)
etc
You're right, Captain, it is easy.
What I've condensed from it is, you think atheists wouldn't be violent like some religious have been in the past. I've pointed out why that assumption is flawed.
So it is, Hermite, I also read it as "Physics", must be an optical delusion. :lol:
