If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

dattaswami

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Jesus & the lady who applied costly scent to Him


Once, a lady was worshipping Jesus by applying a costly scent to Him. A disciple of Jesus criticized this and stated that the cost of the scent would have been spent for feeding the beggars. Jesus condemned the disciple and accepted her service. The reason for such personal service is that she is in the path of Nivrutti. She desires only the Lord and is not interested in the social service. The followers of Nivrutti will even leave the justice for the sake of the Lord (Sarvadharman—Gita). Such souls reach the permanent divine abode of the Lord. One cannot compare Jesus with a rich man who is also enjoying a similar service. The rich man is not God and he has to please the Lord. The final goal is not his selfish pleasure. In the case of Jesus there is no other God whom he should please. The service done to Jesus protected that lady in this world as well as in the upper world. But the service done to the rich man cannot protect anybody.

Once a rich man approached Jesus and asked for his future duty in order to enter the Heaven. Jesus told him that he should give away all his money to the beggars. Jesus did not ask him to bring costly scent to be applied to Him. The rich man belongs to the level of Pravrutti and is interested in his personal upliftment and personal enjoyment in the heaven. He is not interested in Lord Jesus. Thus the Pravrutti and Nivrutti should be differentiated. The ignorant people who are unaware of this difference will mistake Jesus to be fond of the application of the scent by the tender hand of a beautiful lady.

The Lord is the fire of knowledge and any stick will be burnt to ashes. When the Lord comes in the human form, He plays with all the qualities existing in the universe. He created all the qualities only (Yechaiva Sattvikah—Gita) for His divine play meant for the entertainment. The Lord created even Satan. In a cinema the role of villain also exists and the actor of that role is also paid. Any quality that is used for the entertainment and pleasure of the Lord is good and sacred. Any quality that is turned towards selfish pleasure and these worldly bonds is bad and impure. The ultimate aim of this universe is only His entertainment. Even Satan is sacred since he is playing his role sincerely by testing the firm faith of the devotees.

You must hate his attraction for diverting you from the Lord but not the Satan. Jesus told that you should hate the sin but not the sinner. The Lord is beyond qualities because the qualities consist of the subtle body (Gunateetah—Gita). These qualities are tools of His divine play and He is not the subtle body. Therefore He is not the qualities and is untouched by them. A human being is the subtle body and is controlled by the qualities. He is a tool to the game played by the qualities (Nanyam Gunebhyah—Gita). The Lord uses the bad qualities as His mask so that the undeserving devotees do not approach Him for any favors. He is also using these bad qualities to test the firm faith of the sincere devotees. No human being can understand the Human incarnation. Every human being easily misunderstands the Lord in human form.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

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A criminal was sanctioned heaven by Lord Jesus. How?


On the cross, when Jesus is present in such a horrible condition, the two theives who were also crucified got the same universal doubt that how the Lord in human form is crucified who is crying loudly asking "Oh! Lord! Why did you leave Me?" This scene will clearly establish the doubt in the heart of any human being that Jesus cannot be the Lord. The doubt comes with a main point that why the Lord was unable to protect Himself and that How can He protect others? But the doubter should also think the scene in which Lord Jesus asked a dead body to become alive. Only the Lord has the power to give the life. Thus we find both the contradicting concepts of the Lord and the human body of the Lord.

The concept of the Lord attracts the human beings. The concept of the human body tests the human beings and filters the real devotee out of them. The second thief believed Holy Jesus as the Lord even in that pathetic condition. Such devotion is great and real. He did not show this belief when he saw the Holy Jesus raising the dead body. When a girl loved the son of a king who is in the disguise of a beggar, such love is great. When the king declares himself as the king, every girl loves him to marry and become the queen. The thief did not ask any worldly desire. He could have asked Holy Jesus to give Him the life itself and Holy Jesus could have given it because He is still the Lord even on the cross. The thief asked only protection in the upper world and did not ask for any materialistic boon.

Thus he is certainly a higher devotee also. He did not see any miracle and believed Holy Jesus as the Lord, who placed Himself in such a worst situation. The human incarnation is a game of the Lord (Narayana) and human body (Nara). The thief showed correct understanding of the human incarnation. The internal Lord is great and the external human body follows all the natural rules. A blade can cut even the shirt of a king. Even though his shirt is cut the king does not loose his powers and quality of kindness. The thief approached the internal Lord and the internal Lord assured the thief. This shows how realized soul the thief is? That is the highest test for the faith in the spirituality and so the thief deserves complete grace of the Lord. The other thief got confused the Lord with the human body. Like all the other human beings he thought if the shirt of a king is torn, the king lost all his powers.

Gita says that even the highest criminal is blessed by the Lord if he is a real devotee (Apichet Sa duracharah…..). The Lord considers the faith and devotion as the criteria and not the qualities of the devotee. We pay for the contents in the cup and not for the colour or material of the cup. Kannappa, a hunter was given salvation by Lord Shiva. The Lord sees the selfless sacrifice and faith, which are the fruits of real devotion and real knowledge. When Lakshmana became unconcious Rama was weeping. Hanuman brought the Sanjeevi Hill and saved Lakshmana. Rama expressed His gratefulness to Hanuman. In this scene even the audience will believe that Hanuman is God and Rama is a devotee. But Hanuman Himself declared that He could do the service by the grace of the Lord Rama only. This is a test for His faith and faith is the fruit of determination that comes out from the divine knowledge. Sacrifice is fruit of the devotion or love. Lord tests your faith and your sacrifice so that you will know in what stage of divine knowledge and devotion you are.
 

Cliffy

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The only sin is the sin of self hatred. Guilt is a form of self hatred. If you believe that you are created by a god and you think that you can do anything wrong then the fault lies with the manufacturer.

There is nothing that is not part of the creative force, the power that caused all the universes to come into existence. That power is present in a things, that is nothing is not or does not contain the same energy and power that caused the universes to come into being. Therefore it is impossible for any human to be without god, to do anything that is not part of god doing that thing. We are god like a molecule in your heart is you.

The concept of sin is a human invention, created to give some control over others. Those who spout off about the ravages of sin and the inevitable suffering it will cause are nothing more than salesmen for the controlling elite who wish to enslave humanity with fear. Dattaswami, you are nothing more than a salesman of fear and your posts are nothing more than spam.
 

El Barto

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How effin evil is that?
We are created with free will and yet we have to walk a fine line .....tho that lines seems to vary as to what that is . For one sin we get an eternity of damnation ....... Effin stupid deal that is to actually think up such a scheme.

That's like setting the Hampster free but shoot it if it goes in the kitchen !
Nothing Honorable or just in that. We have our own consceince and guilt to haunt us plus the judgement of others and then to top it off God?!!!!!!!!

Screw that , screw him or it or her.
at least the devil is straight up with yeah.

you look at this religious way of thinking and it is utter madness , total crap!
Filled with double standards, hypocracy and arrogance , religion it's self is a sin !
 

JLM

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How effin evil is that?
We are created with free will and yet we have to walk a fine line .....tho that lines seems to vary as to what that is . For one sin we get an eternity of damnation ....... Effin stupid deal that is to actually think up such a scheme.

That's like setting the Hampster free but shoot it if it goes in the kitchen !
Nothing Honorable or just in that. We have our own consceince and guilt to haunt us plus the judgement of others and then to top it off God?!!!!!!!!

Screw that , screw him or it or her.
at least the devil is straight up with yeah.

you look at this religious way of thinking and it is utter madness , total crap!
Filled with double standards, hypocracy and arrogance , religion it's self is a sin !

Right on Bart, this so called religion (I believe in religion) is just a "hammer" the "holier than thou" have to hold over the "unwashed's" heads to establish some authority and to be a weapon for bullying tactics. I wish one of the mods would ban the A&&holes. :smile: But that would fly in the face of Trudeau's precious Charter. :lol:
 

El Barto

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Right on Bart, this so called religion (I believe in religion) is just a "hammer" the "holier than thou" have to hold over the "unwashed's" heads to establish some authority and to be a weapon for bullying tactics. I wish one of the mods would ban the A&&holes. :smile: But that would fly in the face of Trudeau's precious Charter. :lol:
Trudeau in french means a puddle of water , with that , mud . Walk through that and that is what you get .....symbolic no?
 

taxslave

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All I got out of the rants from the self professed religious on here is that murder is a sin.SO why are so many religious people so intent on murdering anyone that does not believe in their god? Or in some cases just a different version of the same god?
 

DaSleeper

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Somewhere in this forum, between the bible thumpers who preach hell and perdition......and the atheists or would be atheists...who are probably that way because the first time they confessed to playing with themselves, the priest gave them a "Rosary" for penance, while they expected probably , three "Hail Mary's".....we have ninety percent of the population that is "normal";-)
 

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Somewhere in this forum, between the bible thumpers who preach hell and perdition......and the atheists or would be atheists...who are probably that way because the first time they confessed to playing with themselves, the priest gave them a "Rosary" for penance, while they expected probably , three "Hail Mary's".....we have ninety percent of the population that is "normal";-)

The other 10% of the population that is normal then would be in the aforementioned groups?
 

dattaswami

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Only by the command of God, one should become the spiritual preacher


The spiritual field is most important because it is related to the eternal welfare of the soul. If you mislead a soul in the spiritual path, that is the greatest sin and you will have to face the highest punishment in the hell. Never become a spiritual preacher through false ways and face the highest punishment. Only by the command of God, one should become the spiritual preacher as told by Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. The spiritual preacher must have the complete and correct knowledge. The incomplete correct knowledge is allowed if the students are up to that level only. But here also, you should expose the necessity of further level of knowledge.

A schoolteacher has a low degree that is required to that standard. But he should show the path to college and university after the school. He should not say that the school is the ultimate highest level. If he says like that, the student stops there only. But, the wrong knowledge, whether complete or partial is dangerous. To attain the complete and correct knowledge, you must analyze the scriptures with the most powerful logic and the latest science. Unless you complete this, do not enter the position of the spiritual preacher.

So, My dear friends! I am just an ordinary soul like anyone of you from the point of the material of body (Matter and energy) and soul (Pure awareness). I am lower than any soul on this earth from the point of the good deserving qualities of the soul (good qualities of Sattvam). I have Rajas and Tamas only with a trace of Sattvam because the three qualities have to co-exist always.

The devotion on God should be spontaneous. Love is in the heart and it shall come by its own without any force or compulsion. Knowing more and more about God is the spiritual effort. The devotion will increase by such effort, but love on God can only be spontaneous. I will give an example, if a boy asks his girl friend to have more and more love on him, is it not foolishness? Love should be complete, not partial and then only it becomes spontaneous. The love should withstand in troubles also. Even if the girl neglects him, still if he loves her, then it is the true spontaneous love. Likewise, in the case of God, even if one loves Him inspite of troubles or negligence from side of the God, then it is the real love, which is expressed spontaneously.

The devotion on God should be spontaneous. Love is in the heart and it shall come by its own without any force or compulsion. Knowing more and more about God is the spiritual effort. The devotion will increase by such effort, but love on God can only be spontaneous. I will give an example, if a boy asks his girl friend to have more and more love on him, is it not foolishness? Love should be complete, not partial and then only it becomes spontaneous. The love should withstand in troubles also. Even if the girl neglects him, still if he loves her, then it is the true spontaneous love. Likewise, in the case of God, even if one loves Him inspite of troubles or negligence from side of the God, then it is the real love, which is expressed spontaneously.

A devotee considers the acts of God in two angles. First is that, whatever God does is justice only. The second angle is that whatever acts done by God become the justice. In the first case, the devotee gives more importance to justice than the God. In the second case, this reverses. The second approach only can please God. God reveals the background after the test to such successful devotees. If any incident is linked to previous birth, in such case also, Lord will reveal the incidents of the previous birth to that devotee, who can accept those incidents by his belief. God can make the devotee understand the concept of previous birth to such devotee because He is omniscient and for Him everything is possible.

‘God cannot help the undeserving’. Why it is so?


The meaning of the statement is that if God excuses everybody irrespective of one’s acts, then every soul will do deeds, which are prohibited and undesirable. This makes God ineffective, partial and irresponsible. God is impartial. If somebody is punished for no reason also, how can it be tolerated? Punishment is only for transformation and it is as per the deeds committed by the souls. If the punishments are not there, then there is no need of mentioning ‘Liquid Fire’ in scriptures.
 

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‘God cannot help the undeserving’. Why it is so?


The meaning of the statement is that if God excuses everybody irrespective of one’s acts, then every soul will do deeds, which are prohibited and undesirable. This makes God ineffective, partial and irresponsible. God is impartial. If somebody is punished for no reason also, how can it be tolerated? Punishment is only for transformation and it is as per the deeds committed by the souls. If the punishments are not there, then there is no need of mentioning ‘Liquid Fire’ in scriptures.
How absolutely human of him. As mark Twain said, "And Man created god in his own image."
 

petros

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Proteins carbohydrates and minerals are slaves to a universal energy then enables what we call "life". Does that energy have a divine source or are the reactive proteins, carbohydates minerals of "life" linked together through this energy and share uncountable reactions to uncountable points of stimuli that form a common bond of fear or kinship (love?) within the safety of the earth's magnetosphere?
 
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petros

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A schoolteacher has a low degree that is required to that standard. But he should show the path to college and university after the school. He should not say that the school is the ultimate highest level. If he says like that, the student stops there only. But, the wrong knowledge, whether complete or partial is dangerous. To attain the complete and correct knowledge, you must analyze the scriptures with the most powerful logic and the latest science. Unless you complete this, do not enter the position of the spiritual preacher.
How do you educate a child for an industry, society, social structure that doesn't exist yet? Why would that be an educators responsibility to keep the spirituality of curiousity (not spiritual curiousity) of a 4 year old alive in the working man or woman who face a need to be as flexible as a hose? How does "the divine" fit into that?
 

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I find it quite humorous that the anti religion folks come here and hijack a thread in the Christian discussion forum. For the most part, it is the same ones that whine when the religious folks hijacks threads in the regular forums.