Regulations are meaningless unless the monies are made available to upgrade facilities. That's the thing with the tailings ponds. Things are improving because money is being spent....yet some cry over a situation that is improving while ignoring a situation that is deteriorating. Perhaps we should get big oil to take over our municipal wastewater systems. Maybe something would get done. It would also give something for folks like Cliffy and Juan to whine about.
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Regulations are meaningless unless the monies are made available to upgrade facilities. That's the thing with the tailings ponds. Things are improving because money is being spent....yet some cry over a situation that is improving while ignoring a situation that is deteriorating. Perhaps we should get big oil to take over our municipal wastewater systems. Maybe something would get done. It would also give something for folks like Cliffy and Juan to whine about.
Well somebody is certainly ignorant
Whitefish TOP: from the Athabasca Delta, collected by Robert Grandjambe Jr., May 2010; BOTTOM: from Lake Athabasca, collected by Ray Ladouceur, Dec. 2009. Photo credit: John Ulan, EPIC Photography.
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Armed with photos and ice-filled tubs of deformed fish from Lake Athabasca, a broad coalition of aboriginal communities, scientists, fishermen and local politicians asked the Canadian government yesterday to fund a comprehensive fish monitoring program on rivers and lakes downstream of the controversial oil/tar sands.
Whitefish TOP: from the Athabasca Delta, collected by Robert Grandjambe Jr., May 2010; BOTTOM: from Lake Athabasca, collected by Ray Ladouceur, Dec. 2009. Photo credit: John Ulan, EPIC Photography.
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Armed with photos and ice-filled tubs of deformed fish from Lake Athabasca, a broad coalition of aboriginal communities, scientists, fishermen and local politicians asked the Canadian government yesterday to fund a comprehensive fish monitoring program on rivers and lakes downstream of the controversial oil/tar sands.
Yeah, a malfunctioning pond...the pelicans and geese were fine. Birds can still take off, and they can still take off from tailings ponds too, if the oils are removed from the surface. Transport Canada has recognized wastewater lagoons as important habitat for waterfowl over the past few decades. If they're working properly.
Go read a report card from any of the environmental groups out there on municipal waste. They will list hazards to water fowl. There's nothing amusing about that...
Not the ones at work no. I've been to municipal waste treatment plants too. The lagoons that I visited in Truro had waterfowl using them, without dying.
Yes, I'm aware of that. All aquaculture operations have detailed effluent management plans. Ours involves a contractor for the biosludge, ozone, and uV treatment, as well as settling lagoons.
So, 'regular people' came up with the idea that industrial pollution had to end. And this came about how? Because of the Vietnam War, I suppose? Divine intervention? Alien abductions? You just don't understand, do you? Then environmental movement is what made this something that 'regular people' think about. Before that, before the Cuyahoga River caught fire, people just accepted that rivers were industrial sewers.
I guess you're too young to look back at where the origins of the 'regular people's' environmental consciousness comes from. Your position is akin to claiming that your existence has nothing to do with your parents.
No, dead ducks. This thread is about dead ducks. If you go back to my initial post in this thread, I said there lacks perspective.
More ducks are killed by sewage lagoons than by tailings ponds. The tailings pond situation is improving while the wastewater lagoon situation is deteriorating. I understand your perspective (coming from a place with little to stagnant growth and getting to visit wastewater treatment systems) but from my perspective (actually managing wastewater systems in rapidly expanding areas) the tailings ponds are nothing more than a whipping boy for environmentalists.
Kakato: What the oil industry is going through right now is much like what the west coast logging industry went through twenty years ago. The ecco terrorists rely mostly on lies, on a good day a half truth will do as long as it aids their fund raising. Jetting around protesting is so much more fun and profitable than working for a living. It is also much easier than hitting on the real problem and that is consumption. But how many city slickers want to give up their SUVs and electricity? Or jetting off around the world on holidays? Hell most of them can't even get it together enough to run their garbage dumps in a professional manner.
I'm saying that the government (you know...the ones that folks like you look to to fix everything) are not spending enough money to fix the infrastructure deficit while private industry is. You are looking in the wrong direction for your bogeyman.
No, I have always said the biggest bogeyman is the mindless consumer. Laws are made to keep the idiots in line but you can't legislate sanity.
No. Propaganda is in the eye of the beholder. What you call propaganda, I call facts. What I call propaganda, you call facts. All I have heard from the pro oil faction is PR and one on site view that is, to say the least, biased. Maybe they will clean up their act but I doubt they will continue if the pressure is dropped. It is not in their best interests to spend their shareholders money on something as frivolous as cleaning up their mess in spite of what kakato says. Since you are on the front line, it is up to you to clean up the municipality's mess.
Do you have any facts to back up your propaganda?
On the contrary, it is. It became "in their best interest" when they agreed to do it or face fines.
I don't set tax rates, collect them or allocate tax dollars. It is the taxpayers job to clean up the mess. Unfortunately, most take your position and are far to busy throwing stones at Suncor to worry about their own glass house.
Are these groups really of any benefit or are they merely just some of the largest land owners in the country?
I agree 100%. They would have tried to tackle the terminlogy of industry and politics instead of agreeing with it.
There was a letter to the editor in today's paper that puts some interesting perspective on the duck issue.
They're just ducks
They're just ducks
Here's a news flash -- they're ducks! News of the 230 dead ducks was followed by the premier holding a news conference and looking suitably grim. Get a grip!
The North American duck population is about 41 million (Intermedia Outdoors). Alberta hunters alone bag 125,000 ducks a year during a 107-day hunting season (Ducks Unlimited). The yearly duck hunt in North America puts a million birds a year in the freezer.
Darfur has a population of more than five million people and death estimates of that slaughterhouse range between 100,000 and 400,000 (U. S. GAO Report) and yet the murder of perhaps nearly 10 per cent of a human population didn't get the relentless reporting and commentary these ducks are getting.
In the meantime, I have to watch some hypocritical environmentalist on TV rail on about the evil oil industry as he pushes up his glasses (plastic frames made from oil) wearing his jacket made from oil-based synthetic fibres, along with his composite soled hiking boots (made from petro-chemicals) all manufactured in factories heated and powered by the oil industry.
Did he drive or take a bus to the interview?
Did he go home to his mud hut lit by tallow candles or to his home or apartment heated by the oil industry and filled with items made with oil derivatives? Call me selfish, but I am not prepared to give up all the benefits accorded this society by the oil industry (including a good salary) over some damn ducks.
Les Burden,
Calgary
© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald
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The North American duck population is about 41 million (Intermedia Outdoors). Alberta hunters alone bag 125,000 ducks a year during a 107-day hunting season (Ducks Unlimited). The yearly duck hunt in North America puts a million birds a year in the freezer.
Darfur has a population of more than five million people and death estimates of that slaughterhouse range between 100,000 and 400,000 (U. S. GAO Report) and yet the murder of perhaps nearly 10 per cent of a human population didn't get the relentless reporting and commentary these ducks are getting.
In the meantime, I have to watch some hypocritical environmentalist on TV rail on about the evil oil industry as he pushes up his glasses (plastic frames made from oil) wearing his jacket made from oil-based synthetic fibres, along with his composite soled hiking boots (made from petro-chemicals) all manufactured in factories heated and powered by the oil industry.
Did he drive or take a bus to the interview?
Did he go home to his mud hut lit by tallow candles or to his home or apartment heated by the oil industry and filled with items made with oil derivatives? Call me selfish, but I am not prepared to give up all the benefits accorded this society by the oil industry (including a good salary) over some damn ducks.
Les Burden,
Calgary
© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald
Read more: They're just ducks
... Sad isn't it?...
It makes one wonder why there is no outrage from the peta-philes on this site towards the mass, systematic, state-sponsored extermination of this particular group of God's creatures.
It makes one wonder why there is no outrage from the peta-philes on this site towards the mass, systematic, state-sponsored extermination of this particular group of God's creatures.
And still it continues: anyone who is trying to improve the situation is insulted and vilified. How does Kakato keep his brain from exploding? On the one hand he joins the chorus hating anyone who wants improvements in how the tar sands tailings are dealt with. On the other hand, he talks about how great it is that 'regular people' pushed for improvements in how the tar sands tailings are dealt with.
I guess he hates 'regular people'.
Or something.
Too bad so many on here couldn't understand the concept of 'reasonable compromise' if it bit them on the arse.
I guess he hates 'regular people'.
Or something.
Too bad so many on here couldn't understand the concept of 'reasonable compromise' if it bit them on the arse.