Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Colpy]

You're in some kind of delusion that democracy is a real thing and that we're masters of our rulers.





You also are under another delusion that somehow owning a firearm makes you a tough guy.

When did you get indoctrinated with such garbage?

Naw, I was a tough guy long before I had any guns.............just a minute.....I ALWAYS have had guns....... Lucky me. And I haven't taken a shot at anyone in WEEKS!!!!!

Tell me something, are you actually capable of debating a subject with fact and argument? I love this debate............if you want to continue in some sort of reasoned fashion, I will educate you on the subject.........but so far this has simply been silly.

 

[CUBert]

A debate? You think guns makes you a tough guy, what is there to debate? You're a clear lunatic and I'd have a hard time taking any of your opinions seriously.

 

[Colpy]

A debate? You think guns makes you a tough guy, what is there to debate? You're a clear lunatic and I'd have a hard time taking any of your opinions seriously.

Naw, the problem is you have neither the "facts" (as you call them) nor any demonstrated ability to engage in an intellectual exercise.

So, you have to sidestep and shield behind simplistic fallacy and innuendo........

Oh, BTW, I never said guns made me a tough guy.

I guess reading comprehension is not your forte either.

 

[JLM]

Naw, I was a tough guy long before I had any guns.............just a minute.....I ALWAYS have had guns....... Lucky me. And I haven't taken a shot at anyone in WEEKS!!!!!

Tell me something, are you actually capable of debating a subject with fact and argument? I love this debate............if you want to continue in some sort of reasoned fashion, I will educate you on the subject.........but so far this has simply been silly.

Hey Colpy, I'm pretty sure this dude was here before masquerading under a different nom de plume. Nothing more hilarious than a young snot nose, who's still wet behind the ears and thinks he's "seen the elephant"......:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[CUBert]

Oh, BTW, I never said guns made me a tough guy.
I guess reading comprehension is not your forte either.

strong men have teeth.
Often made by Smith and Wesson..........

:lol:

 

[Colpy]

:lol:

Ahhh you are proving my point...........thank you!

I never said guns made me a tough guy.......

The question remains; can you drop the silliness and carry on a reasonable debate?????

 

[CDNBear]

Apparently you don't know what a rebuttal is , nor facts.

That's fine, you've amply expressed that you have no idea what they are either, so you wouldn't understand or recognize one if it was presented to anyways.

I presented facts.

No, you made a claim, void of facts.

Guns are useless garbage that only bring chaos and destruction and make a weak man feel like god.

I'm guessing you own several then. Or your computer is a surrogate. I'm leaning to the latter. Any monkey can get his hands on a computer, as you've sufficiently proven. You have to be fairly intelligent to posses a firearm. So I concede, you likely don't own any firearms.

Eliminate all guns; all they bring is more violence and courage to weaklings.

That's a claim. There are no facts in that.

If you supply some psychological reviews, some stats, some FACTs. I'm sure you can join the debate.

Until then, you're nothing other then a troll, without a single shred of credibility.

 

[JLM]

Enlightening rebuttal, I might have to change my stance on gun control now.

I'd probably just keep my mouth shut. :lol::lol:

 

[CUBert]

Ahhh you are proving my point...........thank you!

I never said guns made me a tough guy.......

The question remains; can you drop the silliness and carry on a reasonable debate?????

You can't admit what you said, even when it was blatantly obvious, a debate wouldn't go anywhere with you.

 

[JLM]

You can't admit what you said, even when it was blatantly obvious, a debate wouldn't go anywhere with you.

Did you read post 828? It was meant specifically for you. :lol:

 

[Colpy]

You can't admit what you said, even when it was blatantly obvious, a debate wouldn't go anywhere with you.

True, a debate between you and I would be basically useless, considering your inability to confront the subject matter, or even to comprehend the English language.

Generalities do not define specifics. I spoke in general terms. To start with, I did use the term "tough guy". I did not say I was a strong man. I did not say all strong men had guns. I did not say I owned a Smith and Wesson. Therefore I never said I was a tough guy because I had guns.

Linear thought is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.

:smile:

 

[rajinsurrey]

I agree that the gun control laws here are way too strict and overbearing, we should abolish the long gun registry. we should have laws and regulations in place but no where near as much as we have in place. talk about a waste if money

 

[Colpy]

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Police reported 179 of Canada's 610 homicides were committed with a firearm in 2009; that's 21 fewer than in 2008.
Statistics Canada says that, while the general homicide rate remained stable, the firearm-related homicide rate dropped 12 per cent, reversing an upward trend recorded between 2002 and 2008.
Prior to 2002, rates of firearm homicides had been declining since the mid-1970s.
Of the 179 firearm homicides, 112 involved handguns, 29 involved a rifle or shotgun and 14 a sawed-off rifle or shotgun.
Declines were reported in all three categories in 2009.
Handguns remained the most common type of firearm involved in homicides in Canada's major cities.
Between 2005 and 2009, police recovered 253 firearms used to commit homicide where the registration status with the Canadian Firearms Registry could be determined.
Of these, 31 per cent were registered and 69 per cent were not registered. Of those that were registered, 67 per cent were rifles or shotguns, 22 per cent were handguns and 12 per cent were sawed-off rifles or shotguns.
Also during this five-year period, police were able to determine the ownership of the firearm in 212 homicide incidents. Of these, 49 per cent were owned by the accused, eight per cent by the victim and 43 per cent by someone else.

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Shooting homicides dropped in 2009: StatsCan - The Globe and Mail

Interesting piece.

Firearms homicides ROSE between 2002 (the completion of the registration of long guns) and 2008.

Firearms homicides dropped in 2009........but the murder rate remained the same.

Gun Control is completely useless.

 

[geiseric]

It's illegal to sell a firearm to unlicensed individuals. Without some form of audit system there's no way of establishing the chain of ownership for any firearm of interest. That there are countless unregistered firearms in circulation should not influence whether law abiding citizens should ensure there's are. It's in the public interest they participate. As a buyer they must verify the transaction took place. I'd be surprised so many people are unwilling to be accountable for the responsibility they assume but I've been around the block too many times to fret about reality.

 

[mentalfloss]

Yes, Marijuana Control IS Completely Useless!!! Oh wait, wrong thread..

 

[Colpy]

Yes, Marijuana Control IS Completely Useless!!! Oh wait, wrong thread..

That too!

(Didn't expect that, did you? lol)

rajinsurrey wrote:

I've been around the block too many times to fret about reality

.

Oh that's just too easy!



Seriously though, in a free country, restrictive law has to be shown to be of some value to society. Simply put, the Canadian Firearms Act is extremely restrictive, and can not be shown to have been of any benefit to society whatsoever............therefore it needs to be recinded.

 

[geiseric]

You don't think owners should be licensed?

 

[Colpy]

You don't think owners should be licensed?

Well, I'm not sure how much good it does, but as a compromise, I am quite willing to comply and encourage a strict licensing regimen......

In fact, I think licensing should be the only gun control regimen in the country, that it should be graduated from a license for simple single shot firearms, through repeaters, semi-autos, handguns and include a first class license for carry of concealed handguns.

Each level should require a training course that includes range time with a qualified instructor that can competently judge not only the applicant's abilities, but his aptitude for safety, and his general attitude.

And a thorough CPIC check should be run before the license is issued.

Then, if you are caught with a weapon for which you have no license....go to jail.

Simple, thorough, and just as effective as anything else, IMHO.

No more expensive, inaccurate, wasteful stupid government lists of guns

 

[geiseric]

Well there's the rub, isn't it? There's no enforcing the transfer of firearms between licensed owners without those stupid government lists.

 

[Colpy]

Well there's the rub, isn't it? There's no enforcing the transfer of firearms between licensed owners without those stupid government lists.

Yep, there's the rub....why would you want to "enforce" transfers between licensed owners?????

Look up Gary Mauser, who did research on murder rates and gun ownership. He found that licensed gun owners in Canada, despite being overwhelmingly among the most violent demographic (male), and by definition having easy access to firearms........had a murder rate one third to one half LESS than that of the general population......

Registration and all the other invasive tenets of Canadian gun control are simply harassment.....not meant to actually acheive anything except the elimination of a cultural norm.