Lady Gaga Fights For Gays

[Praxius]

no, she is trying to use her influence to make people do something..

I'm no fan of Gaga, but so friggin what if someone uses their influence to make people do things?

Influence is one thing.... oppression or force is another.

The only reason why some people like her are in an influential position in the first place is because people like you and I put them there.

You have artists, musicians, singers, actors, rich people all in their positions they're in because people like you and I bought their products, listened to their music, went to their movies...... we indulge in their expressions and what they have to say and/or do....... you have no problem buying someone's albums and have their posters all over their walls (as an example) you have no problem listening to someone's philosophical view points on spirituality, or how to live one's life (via their lyrics or characters played in a show)

But as soon as they decide to express their legal right to get involved into politics and possibly go beyond just casting a useless ballot like you or I do...... and as soon as they open their voices to express their opinions about a topic like any of us do in these forums every single day......

..... suddenly they crossed the line, they should shut up and stick to what they're paid to do..... as if our opinions and voices are worth more then theirs? :-?

Lets say you have all kinds of money and influence in the country, let's say you followed along with a hot topic for a while and suddenly you see the topic being questions in our government in such a way that whatever decision is made, it can dramatically change the way things are done in the country....... would you just keep your mouth shut and let it all unfold?

Probably not, because in your eyes, you have every right to speak your mind and attempt to change other people's minds on a subject if you think the action is just....... so where do you get off telling someone else they should shut up and not express their right to get involved in politics because they make more then you or perhaps is known and liked by more people then you?

Oh that's right, you don't.

 

[DaSleeper]

YouTube - 2 Roosters

 

[Tonington]

It's been done before, Lady GG, Madonna has already milked this for all its publicity value...

Well, I think we can rule out self-serving publicity. Her timing comes before a vote, and she's been banging this drum for quite some time now.

and you are not doing anyone any favours by affirming and celebrating such unnatural and unhappy behaviour.

As opposed to people like you who would impose your will on their liberty ehh? That's doing them a favour? Yeah right, keep your favours to yourself then...

 

[karrie]

Homosexuals have the highest levels of suicide, isolation, depression, drug and alcohol abuse, transmittable diseases, early death and violent death of any identifiable demographic. The life expectancy for a practicing male homosexual is on the order of 25 years less than that of a heterosexual.

Look at the evidence.. don't drink the Kool-Aid.

It was, yes, due to a wide variety of issues including segregation (these same issues crop up on reserves at higher rates than the general pop), families disowning them (these issues crop up in higher rates with broken family units), and general disillusionment with their place in society (issues that again, crop up in higher numbers with groups such as blacks in the states). They had the trifecta. The result was an enormous impact, and anyone looking at it objectively can see that the blame isn't on homosexuality itself, but on how society treated those who were homosexual. Given equal rights, family stability, and inclusion in society, those statistics will likely look a LOT different. I know my gay friends grew up in a much different environment than my great uncle did.

 

[shadowshiv]

no, she is trying to use her influence to make people do something..

So? That isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes people need to have a "famous" person join a cause to light a fire underneath their own asses, otherwise they may hold the mantra of "Meh. Why should I care about that?". Allowing gay people in the military without any stigma attached...how can that be considered a bad thing?

It's not 25 years less, cliffy. If that was the case i'm sure they'd have all type of research on why Dentists commit suicide.

My guess, though, is you've just made that up. Most desntists i know seem happy and well adjusted. I don't know one homosexual who can be said to be the same.

You must not know any true homosexuals then, as the ones that I know are quite happy and well-adjusted. That being said, not everyone is happy all of the time, whether they be gay or straight.

 

[gopher]

If gays weren't allowed in the military the Marine Corps (especially its women's division) would be depleted.

 

[Bar Sinister]

no, she is trying to use her influence to make people do something..

I can't see a real problem. Conservative entertainers such as Ted Nugent have used their fame to influence people. It seems only proper that people on the other side be allowed to do so also. You don't have to agree with them; just give them a chance to speak their minds without being threatened in the way the Dixie Chicks were.

 

[karrie]

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Why is it not suprising that a party infamous for it's closet homosexual gay-bashers(Larry Craig, Bob Allen) and congressmen who like to think congressional pages are there for more than just work experience(Mark Foley), is so determined to cling to the illusion that gays don't really exist.

 

[coldstream]

If we take your post as truth (and I don't necessarily), don't you think that maybe one of the reasons for this is the constant put downs and suppression, and constantly hearing that their 'lifestyle' is wrong, and they'll burn in hell, dished out by the likes of you?

Maybe if you accepted people, they wouldn't be driven to depression and suicide by your intolerance?

In the last 30 years almost all of the stigma and prejudice against homosexuality has disappeared. In fact they have been given the vaunted status of 'victim' by modern culture, given special consideration of an implied assumption that any negative assessments of them are founded in 'hate' and that they therefor need legal and civil remedies to 'protect' them, and affirmative action to 'include' them. A million people show up in Toronto to applaud their 'orientation' on Pride Day.

Even before this period active homosexuals had communities that insulated them, employed them. They represented an affluent, cosmopolitan sub-culture, often well educated, without the expensive burdens of child rearing.

And still, then and now, in terms of suicide, depression, drug and alcohol abuse, promiscuity and STDs, intra-homosexual violence, nothing has changed. By all appearances and by fact it is a desperately miserable condition. Their alienation in not from society, it's from their own real potential and natural identity. And no amount of social affirmation or legitimization is going to cure that.

The military has always excluded those with debilitating neuroses and obsessions, including serial heterosexual adulterers or womanizers. Define that as deep seated confusion of identity as obstacles to personal happiness and self actualization, that will be detrimental to the morale of units.

Homosexuality is a pathology of moral character, of narcissism, profound sexual immaturity and unresolved infantile fixations, which further intrudes in fundamental concepts of honour, duty, country.. which is at the core of a military vocation.

That is why homosexuality will always work against military cohesion and preparedness. The military is simply not a democracy.. or a culture where these types of social experiments can be conducted without consequences.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Even before this period active homosexuals had communities that insulated them, employed them. They represented an affluent, cosmopolitan sub-culture, often well educated, without the expensive burdens of child rearing.

And still, then and now, in terms of suicide, depression, drug and alcohol abuse, promiscuity and STDs, intra-homosexual violence, nothing has changed. By all appearances and by fact it is a desperately miserable condition. Their alienation in not from society, it's from their own real potential and natural identity. And no amount of social affirmation or legitimization is going to cure that.

Ohh, so if one doesn't breed they're not a productive member of society? Those selfish gays & heterosexuals.

Are you telling me that suicide, depressions, substance abuse, std's etc do not exist in heterosexual relationships? Who are you to judge who's happy or not? Thankfully, people of your religious perversion are slowly going the way of the dinosaur.

 

[coldstream]

Ohh, so if one doesn't breed they're not a productive member of society? Those selfish gays & heterosexuals.

Are you telling me that suicide, depressions, substance abuse, std's etc do not exist in heterosexual relationships? Who are you to judge who's happy or not? Thankfully, people of your religious perversion are slowly going the way of the dinosaur.

They do exist, neuroses and addictions are not limited in manifestation to homosexuality.. but they always represent a significant enough deficiency in character and function to exclude one from military enlistment.

 

[karrie]

They do exist, neuroses and addictions are not limited in manifestation to homosexuality.. but they always represent a significant enough deficiency in character and function to exclude one from military enlistment.

On an individual level, not on a population level. Statistics can not be applied to individuals.

 

[mentalfloss]

.. but they can definitely be applied to a group..

As for respondents uncertain whether they had served with gay personnel, 2% thought gays would have a positive effect on personal morale, while 29% thought that they would have no impact and 48% thought that they would have a negative effect.

Of the respondents who had experience with gays in their unit, 6% said their presence had a positive impact on their personal morale, 66% said no impact, and 28% said negative impact.

Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't seem so bad. Most of the homophobes gave up their worries after they were exposed - in fact some even conceded working with gays had a positive effect. Only a quarter of all military personnel take issue? What a joke. It's ridiculous that this is still even up for debate.

 

[Cliffy]

They do exist, neuroses and addictions are not limited in manifestation to homosexuality.. but they always represent a significant enough deficiency in character and function to exclude one from military enlistment.

So what you are saying is that you have to be of sound moral, religious and psychological character to bomb and shoot the crap out of innocent women and children. Interesting.

 

[coldstream]

So what you are saying is that you have to be of sound moral, religious and psychological character to bomb and shoot the crap out of innocent women and children. Interesting.

No, the miliary mission is protect a nation's sovereignty and laws.

If you are not sure your country in fact defends justice and the 'good' of its citizens through its sovereignty and laws, then you should not be in that military, your fight should be against the tyranny that has overtaken your nation.

 

[Cliffy]

No, the miliary mission is protect a nation's sovereignty and laws.

If you are not sure your country in fact defends justice and the 'good' of its citizens through its sovereignty and laws, then you should not be in that military, your fight should be against the tyranny that has overtaken your nation.

Well, at 65 and crippled, I fight tyranny from the comfort of my computer chair. I have no use for the military, politicians or religions as they all promote derision, IMHO. The only weapon left for me is my writing.

 

[TenPenny]

In the last 30 years almost all of the stigma and prejudice against homosexuality has disappeared.

How can you say that with a straight face? Don't you read what you post?

 

[shadowshiv]

In the last 30 years almost all of the stigma and prejudice against homosexuality has disappeared. In fact they have been given the vaunted status of 'victim' by modern culture, given special consideration of an implied assumption that any negative assessments of them are founded in 'hate' and that they therefor need legal and civil remedies to 'protect' them, and affirmative action to 'include' them. A million people show up in Toronto to applaud their 'orientation' on Pride Day.

Even before this period active homosexuals had communities that insulated them, employed them. They represented an affluent, cosmopolitan sub-culture, often well educated, without the expensive burdens of child rearing.

And still, then and now, in terms of suicide, depression, drug and alcohol abuse, promiscuity and STDs, intra-homosexual violence, nothing has changed. By all appearances and by fact it is a desperately miserable condition. Their alienation in not from society, it's from their own real potential and natural identity. And no amount of social affirmation or legitimization is going to cure that.

The military has always excluded those with debilitating neuroses and obsessions, including serial heterosexual adulterers or womanizers. Define that as deep seated confusion of identity as obstacles to personal happiness and self actualization, that will be detrimental to the morale of units.

Homosexuality is a pathology of moral character, of narcissism, profound sexual immaturity and unresolved infantile fixations, which further intrudes in fundamental concepts of honour, duty, country.. which is at the core of a military vocation.

That is why homosexuality will always work against military cohesion and preparedness. The military is simply not a democracy.. or a culture where these types of social experiments can be conducted without consequences.

So almost all of the stigma and prejudice against homosexuals has disappeared? Reading posts like the ones that you have created shows me to not be the case at all. And they aren't "victims" they are victims when a crime is perpetuated towards them. Just because a few people say that everything is okay now certainly doesn't make it true.

Suicide, depression, drug and alcohol abuse isn't a gay condition, it is a human condition. It can affect anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation.

Promiscuity and STDs are issues with everyone, both straight or gay.

Intra-homosexual violence? So if I got into a fight with another straight guy it would be considered Intra-straight violence rather than what it really is? A fight? Human beings fight, it is in our nature.

And would it surprise you to know that there are far more gay people that do not attend Pride functions than the people that do? They go about their lives just like everyone else, and hope that others would treat them as they would anyone else.

So being gay is considered to one having a debilitating neuroses and being obsessive?

As for my morale being affected on the battlefield? Give me a break! A person's sexual orientation would have nothing to do with their ability to protect the lives of their fellow soldiers.

And this comment you made above:
"Homosexuality is a pathology of moral character, of narcissism, profound sexual immaturity and unresolved infantile fixations, which further intrudes in fundamental concepts of honour, duty, country.. which is at the core of a military vocation."

Yep. The prejudice is gone alright.:roll:

 

[Cliffy]

Yep. The prejudice is gone alright.:roll:

It would appear that he is so blinded by his homophobia that he can't see it.