Alright MHz, I'll try to explain this to you one more time, since you keep taking shots at me in conversations I'm not really much engaged in.
That's true I have mentioned your name a few times and I have also included a few specific examples. The shots were originally targetd at your current 'understanding' in the physics of 'subduction' as currently promoted. Canada's west coast and the creation of the Rockies starting about 200M years ago. I don't think your version allows for 'continental drift' that is shown by the long term history of the 'hotspot' under Yellowstone was some distance to the east from it's present location. That same movement would have included all of the Canadian Shield also moving that same distance in that same time. The Atlantic rift should have been responsible fot the movement IF the movement matches the known data about the age of the seafloor, something that just became available less than 50 years ago. That needs to blend in with existing models and in the examples I have started to mention there is more conflict than there is agreement. Those areas are things you refuse to consider. That makes you close minded and your arrogance starts to show when you keep posting after you have made all your points but the content is now focused on the charactor flaws in me as determined by you, a person who is close minded to begin with. Back to the Atlantic, one or both shores should show signs of subduction that would have to be very similar to the eastern slope of the Rockies and covering all the lands to the west until you hit the rift just off the shore of BC. The Pacific and Atlantic rifts are expanding at about the same rate (at the moment). In the Pacific the string of islands that make up Hawaii is also cause by a hotspot that is stationary and the crust moves. Using GoogleEarth 5 you can follow that mountain chain to the west (in a relative straight line) for some distance and then it takes a sharp turn and the mountain chain heads mostly northwards (again in a relatively straight line). A 'discussion' would then involve matching all those items to a time-line. When it is the east-west movement can be measured but the south-north movement all happens in the same color band. (the highest resolution map might be more revealing in narrowing that time down some) The time of the change in direction should also be compared to the track of the Yellowstone hotspot to see if it ever took a northerly route that matches the movement of the Pacific plate. It is also a possibility that the 'hot-spot' was not always in a static location in the mantle. Even after all that it would show/not show that the location of the actual rift off the coast of BC was at one time under the eastern portion of the Rockies. If your mental functions prevent you from exploring those sorts of 'possibilities'. When it comes to 'oddities' like the Snake River. Two miles of mountains can erode yet not be carried away any further than the base of the mountains over the course of a few million years and then over a few more million years the 'rubble' is eroded away' yet the 'newly exposed mountains ' now resist almost all erosion. That is the explanation for the flow of the Snake when it cuts straight through a mountain ridge that is part of the Rockies. I may not have the correct answer but I'm quite convinced that 'theory' needs some more work.
The questions I refuse to answer are the ones that assume a whole lot of things are true that in fact are demonstrably false, and have been demonstrated to YOU as false, but you simply deny the evidence and arguments and continue on your merry misguided way.
All you do is reference somebodies 'work' that you have accepted as being a 'fact'.
This occurs most often in discussions of Christian scripture, because you take it to be a literally true and correct description of reality when it's actually mythology (and you don't know what that means either), and in particular you take the Book of Revelation and the apocalyptic passages in Daniel and Isaiah as recording a history of the future.
Actually it covers every topic just as equally, the Christian one sticks out because it was our first discussion, the trend of you presenting your 'facts' (somebody elses 'theory') and then closing off all discussion was also established in that very same conversation and it holds true for all other ones. So if you see a 'pattern' for me I would also tend to assume that you do not see yourself as having a 'pattern' of response.
And really how hard is it to have an opinion on whether of not you would see an object coming at you if the combined closing rate was greater than the speed of light?
Then you ask a question based on that, which to me is incoherent and meaningless and doesn't deserve a response.
Why not respond with a 'I don't know, some of the Bible is incoherent and meaningless when I read it.' I certainly used to admit that about the book of Job rather than offer an opinion that tried to mask that fact. That doesn't mean there were not parts that I was sure I understood enough to speak up on (w2ith some degree of confidence). So I have no problem finding something in the Bible that offers God's opinion and/or view on many subjects so that also means I don't find the Bible incoherent or meaningless in any degree anymore on the subjects we have touched on. You sit in ignorance (self admitted just above) of the Bible's prophecies yet I am the stupid one in any/all conversations. lol
You do it with science too.
Starting with old earth creation or just 'science as written today.
You've cited a cartoonist's work in support of your claims of the expanding earth, for example, ignoring or denigrating several centuries of serious scientific investigation by people far better qualified than you or me,
You enjoyed the 'How the Earth was Made series didn't you. They used the same form of animation to show the 'uplifting' of land in several places. Here is how closed minded and how impossible it is for you to 'update' your own mind. Neal Adams did the animation but, as I have mentioned to you several times, he is not the 'scientist' that came up with the theory.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THE EARTH IS[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]GROWING AND EXPANDING RAPIDLY[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]EXTERNAL ACCRETION[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](METEORITES, DUST AND SOLAR ENERGY)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]INTERNAL CORE EXPANSION[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](BY GRAVITATIONALLY INDUCED HEATING)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](The mechanisms and a new cosmology)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lawrence S. Myers[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](Revised 29 April 2005)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The map shown here is PROOF of Earth's growth and expansion in just the last ~200 million years--proving there were NO oceans (now covering over 70% of the planet) when it was 40% smaller than it is today.[/FONT]
That didn't copy very well and I don't agree with the part about the oceans. All the water we have today was there 200M years ago (liquid and vapor, no ice) so as they wind back the clock and the Pacific and Atlantic became smaller in size the water would be forced up onto the land. Before 200M ago the earth could have been almost completely covered by water (like Alberta). That shows I don't swallow everything promoted but that doesn't mean I am willintg to ignore their main argument and that is based on the scientific dating of the age of the worlds Oceanic Crust.
then ask a question based on that, which is similarly incoherent and meaningless and doesn't deserve a response. Your questions aren't ignored for no reason, they're ignored because they're rooted in willful ignorance.
The way it works is when you cannot respond to a pointed question you start the personal insults, like claiming my replies have no foundation and just above I have shown what foundation they do have, as far as science is on that one topic. As far as Scripture most involved conversations are at least 10 pages and often time it will go past 20. I doubt you have ever carried it past the 1st page where you dump your 'understanding' and then the topic is closed to any further words.
Just to clarify, calling scripture mythology doesn't mean it's wrong or dumb.
That part comes in if I don't agree about your statement. about it being a 'myth'.
It means it's a story, of the sort humans have been inventing since we were first sitting around campfires in the evenings.
The Bible claims to be otherwise though, in particular when it comes to the 'prophecies' that even Moses was giving a few details about. I doubt very much they had very much spare time but id the first books were oral stories then they were repeated endlessly so as to not allow for change. I don't agree with that view entirely either since they were written down only during the exile into Babylon. Any corrections could have been made by God and if Jesus used baptism of the Holy Spirit to assiat the writers of the 4 Gospels of the NT then God would have provided the same help for the writers that were in Babylon. The best choice as writers that God is involved with would be Daniel and his named friends (furnace event).
It's about transition and growth and all verses lead in the direction of two events and each or those events is a way-point for profound changes
Ge:3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The hertiage of the 12 Tribes was so the bruise to the heel could take place, some OT prophecies were fulfilled back then, the remainder will be fulfilled when the bruise to Satan's head happens. We were given the 'task' to put all the various pieces together that gives about as much detail as any single Gospel is in length.
The first thing determined by God that fateful day was a division between men that would become loyal to Satan's methods and some that would resist that and take a path that was more pleasing in God's view that would allow for the bruises to play out. Cain and Able was the fulfillment of that portion of the 'big picture'. It was a division that is only 'healed' by a day called Judgment Day. On that day enmity between men is wiped out forever and the memories of events on this world are forgotten and new memories begin to be built in a world that is full of immortal beings
At it's most basic level even Satan ends up with a kingdom although it is not specified id he is a king once everybody is in the lake, very much alive. Humans are in another place that begins just like the world described in Ge:2. God has everything He created in the places that are best for them. If your head is not shaking already it certainly will once you 'hear' that only after the start of that period are the Holy Angels given permission to marry and their numbers will start to increase from that point on. A move the goat-herder of 2500BC knew only too well, yet it escapes your current view. If you cannot understand the words of simple men what hope is there for you? In real term a passage in the NT makes you precious to God just because your wife has belief in Jesus being factual (no way am I trying to endorse the RCC leadership so your wife's faith is described in the 7 letters. That is neither here nor there other than it being my impression is you are unaware of that passage even existing, yet you have the knowledge to determine the accurate understanding presented in the books you listed. If that is not bad enough it is too the point that any argument is met with deafness and that is when the mockery comes out in an increased manner. (don't get me wrong, I'm not offended I just find the tactic as being somewhat shallow, I hope that is not a step up for you. I also assume you are somewhat honored to have Bear adopt one of your statements as a sig, that just makes you a fuktard.
Really Dex, most people would have said it was Satan against God which makes it evil vs good. Yet you have openly called God a 'prick' so it is no wonder that Satan is the 'good-guy'.
and the constant human struggle to make sense of things,
You mean the phrase that relates to things being this way because it is God's will and God leaves lots of room for getting the right verses but the wrong understanding. To make the prophecies of the OT complex yet in harmony is a real challenge to your theory that it is a book of unconnected myths, you can't even admit to that.
At times yes, Daniel and Revelation are the best examples, why do you not also take into consideration that in those 'visions' an explanation also follows that explains the symbols. If the 'man of sin' is exposed only after he has been in operation then it would be a 'conflict' for the Bible to identify him any earlier. Your method at that point is to declare it to be a 'badly written' myth.
Don't stop there, there is also the blending of Daniel and Revelation that can be pieced together very nicely yet the 'authors' could not have possibly understood that we could apply those connection to our place and time. (being right or wrong is not a factor, the recreation of Israel is proof that some believe those words)
In that context it's both important and useful. Read some Joseph Campbell. But as I told eanassir in another thread, to take it as a literal description of reality seems to me to be foolish beyond description. It's like taking the Greek and Roman myths as literally true, and I'm sure you know better than that.
We have only scratched the topics God covers, had our past conversations been somewhat different I might have found it worthwhile time-wise to discuss some of those other topics. You recently went to a funeral, the Bible gives a person a full month to grieve the loss of somebody as close as a parent or sibling and after that time it is time to 'move on with daily life without the company of grief' Under the 'norms' for our society (Canada) would that be a healthy outlook as viewed by our medical community and would that also be how you feel if it was your wife who went into deep grief, which is okay, yet after a period twice as long (60 days) that her mental heath becomes a concern in that she is held by an emotion that should not become a way of life. As it is, I actually typed it out as part of a post and then deleted it as it would have been wasted words, same as this whole post is. It was an example, no real reply is expected or wanted.
I'm glad you now understand that. Have you looked into any English reading and comprehension classes yet?
I thought the answer was obvious, perhaps you are still struggling to understand your own conclusions.
Good idea. We aren't like to get much of an intelligent and engaging conversation if you were involved.
Probably explains why less that 1% of any of your posts are directed at each other. Don't want to abuse that stimulation thing. lol
I figured you watched life pass you by, all the time.
Ah, are you getting thumbs down from Goober?
The years on probation weren't the best of times since I decided to follow ther stipulations, stay away from others in the same situation.
Maybe you should ask yourself if you had something to do with that.
There are certainly some paths I have gone down that needed to be backed out of as they held no long term future. I don't ever recall bragging about those wasted steps.
I know you won't, that genetic disorder seems to have prevented you from acknowledging the basics of reality.
Like being turned down for a date by a chick in the bar who admitted that she like me but I looked too much like her dad for us to repeat our sexual encounter. Little shocking to somebody who was only 22. lol Hearing the same thing today might make me question what sort of father she had and if the 'looks like' came from when my face was between her thighs and all she should see was the bald-spot.
Carry on with that looping thought.
Kojak had back up as well, and very much like your back up, his back up was the fancy of a fiction writer.
Ya sudden realizations and the impact of reality, has that affect on some people. Sadly, it was only fleeting with you.
How much mulla did going bald net him? Quite a bit and yes he did have a script so who had the wisdom, the actor or the screenplay writer?
Oh Goober knows enough not to hold out hopes that you'll ever post anything relevant, no worries there.
Now you are mind-reader, wow. Don't hold your breath only means a delay, not eternal silence according to Dex. lol
Haven't read much of the Bible have you? That sort treatment is from the Heathens of the OT, King Darius in this case..
Da:6:24:
And the king commanded,
and they brought those men which had accused Daniel,
and they cast them into the den of lions,
them,
their children,
and their wives;
and the lions had the mastery of them,
and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
Yep, that about sums up the comprehension issue.
In your case the lack of it. as the recording is still available.
No you won't, they're in the threads that spawned them, feel free to do your own leg work. If you're actually serious and all.
You said you had them right in front of you. liar.
You're right, my bad. Given the poor genetic stock, you were likely wards of the state.
Taking away the prospect of being married certainly made her a ward of the state.
Nope, I've never been late for my own birthday. But then again, I come from obviously better genetic stock, since I was never physically removed from my parents custody, like yourself.
Totally clueless. lol
That would be approx 180,000 - 1 = 179,000.
Are you sure that Nun didn't have you under her skirt most of the time?
180,000 - 1 = 179,999
Wow, talk about contradicting your self in less then a single breath.
The Germans are the maters of efficiency yet they preserve the life of many Jews in WWII
And that ladies and gentlemen, is how you hand someone their ass, and make it look like it was being served up in a 3 Michelin star rated restaurant.
SAo this place is a "3 Michelin star rated restaurant". You really are 'out to lunch'.