Canadian forces Recruiting 'Center'?

[AnnaG]

I guess it would depend on if that person's job involved working with words. You're right, not in all jobs must the worker worry about spelling, but for some jobs it would be the deciding factor, especially for professional sign-makers like Praxius.

lmao Don't you mean "professional"?

Anna, there is a difference between typing fast and furious on your own time in a forum and working professionally in your day job.

But according to your reasoning, if a resume is badly done, it indicates the sloppiness of the applicant. I wouldn't hire Prax for my shop.

I fully agree, unless of course English use is part of the job.

lol What job doesn't include English in Canada? Lab techs need to make reports and stuff using English, but I'd think what they do in the lab would be a bit more important.

 

[lone wolf]

Does experience in your field only apply if it's supporting YOUR point?...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/81820-montreal-has-nothing-family-woman.html

BTW.... Canadian Forces practices are more closely entwined to US practice than British. It shouldn't be any surprise that some Americanized spelling might creep into the mix.

 

[Praxius]

Oh My Gawd! Somewhere along the way someone made a typo! Question ... if you were in an ambulance screaming to the hopital, would you kick up a fuss because the sign said ER?

Well I certainly would raise the question as to why the Hospital is called a "Hopital" and ask where the "S" went, but that's just me and my curious nature.

But there are some Hospitals that use the Abbreviation "ER" for their Emergency Rooms, so I wouldn't have an issue.

Perhaps I should clarify my position a little better when it comes to signs using "er" rather then "re":

Signs are expensive.... some can range up into the $10,000+ range depending on what you want.

If I was paying that much for a sign or advertisement, I'd expect the damn thing to be spelled correctly and be of the best quality possible..... that's why I'm picky because I know these companies dish out a lot of money for these things, they shouldn't be half-assed.

 

[AnnaG]

OndaG:

You keep claiming that I don't get it. I don't recall saying that there was an error.

Perhaps you could re-read my posts, and show me where I did.

You implied it. Again, you said in post #46 "Although I would expect that our gov't would take as much effort to pick the right spelling of words as they take to ensure that everything is bilingual.".

I think you're addressing someone else, not me.

Quit thinking then.

 

[lone wolf]

Dunno.... There are several HOPITAL up here in Franco Ontario.

 

[Praxius]

:roll: Oh, go troll up your hoop.
I don't care what your point is. Machjo said there was a spelling error and there isn't and that is the point.

And considering the sign, who it's for and what country we're in.... your point and the spelling is wrong.

Deal with it.

I probably would notice. As I said earlier, it would be inconsistent with the way Canucks USUALLY spell "centre". BUT, people put all kinds of twists on words in signs. Around here, there's a little outfit that calls itself Tastee Freez and it is a Dairy Queen competitor. Safeway? That should be Safe Way. Overwaitea? That should have been Over Weight Tea because the very first store got an overweight shipment of tea. IOW, it's ludicrous to make such an immense issue out of something as trivial as a mistaken POV.

Once again you clearly have no understanding of corporate identity and advertisement, as those are company names that are registered trademarks of those companies, which means they can spell them anyway they damn well please, nor do I care how they spell them..... that's their "identity."

The difference lies between a company's name/identity and the identification of the particular department of that company such a "Reception" or "Recruitment Centre"

Believe it or not, there is a divide between the two and rules change between the two on what is permitted and what is not (as a general rule of thumb)

If you really want to know all the inner workings of these things, I'd suggest taking a course.

roflmao I'm not the one pompously proclaiming, "I work at this so I should know".

I'm not proclaiming I should know..... I do know..... you just hate the fact that I'm actually right.

 

[AnnaG]

I'm just explaining how it is, you're the one not "Getting It"



I'm not passing judgment on anything, I'm just telling it as it is..... it is wrong, because it is wrong.... I can not judge that it is right, because it simple isn't.... it's just plain fact that it is wrong.

It is perfectly acceptable. Bear already posted a couple CANADIAN dictionaries that disagreed with the one you mentioned. So, as even the dictionaries cannot agree, it is NOT fact.

Not when it comes to the Designer, which was the point. :roll: I swear you guys just like to not read things in order to keep the argument going.

And apparently you didn't read what Bear said his boys' dictionaries said, Mr. Professional.

Then that of course depends on the job at hand.... but once again, the point was the general view of resumes we're all taught growing up and entering the work force.... crappy looking resumes are generally not looked upon highly.

Right, but resumes are not the be all to end all.

You choose one thing for your own reasons and as I said, so be it...... I choose something else for my own reasons and you say you're bigger then that..... doesn't sound very big to me when you try and justify your reasons for choosing something as being better then someone else's when one's choices and reasons are subjective to the individual.

Yup, and I choose to rely on the OED, it being the definitive word on the English language, rather than relying on the word of some "professional" who seems to make loads of mistakes himself.

It's like opinions being like arseholes.....

Yup. And the OED is a more reliable arsehole than you. lol

I'd recommend you do the same.... as I already said, I'm only stating how it is, I am not stating or trying to force everybody to confirm to my views..... you are not a graphic designer or in the sign industry like I am, but in my field of work, this is how it is.

I need to get over myself. uhuh :roll:

Don't hate the playa, hate the game...... as mentioned before, if the game in this country changes the official spelling to Center, I will spell it that way..... but until then.....

The spelling is official? The gov't has actually declared that the official spelling for "center" is "centre"? Like the official game is lacrosse? The official animal is the beaver? Show us the document that says that please.

If I missed the point, it's because I'm responding to your comments that already missed the original point....

The point? That the spelling is correct, the inconsistency is the error, but either way, the OP is a tempest in a thimble?

If you owned and operated these forums though and you continually misspelled the text on the buttons/links or other parts of the forum, then what I say would apply and I would consider your forum as amateur.

And judging by some of your posts, you are no more a professional than Bear or me. So what?

No, it is not According to me, it's according to the Industry and according to reality.... I didn't make the rules and I didn't invent Canadian English.

Apparently neither did the dictionary you mentioned. lol

I'm telling you how it is, the evidence and facts are out there in your elementary/high schools, your universities, on the internet and on the links already provided in this thread.

According to you, that's what the evidence and facts are.

You're trying to argue fault on my side of the argument which already has decades of evidence and facts backing it up, while your side of the argument is based around your subjective laziness of not caring how things are supposed to be spelled.

You're wasting your precious time fighting an already lost battle in this subject and if it's really not that big of a deal and you really don't care how something is spelled.... .then once again, why the hell are you still wasting your time in this thread arguing an already lost position?

Same reason you are "wasting" your time posting these looooooong winded diatribes at the readers, I guess. For me it's light-minded entertainment.

I wouldn't blow a gasket, I'd just consider the local sign company in the area who did those signs as amateurs, which is what I have already said.

.... at length. But I suppose it never occurred to you that they did the sign exactly the way the gov't intended them to do it?

Does experience in your field only apply if it's supporting YOUR point?...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/81820-montreal-has-nothing-family-woman.html

BTW.... Canadian Forces practices are more closely entwined to US practice than British. It shouldn't be any surprise that some Americanized spelling might creep into the mix.

Also since Harpy is more friendly to the USA than the Glibs. lol

Well I certainly would raise the question as to why the Hospital is called a "Hopital" and ask where the "S" went, but that's just me and my curious nature.

It's the French way of spelling it.

But there are some Hospitals that use the Abbreviation "ER" for their Emergency Rooms, so I wouldn't have an issue.

Perhaps I should clarify my position a little better when it comes to signs using "er" rather then "re":

Signs are expensive.... some can range up into the $10,000+ range depending on what you want.

If I was paying that much for a sign or advertisement, I'd expect the damn thing to be spelled correctly and be of the best quality possible..... that's why I'm picky because I know these companies dish out a lot of money for these things, they shouldn't be half-assed.

Like I said, perhaps the gov't wanted the sign that way. But as a "professional", you'd probably "correct" it for them, right? roflmao

And considering the sign, who it's for and what country we're in.... your point and the spelling is wrong.

Deal with it.

Nope. I'm right. You deal with it. lol

Once again you clearly have no understanding of corporate identity and advertisement, as those are company names that are registered trademarks of those companies, which means they can spell them anyway they damn well please, nor do I care how they spell them..... that's their "identity."

And "Canadian Forces Recruitment Center" isn't? roflmao

The difference lies between a company's name/identity and the identification of the particular department of that company such a "Reception" or "Recruitment Centre"

And Barq's is a department of Coke, not an identity.

Believe it or not, there is a divide between the two and rules change between the two on what is permitted and what is not (as a general rule of thumb)

If you really want to know all the inner workings of these things, I'd suggest taking a course.

roflmao It wouldn't be as much fun as poking holes in your little hypotheses, but thanks.

I'm not proclaiming I should know..... I do know..... you just hate the fact that I'm actually right.

....... according to you, I know, Mr. Professional. roflmao

 

[Praxius]

Don't you mean "English" with a capital "E"? roflmao So much for the expert professional in the spelling business. :roll:

Speaking of :roll:.... I'll direct you to what I already said:
"...... when it comes to spelling here in the forums, or in an email or letter to whoever, it doesn't really matter how you spell a word..... that is unless you're getting paid to spell it properly.

I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

Try and keep up will you?

Ah, so you admit is is a minor issue. Still haven't clued in that it isn't a misspelling, though.

Like a parrot I'll repeat again, it depends on the situation and industry.

lol Strut around all you like Mr. Professional.

Thank you I will.

BTW, don't you mean "whose" rather than "who's". So, would like to keep trying to look down your beak at me, Mr. Professional?

Once again:
".... I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

Again, the error is not with the spelling, but with the consistency of how the Can. gov't usually spells the word.

It is with both actually.

And there are clients "out there" that expect their ad people to come up with original ways of getting their points across, too. And those that like to do exactly this sort of thing to catch attention. So?

Once again, it depends on the situation and the parts where they wish to apply the misspellings.

Just because someone wants to use certain misspelled words on purpose in their ads to somehow get attention, doesn't mean it is proper graphic design or what they are doing is right based on general standards.... but as I said, depending on the situation we're talking about, there are exceptions to the rules.

Since I worked on signs for the Department of National Defence, I have worked on signs for the recruitment centre before, and I know of the DND's graphic standards..... I know for a fact that the sign Machjo mentioned is wrong.

Provide another example of a sign and I will tell you more about its design if you like..... but for that particular sign for the Recruitment Centre, it is wrong..... you can argue until your head implodes, but it still won't change the fact that it was "designed wrong."

Funny. If I see a crappy resume, I'd figure out how well the critter could do the job and if he/she was extremely good, then I'd hire him/her and pressure him/her to correct whatever made the resume crappy.

You might..... I wouldn't.... and believe it or not and as unfortunate as it may seem to you and CDNBear, there are more people out there like me then there are like you.

I might indeed miss out on a really good worker who knows their sh*t.... but as an employer, I'd usually be dealing with hundreds of resumes and I would simply not have the time to get to know every single one of these people or their life stories..... a resume is your first foot in the door and if you can't make a decent resume, then you're not going to get far.

I also know this from my younger years when looking for a job around here. My resume was crap, I'll admit it.... and I didn't start finding decent jobs until I actually put more effort into my Resume and how I presented myself.

Besides.... most people these days make their resumes on computers which all have spell checkers.... if they can't learn to use a damn spell cheker for their resume, then they're not worth my time.

IOW, you'd not accept a new employee based on a coffee stain on a shirt. I'd base acceptance on ability.

Indeed, I wouldn't accept them because of that.... first impressions are everything and I don't want to take the chance of hiring a slob when I could have hired someone who could not only do the job just as good (or better) but also puts more effort into their appearance and presentation because they obviously want the job more then the slob who couldn't bother to put on a friggin clean shirt for a job interview.

Don't you mean, "they're as amateur as all hell"?

".... I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

And I should be the one to get over myself? roflmao
BTW, don't you mean, "As it is a part of my job ....."?

".... I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

wow Equating yourself with the gov't now. Yup, I should get over myself. roflmao

Considering I work for the government in a manner of speaking and the topic in question is a part of my job, you're damn right.

Do you still want to attack me?

I haven't even begun to attack you.... I'm just telling you how it is.

If you can't take reality then there's all sorts of drugs you can take for that.

..... Ever heard of dyslexia? Did you know there are varying degrees of the disorder? Why not hire on ability rather than English use?

I've heard of it and known a few people who had it who were very intelligent and knew what they were doing.... I certainly don't hold it against them and if it's explained or somehow noted on a resume when reading, I'd put it under consideration and waive any issues of spelling on the resume.

But in the graphic design/sign industry, would I hire a dyslexic graphic designer who would be responsible for spelling company names and wayfinding/road signs, etc.?

No.

If they were only responsible for graphics, photo editing and didn't have to deal with letters/words often, then if their work was better then the next person's, then yes I'd hire them.

But there's a difference between a learning disability and someone who's just too damn lazy or simply doesn't care.

But according to your reasoning, if a resume is badly done, it indicates the sloppiness of the applicant. I wouldn't hire Prax for my shop.

Besides the fact that I have no interest in working for you, you haven't seen my resume yet and if we were all supposed to base our qualifications for a job based on how we post/spell in a online forum such as this one, you wouldn't qualify for a job anymore then the next person in these forums..... in fact I doubt there'd be one person in here who'd qualify for a job as I have seen every single member in these forums misspell something or used poor grammar at one time or another.

Your above argument is flawed.

 

[AnnaG]

Speaking of :roll:.... I'll direct you to what I already said:
"...... when it comes to spelling here in the forums, or in an email or letter to whoever, it doesn't really matter how you spell a word..... that is unless you're getting paid to spell it properly.

I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

Try and keep up will you?

Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does.

Like a parrot I'll repeat again, it depends on the situation and industry.

Want a cracker?

Thank you I will.

... and I'll keep laughing.
BTW, you have toilet paper hanging out your pants. But that's not why I'm laughing.

Once again:
".... I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does. Or more specifically, if you can't get it right in one circumstance, it reflects in all the others.

It is with both actually.

.... according to you. lmao

Once again, it depends on the situation and the parts where they wish to apply the misspellings.

Just because someone wants to use certain misspelled words on purpose in their ads to somehow get attention, doesn't mean it is proper graphic design or what they are doing is right based on general standards.... but as I said, depending on the situation we're talking about, there are exceptions to the rules.

Since I worked on signs for the Department of National Defence, I have worked on signs for the recruitment centre before, and I know of the DND's graphic standards..... I know for a fact that the sign Machjo mentioned is wrong.

Provide another example of a sign and I will tell you more about its design if you like..... but for that particular sign for the Recruitment Centre, it is wrong..... you can argue until your head implodes, but it still won't change the fact that it was "designed wrong."

..... according to you.

Oh, BTW, it's "Defense", not "Defence".

You might..... I wouldn't.... and believe it or not and as unfortunate as it may seem to you and CDNBear, there are more people out there like me then there are like you.

Proof?

I might indeed miss out on a really good worker who knows their sh*t.... but as an employer, I'd usually be dealing with hundreds of resumes and I would simply not have the time to get to know every single one of these people or their life stories..... a resume is your first foot in the door and if you can't make a decent resume, then you're not going to get far.

I was an employer. I didn't have hundreds of employees' resumes. Why are you assuming that employers have hundreds of employees' resumes? Some have thousands, some have dozens.

I also know this from my younger years when looking for a job around here. My resume was crap, I'll admit it.... and I didn't start finding decent jobs until I actually put more effort into my Resume and how I presented myself.

Besides.... most people these days make their resumes on computers which all have spell checkers.... if they can't learn to use a damn spell cheker for their resume, then they're not worth my time.

Yeah. There is the odd employer that prefers written resumes, though. I think it might be so they can get handwriting analyses of the applicants.

Indeed, I wouldn't accept them because of that.... first impressions are everything and I don't want to take the chance of hiring a slob when I could have hired someone who could not only do the job just as good (or better) but also puts more effort into their appearance and presentation because they obviously want the job more then the slob who couldn't bother to put on a friggin clean shirt for a job interview.

First impressions are everything? roflmao I think you may have a point here and it's likely why Canadian society is screwed up. It prefers appearances over the things that really should matter.

".... I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does.

".... I'm not getting paid to post in here, therefore I'm not as concerned on my spelling or how I word myself..... "

Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does.

Considering I work for the government in a manner of speaking and the topic in question is a part of my job, you're damn right.

Okay, Sir Joey.

I haven't even begun to attack you.... I'm just telling you how it is.

...according to you. lmao

If you can't take reality then there's all sorts of drugs you can take for that.

And I suppose you're going to claim to be a "professional" at reality, too. roflmao

Didja know the Christian god claims itself to be the only god and that it had the Bible written to prove it?
Maybe you should write a book proclaiming yourself to be a professional.

 

[Praxius]

It is perfectly acceptable. Bear already posted a couple CANADIAN dictionaries that disagreed with the one you mentioned. So, as even the dictionaries cannot agree, it is NOT fact.

It also depends on where the company comes from which prints those dictionaries.

And apparently you didn't read what Bear said his boys' dictionaries said, Mr. Professional.

I personally don't care what a dictionary says..... what matters to me is what is required in my industry.

Right, but resumes are not the be all to end all.

For some it is.

Yup, and I choose to rely on the OED, it being the definitive word on the English language, rather than relying on the word of some "professional" who seems to make loads of mistakes himself.

Once again.... typing something on one's own time is completely different them being paid to spell something right.

One would think you'd give up on this poor argument.... it's not helping you any.

Yup. And the OED is a more reliable arsehole than you. lol

Depends on if you are using the Oxford English Dictionary or the Canadian Oxford English Dictionary..... if you're not using the Canadian one, then that's where you're going wrong..... but I already explained this to you back on page one.

I need to get over myself. uhuh :roll:

Indeed you do.

The spelling is official? The gov't has actually declared that the official spelling for "center" is "centre"? Like the official game is lacrosse? The official animal is the beaver? Show us the document that says that please.

American and British English spelling differences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
^ In particular the re/er section:

"Commonwealth usage.[50] The -re endings are mostly standard throughout the Commonwealth. The -er spellings are recognised as minor variants in Canada, due in part to American influences. Proper names, particularly names incorporating the word centre/center, are an occasional source of exceptions, such as, for example, Toronto's controversially-named Centerpoint Mall. However, -re generally prevails in Canada."

While er is tolerated in this country, re is the standard.

Besides hundreds of other references online as well as countless historical references connecting Canadian English with British English..... if you ever bothered to properly educated yourself before, you'd know what I am saying is true.... but since you already admitted your English Teachers growing up were slack asses who apparently didn't care how you actually spelled things, I'm not surprised you wouldn't know.

And judging by some of your posts, you are no more a professional than Bear or me. So what?

The difference is that I am not judging your abilities based on your spelling and/or grammar in these forums..... I never once judged people based on their spelling on online forums, because it never mattered..... what matters is the point being made.

But once again.... when you are being paid to spell something, I'd expect spelling to be correct, otherwise why would I be wasting my money?

Since I am not being paid to post in here, I don't give a rats ass about my spelling, nor do I care about your spelling.

According to you, that's what the evidence and facts are.

No, according to everything outside of your little limited world, they are.

Same reason you are "wasting" your time posting these looooooong winded diatribes at the readers, I guess. For me it's light-minded entertainment.

It too is entertainment for me, however it never hurts to educate people at the same time.... and if you or others are going to spout of incorrect information or brag on about things you know nothing about, I have no issue correcting you.

.... at length. But I suppose it never occurred to you that they did the sign exactly the way the gov't intended them to do it?

Since I work for the same government and work on the exact same signs, and I know their graphical standards..... no... someone screwed up.

4.1 Signage: System overview and implementation

^ Here's one of the many graphic standards supplied for signs for the Government of Canada.... scroll all the way to the very bottom and tell me what they use.

Do they use Centre or Center?

The thing you need to know about Corporate Identity and Graphic Standards is that they are designed as the Rule for the company and anybody working for the company. How they word something, how they lay something out.... everything applied in a company's standards must be adhered to.... you may think it's anal and picky, but this is the way it is.

And if you don't like it, then how about you go and bitch to someone you think can change this, because this is how it's done pretty much all around the world when it comes to these type of Standards.

If you want to actually debate this in an educated manner, I'd suggest you read through the entire link I just provided because it clearly explains how Standards work and why they are used.

It's the French way of spelling it.

Well until I have to do signage for a French Hospital.......

Like I said, perhaps the gov't wanted the sign that way. But as a "professional", you'd probably "correct" it for them, right? roflmao

Once again Mr. Ignorant, refer to the above link.

Nope. I'm right. You deal with it. lol

I am not the one who has to deal with it.

and "Canadian Forces Recruitment Center" isn't? roflmao

No

And Barq's is a department of Coke, not an identity.roflmao It wouldn't be as much fun as poking holes in your little hypotheses, but thanks.

No, Barq's is a Brand/Product of Coca Cola, which also falls under the same standards as a logo/corporate identity... since I did work for Coca Cola in my previous job and currently do work for Pepsi and The Pepsi Bottling Group Inc. I know more about this then you do.

By all means, keep jamming that foot in your mouth.

Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does.

Want a cracker?

... and I'll keep laughing.
BTW, you have toilet paper hanging out your pants. But that's not why I'm laughing.

Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does. Or more specifically, if you can't get it right in one circumstance, it reflects in all the others.

.... according to you. lmao

..... according to you.

Oh, BTW, it's "Defense", not "Defence".

Proof?

I was an employer. I didn't have hundreds of employees' resumes. Why are you assuming that employers have hundreds of employees' resumes? Some have thousands, some have dozens.

Yeah. There is the odd employer that prefers written resumes, though. I think it might be so they can get handwriting analyses of the applicants.

First impressions are everything? roflmao I think you may have a point here and it's likely why Canadian society is screwed up. It prefers appearances over the things that really should matter.

Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does.


Yeah, but Machjo said sloppy is as sloppy does.

Okay, Sir Joey.

...according to you. lmao

And I suppose you're going to claim to be a "professional" at reality, too. roflmao

Didja know the Christian god claims itself to be the only god and that it had the Bible written to prove it?
Maybe you should write a book proclaiming yourself to be a professional.

Sloppy is as sloppy does huh?

With all those lame internet Acronyms and initialisms, you're certainly one to talk.

And depending on what one is referring to, it is indeed Defence.

Go ahead and google "Department of National Defence" and tell me what pops up. :roll:

I'm done proving you wrong.... if you can't get it by now, you never will.

 

[AnnaG]

It also depends on where the company comes from which prints those dictionaries.

And who the editors were and all that, yup. Yet you want to base your opinion on only one Canadian dictionary.

I personally don't care what a dictionary says..... what matters to me is what is required in my industry.

Yet you'll pompously claim that the rest of Canada conform to what your industry says and you pompously claim that your dictionary is the final word. lol Funny.

For some it is.

That's their problem.

Once again.... typing something on one's own time is completely different them being paid to spell something right.

One would think you'd give up on this poor argument.... it's not helping you any.

So that the world uses the OED and it isn't good enough and your company should be the definitive word on the English language? roflmao Good luck with your lofty hopes.

Depends on if you are using the Oxford English Dictionary or the Canadian Oxford English Dictionary..... if you're not using the Canadian one, then that's where you're going wrong..... but I already explained this to you back on page one.

Like you said, opinions are like arseholes. You have a big one.

Indeed you do.

Ah, so says the "professional" pot.

American and British English spelling differences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^ In particular the re/er section:

"Commonwealth usage.[50] The -re endings are mostly standard throughout the Commonwealth. The -er spellings are recognised as minor variants in Canada, due in part to American influences. Proper names, particularly names incorporating the word centre/center, are an occasional source of exceptions, such as, for example, Toronto's controversially-named Centerpoint Mall. However, -re generally prevails in Canada."

And what does "generally" mean?
I thought you said "centre" was the official version. I still haven't seen any documentation proving what you said, though.

While er is tolerated in this country, re is the standard.

So the gov't wants to be non-standard. It's still a pretty trivial issue.

Besides hundreds of other references online as well as countless historical references connecting Canadian English with British English..... if you ever bothered to properly educated yourself before, you'd know what I am saying is true.... but since you already admitted your English Teachers growing up were slack asses who apparently didn't care how you actually spelled things, I'm not surprised you wouldn't know.

If I "ever bothered to properly educated yourself before" I'd never make such a ridiculous blunder in grammar and stuff like you just did. Oh yeah, I forgot, your lame excuse for extremely sloppy English usage is that you aren't getting paid. :roll:

"Whatta maroon" - B. Bunny

The difference is that I am not judging your abilities based on your spelling and/or grammar in these forums..... I never once judged people based on their spelling on online forums, because it never mattered.....

Just whether they agreed with your views or not. Exactly.

what matters is the point being made.

My point is that the OP is an overblown balloon. A mountain of a molehill. A tempest in a thimble.
Your point is your opinion that you are the ultimate authority on the English used in signs. Big whoop. I forgot to be impressed.

But once again.... when you are being paid to spell something, I'd expect spelling to be correct, otherwise why would I be wasting my money?

What difference does it make how YOU would make a sign if you were being paid by someone else to do it THEIR way?

Since I am not being paid to post in here, I don't give a rats ass about my spelling, nor do I care about your spelling.

So? That means I am supposed to care about what you say?
roflmao

No, according to everything outside of your little limited world, they are.

Sorry, you're the one that made that claim. I said the opposite was possible.

It too is entertainment for me, however it never hurts to educate people at the same time.... and if you or others are going to spout of incorrect information or brag on about things you know nothing about, I have no issue correcting you.

Yeah, ok Sir Joey. :roll:

Since I work for the same government and work on the exact same signs, and I know their graphical standards..... no... someone screwed up.

Oh, get over yourself. lol

4.1 Signage: System overview and implementation

^ Here's one of the many graphic standards supplied for signs for the Government of Canada.... scroll all the way to the very bottom and tell me what they use.

Do they use Centre or Center?

I don't know. I didn't look.

The thing you need to know about Corporate Identity and Graphic Standards is that they are designed as the Rule for the company and anybody working for the company. How they word something, how they lay something out.... everything applied in a company's standards must be adhered to.... you may think it's anal and picky, but this is the way it is.

I don't think it's picky at all. I just don't think all comanies have the same standards on everything. Countries either.

And if you don't like it, then how about you go and bitch to someone you think can change this, because this is how it's done pretty much all around the world when it comes to these type of Standards.

Why would I bitch? I'm just here to nitpick at Machjo's nitpicking. lmao

If you want to actually debate this in an educated manner, I'd suggest you read through the entire link I just provided because it clearly explains how Standards work and why they are used.

No thanks. I'm here for fun.

Well until I have to do signage for a French Hospital.......

And what? You'd change it to the English spelling?

Once again Mr. Ignorant, refer to the above link.

No thanks, Mr. Vaginal Wart.

I am not the one who has to deal with it.

?? And you just have rambled on extensively that you are the professional that deals with it all the time because you are paid to. Now you say you don't have to deal with it? Funny guy.

No

So YOU say. I don't believe you.

No, Barq's is a Brand/Product of Coca Cola, which also falls under the same standards as a logo/corporate identity... since I did work for Coca Cola in my previous job and currently do work for Pepsi and The Pepsi Bottling Group Inc. I know more about this then you do.

lol Yeah yeah. We heard all that trumpet blowing before.

By all means, keep jamming that foot in your mouth.[/quote]Nah. my feet are under my knees. It's more fun poking fun at you.

Sloppy is as sloppy does huh?

With all those lame internet Acronyms and initialisms, you're certainly one to talk.

Actually I'm not the bombast claiming to be the authority and then screwing up what they claim to be an authority on. lol That seems to be your purvue. The only thing I claim to have expertise on is anthropology.

And depending on what one is referring to, it is indeed Defence.

Go ahead and google "Department of National Defence" and tell me what pops up. :roll:

Hey!! Here's a cookie for you. You got one right for a change. Both ways of spelling are ok. hehehe

I'm done proving you wrong.... if you can't get it by now, you never will.

aaaawww Don't wanna play no more?

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Aw c'mon kids, stay centered(centred)...don't give up yet. I'm really enjoying this volley back and forth. Much better than radio and I just popped a bag of kernels.

 

[AnnaG]

Aw c'mon kids, stay centered(centred)...don't give up yet. I'm really enjoying this volley back and forth. Much better than radio and I just popped a bag of kernels.

Sorry. Apparently, I found the limit to how far I can prod him.
It was fun though.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm just explaining how it is, you're the one not "Getting It"

No, you're telling me how you think it is. According to two students and the Funk and Wagnall College Dictionary, both arethe correct spelling.

I'm not passing judgment on anything, I'm just telling it as it is..... it is wrong, because it is wrong.... I can not judge that it is right, because it simple isn't.... it's just plain fact that it is wrong.

That sure does sound like a judgment, lmao.

Not when it comes to the Designer, which was the point. :roll: I swear you guys just like to not read things in order to keep the argument going.

Really? This looks lie a classic case of projection. Because the last two paragraphs were telling me I'm wrong, then this one is telling me it isn't really wrong, from a designers perspective.

Which is it?

Then that of course depends on the job at hand.... but once again, the point was the general view of resumes we're all taught growing up and entering the work force.... crappy looking resumes are generally not looked upon highly.

I agree, but I also wonder how many truly gifted individuals were stuck schlepping burgers, because they couldn't make a pretty resume.

It has nothing to do with being bigger then someone else.... it's a matter of choice.

Now it's a choice?

You choose one thing for your own reasons and as I said, so be it...... I choose something else for my own reasons and you say you're bigger then that..... doesn't sound very big to me when you try and justify your reasons for choosing something as being better then someone else's when one's choices and reasons are subjective to the individual.

That's your opinion.

It's like opinions being like arseholes.....

True.

No, I got your point, I just figured I'd give you some of the crap you've been dishing me.... fun ain't it? ;-)

That's about what I'd figured you'd say, seeing as you missed the point.

It's not the only thing, but it is a part of my overall review of a company.

Then like I said, get help.

I'd recommend you do the same....

Projecting again.

as I already said, I'm only stating how it is, I am not stating or trying to force everybody to confirm to my views..... you are not a graphic designer or in the sign industry like I am, but in my field of work, this is how it is.

That's great, I don't care, but you still haven't proven center is the incorrect spelling.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game...... as mentioned before, if the game in this country changes the official spelling to Center, I will spell it that way..... but until then.....

The country apparently is already ahead of you.

If I missed the point, it's because I'm responding to your comments that already missed the original point....

Hmm, baffle gab will get you nowhere.

*shakes head* exactly how many times do I have to explain it to you that when it comes to your precious personal life, I don't care what you do or how you spell things?

Funny how that has very little to do with the context of that string.

My entire point in this thread is geared directly towards the sign in question, the government's ability to review something and how it is in the industry I work in...... this is how it is.... unless you are working in my field and are a graphic designer, or unless you're wanting advertisements for your place of business, it doesn't matter how you spell something.

And my point is, it isn't, when it comes to the word "center". You can try and swing the conversation to spelling as a whole all you want, but the thread is about the spelling of the word center. It's the center of the conversation, lol.

The position you are trying to argue makes about as much sense as me trying to tell you that it doesn't matter how your company welds something, so long as it looks to me that it sticks together..... or me telling you to weld aluminum to steel since they're both metals.

No it isn't. That's what you would like it to be. But the fact is, center is an accepted spelling. You're trying to argue the broader issue of quality signage, so you might get a "win", or look right. Give up, you won't win.

There are certain things required by your industry just as there are for mine..... and since my company does welding too, I am fully aware you don't weld aluminum to steel..... just another one of those points.

Awesome.

Because in some cases it does.....

Not unless it's part of a corporate name.

and clearly by others in this thread who know what they're talking about, I'm not the only one who believes this.

It appears that it is just you and Mach. Nugg's just a sh!t disturber like myself.

What you do in your personal life and/or how you post in these forums is not the same thing as what you do for your job or your quality of service.

Irrelevant to the spelling of center.

If you owned and operated these forums though and you continually misspelled the text on the buttons/links or other parts of the forum, then what I say would apply and I would consider your forum as amateur.

Actually, I'm a member of a hunting site owned and operate by a 16 year old kid. When I joined there were tons of errors. But the site was above par for info, photography and mature participation. Go figure.

No, it is not According to me, it's according to the Industry and according to reality.... I didn't make the rules and I didn't invent Canadian English.

And yet the resources I have supplied state you are in fact incorrect and that center is an acceptable spelling. Go figure, you aren't passing judgment, lol.

I'm telling you how it is...

But you aren't passing judgment? lol...

the evidence and facts are out there in your elementary/high schools, your universities, on the internet and on the links already provided in this thread.

I already looked it up, asked an Elementary student and a High school student, who directed me to the dictionary he was told was an excellent and preferred source, the Funk and Wagnall Canadian College Dictionary. Seems it isn't I that needs to check out Elementary school again.

You're trying to argue fault on my side of the argument which already has decades of evidence and facts backing it up, while your side of the argument is based around your subjective laziness of not caring how things are supposed to be spelled.

No it isn't, as I said from the beginning, it's an accepted spelling of the word, as common as centre, if not more so. I supplied the source of choice for high learning in Canada as my support. I have explained the evolution of our lexicon. If you want to stagnate on one word feel free. Language is fluid and changes with time. Have fun in the dark ages.

You're wasting your precious time fighting an already lost battle in this subject and if it's really not that big of a deal and you really don't care how something is spelled.... .then once again, why the hell are you still wasting your time in this thread arguing an already lost position?

Because the position isn't lost, for me anyways, and I'm trying to see if I can get you to type out a full page post.

I wouldn't blow a gasket, I'd just consider the local sign company in the area who did those signs as amateurs, which is what I have already said.

It's not that small a town. There's almost a dozen sign companies in the yellow pages.

I'm done proving you wrong.... if you can't get it by now, you never will.

Quite.

 

[Praxius]

..... I don't know. I didn't look......

And that is precisely why I'm no longer continuing this with you since all you care to do is troll the topic, avoid any realistic debate on the actual subject and will avoid any and all chances of being proved wrong.

You didn't look and you don't know because you want to remain completely ignorant so you can keep running this topic around for your trolling desires, rather then have a grown up conversation and possibly learn something.

You ask for sh*t to prove you wrong and when it's given to you, you ignore it?

That's just pathetic and lame and an example of a piss poor debater..... and that is why my discussion on this subject in relation to you ends with this post.

And for the record, I'm no where near pissed off.... in fact on the contrary, all of this has just further proven my position right and exposed you and completely clueless on the subject... nothing more needs to be said, because anybody with half a brain and wanting to understand why things are the way they are have all the information they require.

Try and snipe or troll all you wish after this, I won't be looking back into this thread to give a damn.... since once everything has been said, I move on.

 

[CDNBear]

And that is precisely why I'm no longer continuing this with you since all you care to do is troll the topic, avoid any realistic debate on the actual subject and will avoid any and all chances of being proved wrong.

Funny, that's pretty much what I thought you were doing. Since you conveniently ignore the Canadian College dictionary and the fact that center is a legitimate spelling.

You didn't look and you don't know because you want to remain completely ignorant so you can keep running this topic around for your trolling desires, rather then have a grown up conversation and possibly learn something.

Again, that shoe would fit you nicely too.

You ask for sh*t to prove you wrong and when it's given to you, you ignore it?

Hmmm, pot meet kettle.

That's just pathetic and lame and an example of a piss poor debater.....

I agree.

and that is why my discussion on this subject in relation to you ends with this post.

Need a hug?

To be honest Prax, neither of us is right or wrong, in regards to the spelling of the word. The only error, that I can find, is in your insistence that it is indeed the wrong spelling, and that is all that matters.

It may matter to you in your participation in the industry. But given the very many "centers" I see out and about. It seems that the evolution of the word is well under way, and eventually it will be just the Brits stuck with that antiquated French inspired spelling.

 

[TenPenny]

Incidentally, in the telephone book, they are listed as the '...Recruiting Centre', however, on the website, they list 'Recruiting Centers'.