Canadian forces Recruiting 'Center'?

Machjo

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It looks like the same thing, doesn't it?

Yes, and again, near the top of the page, it is spelt 'centre', with 'center' appearing only at the bottom within archaic historical spelling contexts, always referring to British norms.

Again, in the paper dictionary I have, the two are indicated, with centre coming first, and center appearing in brackets with the clarification that that is the US spelling. So clearly they make a national distinction between the spellings.
 

AnnaG

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In the Concise Oxford Dictionary I have, it is listed under 'centre' with 'center' appearing in brackets thus:

(US center)

It would appear in your dictionary it's even worse as it doesn't even mention it. It just defaults to it and then ignores it altogether from there on in except in archaic historical references.
Whatever appears to you is irrelevant. IMO, until the OED considers "center" to be inappropriate spelling, I will think that OED is fine with either spelling.
 

Machjo

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That is more to the point, although people can switch to one from the other as long as the switch is somewhat long-lasting.

Well, if Canada want's to switch to 'center', I have no problem with it. But if we do, then let's at least be consistent about it and not have different government institutions flipping a coin on it every other day. It just looks ugly and inconsistent when that happens.
 

AnnaG

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Well, if Canada want's to switch to 'center', I have no problem with it. But if we do, then let's at least be consistent about it and not have different government institutions flipping a coin on it every other day. It just looks ugly and inconsistent when that happens.
If gov't writes a report or a news release, or a question form, etc. then, yes, I can see consistency being a big deal.
Otherwise, it's something for nitpickers to worry over.

in the case of dnd, this is an issue of inconsistency.
I.D.C.
 

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Also, AnnaG, I don't know what kind of dictionary you have, but is it a prescriptive one or descriptive one. Some dictionaries are extremely descriptive, presenting all of the common spellings of words. More prescriptive ones will present only the most common spellings and even then usually indicate the preferred spelling based on their standards. Most dictionaries are at least somewhat prescriptive, as is mine. Prescriptive dictionaries are the most commonly used when deciding how to spell a word in any formal context. Descriptive dictionaries are more academic in presenting all the various spellings that may have existed through the centuries of the English language, but certainly not what you'd want to reference in deciding how to spell something n a formal context. by what you're describing, it sounds like you have a descriptive dictionary. They are not bad in and of themselves, but they do serve a different purpose.

If gov't writes a report or a news release, or a question form, etc. then, yes, I can see consistency being a big deal.
Otherwise, it's something for nitpickers to worry over.

It is a Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre. You would expect it to put its best face forward, no?

And what is I.D.C. anyway?
 

AnnaG

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that's where clyde met bonnie, and the rest is history.
woot!

Also, AnnaG, I don't know what kind of dictionary you have, but is it a prescriptive one or descriptive one. Some dictionaries are extremely descriptive, presenting all of the common spellings of words. More prescriptive ones will present only the most common spellings and even then usually indicate the preferred spelling based on their standards. Most dictionaries are at least somewhat prescriptive, as is mine. Prescriptive dictionaries are the most commonly used when deciding how to spell a word in any formal context. Descriptive dictionaries are more academic in presenting all the various spellings that may have existed through the centuries of the English language, but certainly not what you'd want to reference in deciding how to spell something n a formal context. by what you're describing, it sounds like you have a descriptive dictionary. They are not bad in and of themselves, but they do serve a different purpose.
From the OED Online "About us" page:
About the Oxford English Dictionary

The OED covers words from across the English-speaking world.
The Oxford English Dictionary is the accepted authority on the evolution of the English language over the last millennium. It is an unsurpassed guide to the meaning, history, and pronunciation of over half a million words, both present and past. It traces the usage of words through 2.5 million quotations from a wide range of international English language sources, from classic literature and specialist periodicals to film scripts and cookery books.
The OED covers words from across the English-speaking world, from North America to South Africa, from Australia and New Zealand to the Caribbean. It also offers the best in etymological analysis and in listing of variant spellings, and it shows pronunciation using the International Phonetic Alphabet.
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It is a Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre. You would expect it to put its best face forward, no?
Then you should have mentioned something about consistency in your OP, not something about spelling correctness.

And what is I.D.C. anyway?
I Don't Care. lol
 

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..... You want to nitpick about a word? Try the pronunciation of "kilometer". Hubby and I both learned the pronunciation was "KILL o meter" and since Turdeau inflicted French on us concerning everything language-wise, some people have been using "ki LOM eter". Excuse me but do they also say "ki LOG ram", ki LOP ascal", ki LOL iter", ki LOT onne? :roll:

Actually that all depends on your accent and where you come from.... the word is pronounced differently in the Maritimes compared to say out in the Prairies.

How one pronounces a word isn't as important as how they spell it and that has more to do with accent then it does with actual pronunciation.... if how you pronounced something was somehow more important then how you spell something, then we'd all probably still have British accents.

As an example, I pronounce "Kilometre" as "Kel'Om'It'r" while you pronounce it as "Kill'O'Meter"..... yet someone with a British or Australian accent would probably pronounce it completely different..... and within each country, depending on the region you come from, it can be pronounced differently still..... yet the spelling remains the same.
 

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Direct from the OP: not one word about consistency, but I did find this; "But we would have thought the Canadian Armed Forces would have ensured the spelling was correct as per our standards.".

Actually that all depends on your accent and where you come from.... the word is pronounced differently in the Maritimes compared to say out in the Prairies.

How one pronounces a word isn't as important as how they spell it and that has more to do with accent then it does with actual pronunciation.... if how you pronounced something was somehow more important then how you spell something, then we'd all probably still have British accents.
:)

As an example, I pronounce "Kilometre" as "Kel'Om'It'r" while you pronounce it as "Kill'O'Meter".....
Nope. People around here say it both ways. Les and I both pronounce it like "KILL o meter" (as in KILL o gram", "Kill o tonne", "KILL o liter", etc.) not "Kill'O'Meter" or "Kel'Om'It'r".
yet someone with a British or Australian accent would probably pronounce it completely different..... and within each country, depending on the region you come from, it can be pronounced differently still..... yet the spelling remains the same.
Nope. both "kilometer" and "kilometre" are perfectly acceptable ways of spelling it.
 

Praxius

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So you think "centre" is more "proper" than "center"? You'd better notify Oxford their dictionary is wrong and "center" is not proper then.

Perhaps you should have paid better attention in school as well as to what I was explaining.

I have no interest in bitching to the US or some dictionary on how they spell something.

If you're referring towards the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, perhaps you should, once again, pay attention:

Canadian Oxford Dictionary
Canadian Oxford Dictionary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..... The Canadian Oxford Dictionary second edition contains 300,000 entries, including about 2,200 true Canadianisms. It also provides information on Canadian pronunciation and on Canadian spelling, which has features of both British and American spellings – colour, centre, and travelling, but tire, aluminum, and program.

It is used by most major Canadian newspapers, publishing houses, and the Canadian government.

Sorry, what were you saying again?
 

AnnaG

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Perhaps you should have paid better attention in school as well as to what I was explaining.
Why? The school I went to apparently had teachers that were ok with whatever spelling and pronunciation was fine with the world because no-one ever said anything about how I used the words.

I have no interest in bitching to the US or some dictionary on how they spell something.
Good for you.

If you're referring towards the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, perhaps you should, once again, pay attention:

Canadian Oxford Dictionary
Canadian Oxford Dictionary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again, I.D.C.



Sorry, what were you saying again?
What I was saying is that both spellings for center are fine. You have comprehension problems?
 

Praxius

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Why? The school I went to apparently had teachers that were ok with whatever spelling and pronunciation was fine with the world because no-one ever said anything about how I used the words.

Then your teachers were lazy slack asses or simply just as ignorant on proper Canadian English. I also say that as a son of a school teacher who had much of this beaten into his head growing up.... which would seem as though it should have been beaten into your head in an equal fashion.

Again, I.D.C.
I am assuming IDC stands for "I Don't Care" ~ If so and you don't care, then why are you still posting in this thread while making baseless claims of what the Dictionary says, when it clearly doesn't?

What I was saying is that both spellings for center are fine. You have comprehension problems?
And I am saying is that when it comes to the Canadian Government, the Canadian Sign Industry and proper advertisement in this Country, both are not fine.

Speaking of comprehension problems, I already explained I have no issue with either forms of the word and I already admitted that in the past I have probably used "Center" in a few of my posts in these forums..... but when it comes to professionalism and being paid to know wtf you're doing like I am, "Centre" is proper Canadian English, especially when it comes to advertising for an institution for the Canadian Government or any other business in this country.

But since this apparently isn't part of your job like it is mine, I don't expect you to know this.

The moment "Centre" is officially changed to "Center" in this country, I too will change how I spell it.... but until then, I am right and you are wrong.

If I move to the US and start working there, then I will switch to using "Center".... but until then, I will continue to spell it as it should be within this country.

I personally don't give a rats ass if you post in these forums using "Center".... do so all you wish.... but when it comes to professionalism in the industry I work in, if you went around here making signs and advertisements using "Center" I'd call you a 2nd rate amateur who obviously should have failed basic elementary English and you'd never get a job from me until you learned to spell it properly.

You're not only making yourself look like an amateur when you do this, you'd be making my business look bad as well.

It'd be just as bad as you making a billboard advertisement using Txt Speech like OMG, UberzN00b!!!11!!1!H4x0rZ...... while the message would probably get across to some reading the billboard, just about everybody else would think whoever made the billboard was a moron.
 

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Mole hill...mountain....

Much ado about nothing.

Can someone pass me a rain coat? The blood from that dead horse will stain you know.
 

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To be technically correct, 'kilo' is always pronounced 'keelo', so the old habit of saying 'kuh lom eter' is an incorrect pronunciation, but quite common.

The official spelling is 'metre', except in the US where the official spelling is 'meter'
 

AnnaG

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To be technically correct, 'kilo' is always pronounced 'keelo', so the old habit of saying 'kuh lom eter' is an incorrect pronunciation, but quite common.
lol I've rarely hear anyone pronounce it "keel- etc." except for Spanish speakers and anyone else who uses the "ee" phonics for "i".

The official spelling is 'metre', except in the US where the official spelling is 'meter'
OED says meter and metre are both correct spellings.

Mole hill...mountain....
Massively.

Like I said, you guys can nitpick all you want, but I'll stick with what Oxford says about the English language.