Obama - What is your opinion so far on his Presidency
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"20 points" for knowing the first letter of your name. He did win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Learn what a filibuster is before saying it happened. The Health Bill did have one, but Wall Street reform and your ever popular gay rights did not. Just because a few senators oppose something does not mean there was a filibuster. Filibuster is used as a last ditch effort to thwart a bill, and used carefully at that. As for the Health Care plan, it still has some hurdles to overcome, one big one is how will it be supported.
Wall Street reform was repeatedly filibustered by the Republicans, held up in the senate for a long time. Eventually Democrats were able to persuade one or two Republican senators to vote for the reform (they might have made some changes in the legislation to satisfy them), and that broke the filibuster.
As to gay rights legislation, I don’t remember exactly what happened; it was done a while ago. But I do recall they had to reward the Republicans by giving them an expensive weapons system (one which Obama was opposed to). At least some Republican votes were bought out by that. Some anti-gay crusaders were hoping that Obama would veto the bill, since it contained a weapons system that he didn’t want.
But Republican filibuster played a part in all these measures.
As to filibuster being the weapon of the last resort, that used to be true, but not any more. These days it is the weapon of the first resort. Republicans have threatened filibuster for almost every measure proposed (including for the Supreme Court nominees) and have tried to use it numerous times (sometimes unsuccessfully).
Obama gets the credit for passing Wall Street Reform, over Republican objections. As to how it will play out, who knows? That is true about alomst every legislation, nobody can predict how it will play out, we just have to wait and see. But Obama did get it passed, and he gets credit for that.
Are you saying Obama did that? Do you know when Falklands war was fought? It seems to me that is just a bit of junk you picked up from some far right website.
Richard Head said:
I didn't see anyone saying anything about the Falklands war. Just about the Falklands. Perhaps you haven't been following the news for the last few months.
Dear Dear Sir Joseph
Appreciate your many ideas presented here - but as to your responses on this topic I have to write:
"You've just gotta live it to understand."
It's a disaster - the man is unqualified and as many believe was never eligible but I won't even go near that one.
Appreciate your many ideas presented here - but as to your responses on this topic I have to write:
"You've just gotta live it to understand."
It's a disaster - the man is unqualified and as many believe was never eligible but I won't even go near that one.
That is politics, Curiosity, people will disagree on that. As to whether he is qualified, I don't think he is any more unqualified than Reagan, Bush or Clinton. It remains to be seen how well he does his job, he has been in office less than two years, out of a maximum possible eight years. Let us give him four years before we judge him.
Clinton was highly unpopular after two years, he easily won the reelection. Bush had popularity of more than 90% one year before the election, he lost to Clinton. So let us just wait and see.
Here is tha reform your talking about.
Wall Street reform calls for 68 new studies
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/cnnm/SIG=10n9igp4d/*http://money.cnn.com/
Jennifer Liberto, senior writer, On Tuesday July 6, 2010, 8:38 am
In Washington, there's a code phrase for the middle ground that lawmakers find after a torrent of industry lobbying or partisan debate: "Let's do a study."
The Wall Street reform bill may be the most extreme example: The legislation, which could become law later this month, orders government officials to conduct some 68 studies, according to a CNNMoney analysis.
Instead of toughening up ethical and marketing standards for financial planners, Congress studies the issue in the financial overhaul bill. Instead of making it easier to sue lawyers, accountants and bankers who help commit securities fraud, Congress studies the issue.
Wall Street reform calls for 68 new studies - Yahoo! Finance
It might get Obama another international prize, fo nothing.
Wall Street reform calls for 68 new studies
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/cnnm/SIG=10n9igp4d/*http://money.cnn.com/
Jennifer Liberto, senior writer, On Tuesday July 6, 2010, 8:38 am
In Washington, there's a code phrase for the middle ground that lawmakers find after a torrent of industry lobbying or partisan debate: "Let's do a study."
The Wall Street reform bill may be the most extreme example: The legislation, which could become law later this month, orders government officials to conduct some 68 studies, according to a CNNMoney analysis.
Instead of toughening up ethical and marketing standards for financial planners, Congress studies the issue in the financial overhaul bill. Instead of making it easier to sue lawyers, accountants and bankers who help commit securities fraud, Congress studies the issue.
Wall Street reform calls for 68 new studies - Yahoo! Finance
It might get Obama another international prize, fo nothing.
Falklands has been a British project, never an American one. During the Falklands war, USA did not take sides between Britain and Argentina, it stayed neutral. USA has never supported Britain on Falklands in the past, why should it start now?
Can't argue your words Sir Joseph
He will be given his due time as he was elected to spend, but it is already at a terrible cost of many ignored issues he doesn't seem to recognized as "top of the heap" preferring to choose the more public relations' style of getting things "done".
I understand even to campaign for a presidency must command a full-fledged well schooled intelligent individual who is certain he/she has all the answers, but there is another step only a wise President must take - and that is to check out other sources before making decisions. He seems to prefer the dictatorial modality which is not working for him.
He actually frightens me as to what will be left when he finally turns off the lights in the Oval.
He will be given his due time as he was elected to spend, but it is already at a terrible cost of many ignored issues he doesn't seem to recognized as "top of the heap" preferring to choose the more public relations' style of getting things "done".
I understand even to campaign for a presidency must command a full-fledged well schooled intelligent individual who is certain he/she has all the answers, but there is another step only a wise President must take - and that is to check out other sources before making decisions. He seems to prefer the dictatorial modality which is not working for him.
He actually frightens me as to what will be left when he finally turns off the lights in the Oval.
That was probably all that could be passed over Republican filibuster. If Repulbicans had their way, there would be no Wall Street reform. I assume teabaggers want to repeal even this modest reform when they take over the control of Senate and House (which seems to be a foregone conclusion, at least according to teabaggers).
Anyway, if the reform does nothing, then why were Republicans so adamantly opposed to it, why did they hold it up in the Senate for such a long time?
Well, we will see what Americans think of him in 2012, I suppose.
SJP
Do some research on US support to the Brits prior to during and after the Falklands War- You are wrong.
Falklands War 1982 - early diplomatic events
Sir Joseph
I turned on the news and Fox was on - this was one of their stories this morning - no doubt any other alphabet network will have it on and rebroadcast for you into Canada as well.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/05/nasa-chief-frontier-better-relations-muslims/
This is the kind of ballet dancer thinking (I love you - you love me) Obama's indulges in - it is fine for a human rights specialist and I agree with it - but not when you have a Space Station which is "astronomical" in potential and has cost "astronomical financial expenditure"...and he wants to operate like a Boy Scout Camp to befriend Muslims?
It's just too weird to believe Sir Joseph - like I said before - You just have to live under it....
Curio
I turned on the news and Fox was on - this was one of their stories this morning - no doubt any other alphabet network will have it on and rebroadcast for you into Canada as well.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/05/nasa-chief-frontier-better-relations-muslims/
This is the kind of ballet dancer thinking (I love you - you love me) Obama's indulges in - it is fine for a human rights specialist and I agree with it - but not when you have a Space Station which is "astronomical" in potential and has cost "astronomical financial expenditure"...and he wants to operate like a Boy Scout Camp to befriend Muslims?
It's just too weird to believe Sir Joseph - like I said before - You just have to live under it....
Curio
Officially Reagan may have supported Britain. However, I remember Secretary of State Alexander Haig saying something like, “Falklands was a boil on the face of South America and it was about time somebody lanced it”. Something to that effect.
USA was trying to play both the sides. Especially after Britain torpedoed ‘General Belgrano’, the US attitude towards Britain cooled considerably. Argentina torpedoed HMS Sheffield in response.
Also, while Reagan promised aid to Britain and imposed sanctions against Argentina (the sanctions were meaningless), I don’t recall USA actually giving Britain any aid. And Haig’s comments about lancing the boil caused outrage in Britain (I was living in Britain at that time).
Sir Joseph
Off topic - but here's a link you might want to see...
http://www.naval-history.net/F16diplomacy.htm
Off topic - but here's a link you might want to see...
http://www.naval-history.net/F16diplomacy.htm
Curiosity, any time now you may expect - and you will get - a response saying that your link in post #111 is totally unbelievable, unacceptable, fradulent and false, just because it was reported by FOXNews.
There are those whose life-long habit is judging a book by its cover.
There are those whose life-long habit is judging a book by its cover.
Hi YukonJack
Well Fox isn't liked in Canada I understand - but the story is on the internet so the other stations will probably have milked down versions -
Obama is more frightening than a new missile - he smiles while he gives us away.
Well Fox isn't liked in Canada I understand - but the story is on the internet so the other stations will probably have milked down versions -
Obama is more frightening than a new missile - he smiles while he gives us away.
Here is "HOPE" for economic recovery:
WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Barack Obama: The great jobs killer - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com
WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Barack Obama: The great jobs killer - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com
Another link re Obama and Muslim friendship outreach
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/05/nasas-spaced-out-mission-no-longer-includes-space
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/05/nasas-spaced-out-mission-no-longer-includes-space
Perhaps the Annointed One should worry more about voters (still a majority) at home than pleasing those who, by definition, could not care less about what he thinks, i.e. the Muslim world.
washingtonpost.com
Those of you who routinely dismiss the most powerful name in news should note that this article is by none other than an Obama sycophant published in an Obama worshipper paper.
washingtonpost.com
Those of you who routinely dismiss the most powerful name in news should note that this article is by none other than an Obama sycophant published in an Obama worshipper paper.
Curio, what is the problem with the chief officer of a science heavy organization doing this kind of work? The finances are set by Congress, and there are no doubt many fine accountants and other financial managers who look after the day to day and long-term capital projects in the NASA portfolio.
In my meetings with the big wigs in the company I work for, it seems that they are involved with lots of outreach besides the day to day operations, which are really delegated to the management below. I don't see the issue with doing so here. NASA and the ESA work cooperatively, NASA works cooperatively with the Russian FKA, with the Chinese CSNA...cutting-edge science works much better collaboratively. The Muslim world has nations with space programs, not manned, but with remote sensing satellite programs.
I'm really confused about the issue here. Iran launched a satellite with China and Thailand, aimed at increasing the cooperation on natural disasters. The program uses 6 satellites, which monitor changes related to flooding, typhoons, drought, landslides...
Cooperation is good. A program administrator's job is not just to be accountable for the finances.