Obama - What is your opinion so far on his Presidency

[Goober]

What are the conditions to bring those jobs back? Tax cuts? Been there done that. Deficit reduction? That would likely make the jobs issue worse.

I don't see them bringing jobs back until they start blocking the border to cheap foreign products created in markets with artificial currency values.

You know as well as I that the major problem has been US spending by consumers and the Govt - next the Chinese are no pun intended super savers - The save a disproportionate amount of their income - I have read as high as 40% giving the Chinese Govt lots of Yuan to move around.

Raising the Yuan will have some affect but changing the Chinese from proliferate saver to consumers is a major hurdle.

Next - Salary paid for workers - have you kept pace with the riots over low salaries - again a problem for the Govt.

Yuan - Say the Chinese let it appreciate 20 even 40 % companies will move their work to lower cost countries. So again a problem - Massive unemployment - he Chinese Govt is terrified of public unrest - Witness the so called Public Corruption campaigns that run now and again.

Myself - I think the whole system will go thru a major revolution - public uprising within the next 20 years or so - perhaps sooner.

 

[Kreskin]

You know as well as I that the major problem has been US spending by consumers and the Govt - next the Chinese are no pun intended super savers - The save a disproportionate amount of their income - I have read as high as 40% giving the Chinese Govt lots of Yuan to move around.

Raising the Yuan will have some affect but changing the Chinese from proliferate saver to consumers is a major hurdle.

Next - Salary paid for workers - have you kept pace with the riots over low salaries - again a problem for the Govt.

Yuan - Say the Chinese let it appreciate 20 even 40 % companies will move their work to lower cost countries. So again a problem - Massive unemployment - he Chinese Govt is terrified of public unrest - Witness the so called Public Corruption campaigns that run now and again.

Myself - I think the whole system will go thru a major revolution - public uprising within the next 20 years or so - perhaps sooner.

I agree with you Goober. Anyone who thinks any President could change what's happening overnight is dreaming. Change of the magnitude required is a long term process.

 

[ironsides]

What are the conditions to bring those jobs back? Tax cuts? Been there done that. Deficit reduction? That would likely make the jobs issue worse.

I don't see them bringing jobs back until they start blocking the border to cheap foreign products created in markets with artificial currency values.

There are no conditions to bring those jobs back, no question they will be replaced sometime by new ones though. The problem is what to do about retraining the 35-60 year olds who lost their jobs. Most of them will probably never work at a meaningful steady job again, just part time. The new work force will be working at lower wages with a minimal state run healthcare system. There won't any incentive for companies to have health plans like they used to have. Those new jobs I mentioned have to be created fairly fast before another generation gets caught in the unemployment loop. Blocking the border, regulating imports and start bringing jobs now overseas back can only help, we still have the money to purchase.

 

[Tonington]

Change Obama voters can be proud of and believe in:


YouTube - 'Dozens' of US citizens on assassination list, White House adviser hints

Oh my!

 

[G__]

His biggest achievement was,to reinstall trust and hope in the United States by it´s allies and to regain vital trust in the Muslim world.
You can´t start a holy war with the Muslim world and our core values don´t even allow it.
President Obama is pulling the States and with it the whole west,away from an abyss.

 

[Goober]

His biggest achievement was,to reinstall trust and hope in the United States by it´s allies and to regain vital trust in the Muslim world.
You can´t start a holy war with the Muslim world and our core values don´t even allow it.
President Obama is pulling the States and with it the whole west,away from an abyss.

And his next trick will be to turn greenhouse gas into a new energy source, and you will also be able to eat it as well - Solving Global Warming and World Hunger in one master stroke.

 

[YukonJack]

'His biggest achievement was,to reinstall trust and hope in the United States by it´s allies and to regain vital trust in the Muslim world."

Yeah, right! The Muslim world now loves American infidels so much now, that they will just lay down their weapons in Iraq and Afganistan.

Dream on!

"You can´t start a holy war with the Muslim world and our core values don´t even allow it. President Obama is pulling the States and with it the whole west,away from an abyss."

What the Hell is that?

Here is an article by Canadian "journalist" who has his head way up Obama's rear end:

Happy Fourth of July – America needs it - The Globe and Mail

 

[G__]

'His biggest achievement was,to reinstall trust and hope in the United States by it´s allies and to regain vital trust in the Muslim world."

Yeah, right! The Muslim world now loves American infidels so much now, that they will just lay down their weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dream on!

"You can´t start a holy war with the Muslim world and our core values don´t even allow it. President Obama is pulling the States and with it the whole west,away from an abyss."

What the Hell is that?

Here is an article by Canadian "journalist" who has his head way up Obama's rear end:

Happy Fourth of July – America needs it - The Globe and Mail

You quite get it don´t you?
The Muslim world represents 1.2 billion people.As every other human race,most of them are trying to achieve the same goals as we do,live prosperious and raise kids.Pushing the whole Muslim world in a holy war is not such a good idea,influencing them by means of free information flow is the thing to do.
Your childish remark about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq just show,how little you understand about the topic.
Both wars where started and escalated by a president whose only answer was a military one.Both conflicts will need to be solved by political measures.
The Soviet Union fought in Afghanistan for 11 years and couldn´t brake the resistance with military might.
The Iraqi people are disappointed for good reason,yet they are even far more open for an intelligent solution.
As I can see that you are a conservative....well,you guys have always the simple solution,right?Just send somebody else kids (best case black) to fight your wars....dream on!

And his next trick will be to turn greenhouse gas into a new energy source, and you will also be able to eat it as well - Solving Global Warming and World Hunger in one master stroke.

Worried that your oil pumps become obsolete?

 

[Extrafire]

Here is startling video of economic retail expert Howard Davidowitz giving his assessment of the U.S. Economy and the leadership of President Obama. Davidowitz has previously bluntly said that Obama is the “worst President of my lifetime.”
In this video, Davidowitz says the U.S. Economy is in shambles, and is likely to continue experiencing high unemployment and weakness for years to come. He said Obama has managed to convince people to follow his ideas, but in reality, he is “one big bag of empty words.”
On what the future holds for the U.S. Economy, Davidowitz pointed to the massive deficits created by Obama’s out-of-control spending as the reason why there is really no end in sight to the economic problems facing the country:

“He is Mr. Mass Destruction. I mean he is a human destroyer. This guy has spent his way into oblivion and we don’t have a budget. He is surrounded by a bunch of complete incompetents, led by himself, and he’s spending like crazy, and we keep digging the hole bigger.”
​

Video at the link - Weasel Zippers Blog Archive Retail Expert Calls Obama ?Mr. Mass Destruction? on U.S. Economy ? Video

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The Presidential Scholars weigh in:
Scholars Rank Obama the 15th Best President - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Obama enters list at 15th. History will not be kind to his predecessor, GWB has dropped from 23rd after his first year in office, to 39th.

I don't know what they asked their ranking upon, but I don't think Obama has been iun the office for a sufficient time to rank him accurately.

An article from American Thinker by Geoffrey P. Hunt

Interesting article by a right wing hatemonger, ironsides. But he really let the cat out of the bag towards the middle of the article. He told us the real reason why he hates Obama with such a visceral passion.

It's that he's not one of us. And whatever he is, his profile is fuzzy and devoid of content, like a cardboard cutout made from delaminated corrugated paper.

And that is the nub, the right wing extremists don’t consider Obama as one of them, they don’t consider him an American. Sure they hated Clinton with a passion, but Clinton was at least a white male, he was one of them. Obama isn’t. That really summed up the reason for most of his hatred towards Obama.

No doubt he is one of those teabaggers who think that Republicans will end up with huge majorities in the Senate and the House in 2010, will win the presidency in 2012 and increase their majorities in both the houses and will bring paradise on earth in 2012, pretty much the way they brought paradise to USA from 2000 to 2008. Well, good luck with that.

Anyway, the teabagger is absolutely right, the reason teabaggers hate Obama with a passion is that he is not one of them, he is not a white male.

SJP
My apologies - Have not mastered the quote format yet.

Quoting Kreskin
What difference would that free expertise have made? None. It is what it is. Would Bush or any Rep have convinced BP (or shook them down) for 20 billion? Not a chance in a lifetime.
Bush would not have done that, he would heve done what Barton wanted done, he would have left BP to handle the leak as they saw best. BP would have done the minimum required legally (which is very little).
Bush if anything would have been even more sympathetic to BP than, Burton. Bush was an oil executive himself and as such his loyalties were with oil industry.

Point - Reading tea leaves again - No eveidence other than conjecture - next it is also easy to blame Bush for what he may have done or not done - As he is not President he is still a usefull tool for some people.

Conjecture, yes. But conjecture based upon solid evidence. Bush used to be an oil executive himself, so it stands to reason that he would give BP a free pass. Add to that the fact that his VP formulated energy policy by solely consulting oil industry (and nobody else) and it is practically a foregone conclusion that Bush would have gone much easier on BP than Obama did. Bush woudl have followed Barton's advice to the letter.

He has a big employment problem to solve to will be goodbye Mr. President in 2012.


7.9 million jobs lost, many forever.
The recession killed off 7.9 million jobs. It's increasingly likely that many will never come back.
The government jobs report issued Friday shows that businesses have slowed their pace of hiring to a relative trickle.
"The job losses during the Great Recession were so off the chart, that even though we've gained about 600,000 private sector jobs back, we've got nearly 8 million jobs to go," said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of Economic Cycle Research Institute.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/79-million-jobs-lost-many-cnnm-1248019835.html?x=0

He is losing ground.

That should make you happy. Happy days are here again, are they? But if I were you, I would hold off celebrating the 2012 Republican victory for a while. But then again, who knows? Perhaps you have already celebrated the Republican 'victories' both in 2010 and 2012.

What are the conditions to bring those jobs back? Tax cuts? Been there done that. Deficit reduction? That would likely make the jobs issue worse.

I don't see them bringing jobs back until they start blocking the border to cheap foreign products created in markets with artificial currency values.

If Republicans come to power, they will pass massive tax cuts, mainly benefiting the rich as they did in 2000. The result will be even bigger deficit, bigger unemployment (after perhaps a brief period of recovery and prosperity), stock market crash (as usually happens during Republican administrations, during Bush eight years, stock market moved sideways, here was no increases in the stock indices during Bush eight years) and economy on the life support.

 

[AnnaG]

I don't know what they asked their ranking upon, but I don't think Obama has been iun the office for a sufficient time to rank him accurately.

Schoolkids have term rankings. How long is a term in school?

Interesting article by a right wing hatemonger, ironsides. But he really let the cat out of the bag towards the middle of the article. He told us the real reason why he hates Obama with such a visceral passion.



And that is the nub, the right wing extremists don’t consider Obama as one of them, they don’t consider him an American. Sure they hated Clinton with a passion, but Clinton was at least a white male, he was one of them. Obama isn’t. That really summed up the reason for most of his hatred towards Obama.

No doubt he is one of those teabaggers who think that Republicans will end up with huge majorities in the Senate and the House in 2010, will win the presidency in 2012 and increase their majorities in both the houses and will bring paradise on earth in 2012, pretty much the way they brought paradise to USA from 2000 to 2008. Well, good luck with that.

Anyway, the teabagger is absolutely right, the reason teabaggers hate Obama with a passion is that he is not one of them, he is not a white male.



Conjecture, yes. But conjecture based upon solid evidence. Bush used to be an oil executive himself, so it stands to reason that he would give BP a free pass. Add to that the fact that his VP formulated energy policy by solely consulting oil industry (and nobody else) and it is practically a foregone conclusion that Bush would have gone much easier on BP than Obama did. Bush woudl have followed Barton's advice to the letter.



That should make you happy. Happy days are here again, are they? But if I were you, I would hold off celebrating the 2012 Republican victory for a while. But then again, who knows? Perhaps you have already celebrated the Republican 'victories' both in 2010 and 2012.



If Republicans come to power, they will pass massive tax cuts, mainly benefiting the rich as they did in 2000. The result will be even bigger deficit, bigger unemployment (after perhaps a brief period of recovery and prosperity), stock market crash (as usually happens during Republican administrations, during Bush eight years, stock market moved sideways, here was no increases in the stock indices during Bush eight years) and economy on the life support.

Ugh! Them bad, we good!

 

[Goober]

SJP
Obama enters list at 15th. History will not be kind to his predecessor, GWB has dropped from 23rd after his first year in office, to 39th
.I don't know what they asked their ranking upon, but I don't think Obama has been iun the office for a sufficient time to rank him accurately.

Point

He is still riding on his campaign of hope - as I stated on numerous ocassions he is a great speaker - also consideration is given to the problems he faces - whether he moves up or down is and will be decided as much as 100 years later. How the repercussions of his decisons play out over the generations. So over the next Century his standing will change -

As Zhou Enlai when asked about the historical impact of the French Revolution replied "To soon to tell"

Conjecture, yes. But conjecture based upon solid evidence. Bush used to be an oil executive himself, so it stands to reason that he would give BP a free pass. Add to that the fact that his VP formulated energy policy by solely consulting oil industry (and nobody else) and it is practically a foregone conclusion that Bush would have gone much easier on BP than Obama did. Bush woudl have followed Barton's advice to the letter.
Point
transitive verb 1 : to arrive at or deduce by conjecture : guess <scientists conjecturing that a disease is caused by a defective gene>
2: to make conjectures as to <conjecture the meaning of a statement>
1 obsolete a : interpretation of omens b : supposition

2 a: inference from defective or presumptive evidence b: a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c: a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved
Point
Please read the definitions - Guess work - pure guess work - Bush after Katrina learned a big lesson - Act quickly and decisively - even a bad decision at times can be better than no decision - Evry expert of which Obama is laden with - many despise the oil industry - so they would be fluent in BP's Safety Record -

Next - The US has accepted help from other countries - Witness the responses from the Huricanes that struck Florida, Louisanana - So the guess work is off the mark - Obam screwd up - Made no decision - Even his Admiral in charge could not understand it.

If Republicans come to power, they will pass massive tax cuts, mainly benefiting the rich as they did in 2000. The result will be even bigger deficit, bigger unemployment (after perhaps a brief period of recovery and prosperity), stock market crash (as usually happens during Republican administrations, during Bush eight years, stock market moved sideways, here was no increases in the stock indices during Bush eight years) and economy on the life support.


Point
I doubt that - Budget Cuts and tax increases would be the order of the US Public - You cannot spend your way out of a reccesson. As we well know in Canada.

 

[ironsides]

How can anyone really rank President Obama, he has accomplished nothing yet. Think about it, what has he completed except make more division.

 

[AnnaG]

How can anyone really rank President Obama, he has accomplished nothing yet. Think about it, what has he completed except make more division.

If you go to school and don't learn anything, you still get graded. lol

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP

Point

He is still riding on his campaign of hope - as I stated on numerous ocassions he is a great speaker - also consideration is given to the problems he faces - whether he moves up or down is and will be decided as much as 100 years later. How the repercussions of his decisons play out over the generations. So over the next Century his standing will change -

As Zhou Enlai when asked about the historical impact of the French Revolution replied "To soon to tell"

Quite so. It is premature to rank him so soon, when his first term is not even half over.

Conjecture, yes. But conjecture based upon solid evidence. Bush used to be an oil executive himself, so it stands to reason that he would give BP a free pass. Add to that the fact that his VP formulated energy policy by solely consulting oil industry (and nobody else) and it is practically a foregone conclusion that Bush would have gone much easier on BP than Obama did. Bush woudl have followed Barton's advice to the letter.
Point
transitive verb 1 : to arrive at or deduce by conjecture : guess <scientists conjecturing that a disease is caused by a defective gene>
2: to make conjectures as to <conjecture the meaning of a statement>
1 obsolete a : interpretation of omens b : supposition

2 a: inference from defective or presumptive evidence b: a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c: a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved
Point
Please read the definitions - Guess work - pure guess work - Bush after Katrina learned a big lesson - Act quickly and decisively - even a bad decision at times can be better than no decision - Evry expert of which Obama is laden with - many despise the oil industry - so they would be fluent in BP's Safety Record -

There was no evidence that Bush learned his lesson after Katrina. Bush and many of his supporters refused to admit to the very end that Bush did anything wrong. In their opinion, whatever went wrong was the fault of the Democratic Governor of Louisiana and Democratic mayor of New Orleans, Bush was blameless in the matter.

If Republicans come to power, they will pass massive tax cuts, mainly benefiting the rich as they did in 2000. The result will be even bigger deficit, bigger unemployment (after perhaps a brief period of recovery and prosperity), stock market crash (as usually happens during Republican administrations, during Bush eight years, stock market moved sideways, here was no increases in the stock indices during Bush eight years) and economy on the life support.


Point
I doubt that - Budget Cuts and tax increases would be the order of the US Public - You cannot spend your way out of a reccesson. As we well know in Canada.

Budget cuts and tax increases are not supported by American public, poll after poll shows that. Americans may support cuts in services in abstract, but ask them which services should be cut, and they cannot name even one service where they would support cuts.

Tax cuts on the other hand, tend to be popular with the people. Last time Republicans came to power they enacted huge, massive tax cuts (in 2000) and converted 100 billion $ Clinton surplus into 500 billion $ plus Bush deficit. There is no reason to think that they will do otherwise next time they are in power.

How can anyone really rank President Obama, he has accomplished nothing yet. Think about it, what has he completed except make more division.

Let me list a few of his major accomplishments:

Health care reform (passed over Republican filibuster)
Wall Street reform (passed over Republican filibuster)
Legislation outlawing discrimination against gays (passed over Republican filibuster)

Health Care reform alone merits the high place given to him. Presidents have been trying to pass health care reform for over 100 years (since Teddy Roosevelt); Obama was the first president to get it passed.

But as I said before, it is a bit premature to rank him as a president.

 

[AnnaG]

roflmao

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah Don't judge him on what he's done so far. That's unfair. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

 

[ironsides]

If you go to school and don't learn anything, you still get graded. lol

"20 points" for knowing the first letter of your name. He did win the Nobel Peace Prize.

Let me list a few of his major accomplishments:

Health care reform (passed over Republican filibuster)
Wall Street reform (passed over Republican filibuster)
Legislation outlawing discrimination against gays (passed over Republican filibuster)

Health Care reform alone merits the high place given to him. Presidents have been trying to pass health care reform for over 100 years (since Teddy Roosevelt); Obama was the first president to get it passed.

But as I said before, it is a bit premature to rank him as a president.

Learn what a filibuster is before saying it happened. The Health Bill did have one, but Wall Street reform and your ever popular gay rights did not. Just because a few senators oppose something does not mean there was a filibuster. Filibuster is used as a last ditch effort to thwart a bill, and used carefully at that. As for the Health Care plan, it still has some hurdles to overcome, one big one is how will it be supported.

 

[Goober]

SJPLet me list a few of his major accomplishments:



Health care reform (passed over Republican filibuster)Wall Street reform (passed over Republican filibuster)Legislation outlawing discrimination against gays (passed over Republican filibuster)Health Care reform alone merits the high place given to him. Presidents have been trying to pass health care reform for over 100 years (since Teddy Roosevelt); Obama was the first president to get it passed.

But as I said before, it is a bit premature to rank him as a president.

SJP
Let me list some of his spending


800 Billion for stimulus (Approx)- And what did it do?

Health care - 1 Trillion if I recall - Left untouched Unions Gold Plated Health Benefits along with nothing to lower the cost of malpractice - Trial lawyers are happy along with union members


Wall Street Reform - Even Paul Volcker does not know how it will play out exactly - so that is a wait and see. To claim success is like being part pregnant.

You state Bush did not learn from Katrina - I disagree - Obama sure did - he was out there talking, and talking and threatening to take control from BP - Even his Admiral admitted they (Govt did not have the ability to do that) But you overlook that he failed Big Time. Making decisions is hard - Talk is easy - he has one down to perrfection

Foreign Policy - Left Great Britian out alone on the Falklands - Way to go

Tried to pressure the Illionis Governor to appoint a family friend, no ploitical experience as Senator to fill his vacant seat. All within days of his election

He and Nancy Poloisi have between the 2 of them created as much or more division within the US than Bush cam lay claim to.

G_Quoting Goober



And his next trick will be to turn greenhouse gas into a new energy source, and you will also be able to eat it as well - Solving Global Warming and World Hunger in one master stroke.Worried that your oil pumps become obsolete?


G_Not in the least - The safest oil supply for the US - why do you think Oil Companies are investing in this. Also shale Gas - enough for the next 100 plus years in the US/Canada



I do not think that Obama is a Messiah - I think his spending will bankrupt the US - He waited an extremely long time to make his mind up about a surge in Afghanistan - Then tries to set a date for withdrawal - It is also probable that Afghanistan will split along ethnic lines - North and South - South Pashtuns from there into Wirzistan Pakistan.Pakistani support for the Taliban is known and credible - to many confirmations that Pakistan is playing both ends against the middle


He is hot and heavy on Israel and I support pressuring Israel along with other to a peace deal. But he is ignoring Kashmir - The Chinese are making inroad in a big way in Pakistan and no balance is coming from the US. India is the major player but Pakistan is the key to stability in that region.

India has prepared and is still preparing for another war with China. To many land claims and uncertainty with high ranking Chinese officials still stating that India has control Chinese Territory and want it returned..
Did you ever wonder why China has so many missiles along their coast with Taiwan - To if required give the US second thoughts about sending the 7nt Fleet down the Straight as they did about 10 years ago. That was a major loss of face to China.

Russia - Out of the game for the most part and still do not realize that their major enemy is and always has been China - look back to see how much present Russian territory was formerly Chinese
Bringing Russia into NATO should be a major priority -As an equal partner - massive respect is required as they are paranoid of the West and are a very proud people who yearn for respect.


Trade problems China - Numerous reports that Non Chinese Companies are subjected to stringent enforcement of regulations while their Chinese competitors are not. Action by US, Canada, and the EU is required up to and including sanctions on trade, litigation thru the WTO and if required bypassing the WTO and setting up another Organization. China has to play by the rules and they are nowhere near that.

 

[Extrafire]

Today Meghan Kelly interviewed J. CHRISTIAN ADAMS, FORMER JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LAWYER, the whistleblower at the Department of Justice. This is part II. It is shocking.

YouTube - Megyn Kelly Interviews DOJ Attorney On Black Panther Case! (Part.2)

"Obama has Violated His Oath of Office" in Racist Dept of Justice Decision to Drop New Black Panther Party Voter Intimidation Case and Mandate DOJ Policy: "No Voter Intimidation Cases Will Brought Against Black Defendent Where the Victim is White" -

 

[ironsides]

Armed Black Panthers intimidated white voters from voting and Obama does nothing.