Obama - What is your opinion so far on his Presidency

JLM

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Confidence Yes - Great speaker - yes - leadership - No on some issues.

I think he deserves a little time for learning. If we were to dump him tomorrow (if it were possible) who would be fit to replace him? Besides perhaps McCain. Sure wouldn't want Hillary in there (of course it's miraculous that she's even alive after alighting that plane in a deluge of bombs, shells and missiles) :iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin:
 

Colpy

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There were such inflated expectations of the guy that he could not possibly have lived up to them........

That said, I think he is going to be a colossal disappointment.....I think health care will be his crowning achievement......

He has not done well with the oil spill, with military affairs, with the Middle East, with Israel..........

His spending is out of control!

But he may yet grow into the job.
 

SirJosephPorter

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How would you rate his response to the spill in the gulf?

I think he was blindsided by BP regarding the spill. He probably did not think that BP would low ball the estimates of oil leaking to such an extent. Initially BP was claiming a leak of 5000 barrels a day, which is a minor leak and not really worthy of the attention of the president. So Obama did not get involved for a long time.

Now it turns out that the leak may be well in excess of 100,000 barrels a day, and in hindsight, more drastic action was required from day one. If Obama could be faulted, it would be for putting too much trust in a big corporation.
 

wulfie68

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His spending is out of control!
His spending isn't as out of control as Bush's was, he just put all the Iraq-Afghanistan crap into the budget instead of using supplemental bills to fund them (which was Bush's answer). Couple the fact that he was also saddled with a lot of the stimulus promises from Bush and the impetus of his deficits and it puts Obama in almost the same kind of position Mulroney was in when he took over from True-dough.
 

JLM

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His spending isn't as out of control as Bush's was, he just put all the Iraq-Afghanistan crap into the budget instead of using supplemental bills to fund them (which was Bush's answer). Couple the fact that he was also saddled with a lot of the stimulus promises from Bush and the impetus of his deficits and it puts Obama in almost the same kind of position Mulroney was in when he took over from True-dough.

Yep, for all Bush's blunders I doubt if they can hold a candle to the mess Trudeau left Canada in. Took us from a few million in the black to over 1/2 trillion in the red in 16 years.
 

taxslave

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Yep, for all Bush's blunders I doubt if they can hold a candle to the mess Trudeau left Canada in. Took us from a few million in the black to over 1/2 trillion in the red in 16 years.

Not to mention ramming french down our throats, and forcing multi-culti on us. And the NEP. Way to divide a country.
 

EagleSmack

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His spending isn't as out of control as Bush's was, he just put all the Iraq-Afghanistan crap into the budget instead of using supplemental bills to fund them (which was Bush's answer). Couple the fact that he was also saddled with a lot of the stimulus promises from Bush and the impetus of his deficits and it puts Obama in almost the same kind of position Mulroney was in when he took over from True-dough.


Actually it is and there has to be a time when the left will have to stop saying "Bush". He said he could fix it...he got the job.
 

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I think he was blindsided by BP regarding the spill. He probably did not think that BP would low ball the estimates of oil leaking to such an extent. Initially BP was claiming a leak of 5000 barrels a day, which is a minor leak and not really worthy of the attention of the president. So Obama did not get involved for a long time.

Now it turns out that the leak may be well in excess of 100,000 barrels a day, and in hindsight, more drastic action was required from day one. If Obama could be faulted, it would be for putting too much trust in a big corporation.
SJP - Your opinion on this - Blind sided or not - Obama wears a part of this disaster the same a Bush with Katrina

Avertible catastrophe

Some are attuned to the possibility of looming catastrophe and know how to head it off. Others are unprepared for risk and even unable to get their priorities straight when risk turns to reality.

The Dutch fall into the first group. Three days after the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico began on April 20, the Netherlands offered the U.S. government ships equipped to handle a major spill, one much larger than the BP spill that then appeared to be underway.

"Our system can handle 400 cubic metres per hour," Weird Koops, the chairman of Spill Response Group Holland, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide,
giving each Dutch ship more cleanup capacity than all the ships that the U.S. was then employing in the Gulf to combat the spill.


Read the complete article - Interesting how Obama had no plan, no control, just rhetoric -
 

SirJosephPorter

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SJP - Your opinion on this - Blind sided or not - Obama wears a part of this disaster the same a Bush with Katrina

Avertible catastrophe

Some are attuned to the possibility of looming catastrophe and know how to head it off. Others are unprepared for risk and even unable to get their priorities straight when risk turns to reality.

The Dutch fall into the first group. Three days after the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico began on April 20, the Netherlands offered the U.S. government ships equipped to handle a major spill, one much larger than the BP spill that then appeared to be underway.

"Our system can handle 400 cubic metres per hour," Weird Koops, the chairman of Spill Response Group Holland, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide,
giving each Dutch ship more cleanup capacity than all the ships that the U.S. was then employing in the Gulf to combat the spill.


Read the complete article - Interesting how Obama had no plan, no control, just rhetoric -

Well, as I said before, Obama's mistake was that he believed the BP estimate of the size of the spill. Perhaps he should have obtained independent estimates right at the beginning.
 

wulfie68

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Actually it is and there has to be a time when the left will have to stop saying "Bush". He said he could fix it...he got the job.
Absolutely, but its not an instant fix either, like most Republicans demand it should be. There are years of inertia to overcome.
 

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:roll::roll:
 

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I would give him a D, at best. He is constantly preaching "Bi-Partisinship", while lambasting anyone and everyone that does not agree with his approaches.

He will lose control of the Congress in the November elections, and will almost certainly lose the 2012 election. I suspect he will go down in history as one of the biggest failures as president, ranked about equal with Jimmy Carter.
 

taxslave

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I would give him a D, at best. He is constantly preaching "Bi-Partisinship", while lambasting anyone and everyone that does not agree with his approaches.

He will lose control of the Congress in the November elections, and will almost certainly lose the 2012 election. I suspect he will go down in history as one of the biggest failures as president, ranked about equal with Jimmy Carter.

Which still makes him far superior to regan or either bush.
 

Colpy

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Which still makes him far superior to regan or either bush.

You know, it always amazes me to say this, but Ronald Reagan will be recognized in history as one of the great Presidents.

The Iran hostage crisis was ended immediately simply because he took the oath of office. (Even the Mullahs weren't stupid enough to fck with him)

He was a champion of nuclear disarmanent, and proposed the complete destruction of all the nuclear arsenal of the USSR and the USA. That failed, but he did sign a treaty doing away with an entire class of weapons, and set the stage for Bush Sr. to sign a treaty with significant cuts.

His tough stance against the USSR was largely responsible for the destruction of the Warsaw Pact, the end of the Cold War, and the emergence of the USA as the world's single super power.

He restored American confidence after Vietnam.

On the other side of the coin is his insane deficit spending, and the Iran-Contra thing.......both signoficant black marks....but not nearly so black as to undermine his place in history.

Obama ain't gonna be fit to polish his boots in the final reckoning....unless things change fast.
 

EagleSmack

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Absolutely, but its not an instant fix either, like most Republicans demand it should be. There are years of inertia to overcome.

Most Democrats accuse the GOP of demanding an instant fix because they need something to deflect critisism of the Administration and Democratic controlled congress. The Dems have run both houses for almost four years and the Whitehouse for 18 months. Spending is stil going through the roof and the only thing they can come up with is...

"Well Bush did it too!"

It is getting silly at this point.

You know, it always amazes me to say this, but Ronald Reagan will be recognized in history as one of the great Presidents.

The Iran hostage crisis was ended immediately simply because he took the oath of office. (Even the Mullahs weren't stupid enough to fck with him)

He was a champion of nuclear disarmanent, and proposed the complete destruction of all the nuclear arsenal of the USSR and the USA. That failed, but he did sign a treaty doing away with an entire class of weapons, and set the stage for Bush Sr. to sign a treaty with significant cuts.

His tough stance against the USSR was largely responsible for the destruction of the Warsaw Pact, the end of the Cold War, and the emergence of the USA as the world's single super power.

He restored American confidence after Vietnam.

On the other side of the coin is his insane deficit spending, and the Iran-Contra thing.......both signoficant black marks....but not nearly so black as to undermine his place in history.

Obama ain't gonna be fit to polish his boots in the final reckoning....unless things change fast.

Colpy when I was in the Marines I was talking to a HS student who was asked to rank the best and worst Presidents. I said I think Reagan is one of the best Presidents we've had and she said...

"No...the teacher said we had to rank him as one of the worst."

Ripping GOP presidents is nothing new.
 

Kreskin

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Obama is dealing with multiple quagmires created by previous Presidents (Dems and Reps).

We all have known that China's undervalued currency has been a cause for the job exodus in America. What President ever put pressure on the Chinese to make a change? None. Why would most of them care, their buddies have opened sweatshops in China. It won't make the headlines as an instant fix because the fix with take years to bring about results but where he is going with this is where someone should've gone a couple of decades ago.
 

EagleSmack

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Obama is dealing with multiple quagmires created by previous Presidents (Dems and Reps).

We all have known that China's undervalued currency has been a cause for the job exodus in America. What President ever put pressure on the Chinese to make a change? None. Why would most of them care, their buddies have opened sweatshops in China. It won't make the headlines as an instant fix because the fix with take years to bring about results but where he is going with this is where someone should've gone a couple of decades ago.

Sweat shops (or factories) in China is part of the problem but they are all over Asia and Latin America. Cheap goods and Americans that consume like crazy and demand them to be cheap. I think that is out of every President's hands. I doubt if he ever had any intention of changing that. If he did it is a promise he can't keep.

But Kreskin... he wanted the job so it isn't like he was drafted to do it. He wanted it and said he could fix it. I know that he has said...

"We didn't ask for this job..."

... well yeah Mr. President... you kind of did.
 

Kreskin

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The problem is America wants the overnight disposable fix to everything. A new war pumps up the chest and feels good. Yelling at members of the UN gets the testosterone moving. Drill baby drill, and all that jazz. It's all crap with no real fix to anything. He's trying to turn the ship, and that includes turning around some jurassic group-think.