Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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But then, there is the "progressive" class ... that aimless mass of Western humanity so burdened by cultural self-loathing that it is to Islam, as ungulates are to lions.

Not mine....taken from a blog, and not credited there.....but I like it."
 

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Wow you can cut and paste the Fourth Geneva Convention, I'm impressed, you now sit along side other members of teh forum that have done so. Like mhz and eao.

Now can you actually cite section and apply it to a case, with some verifiable facts? Or shall this be the last time you do anything even remotely substantial?

Once something hits the MSM it's already bull****. There that;ll save you from going to the internet at all.
Sorry we can't all have operatives in the ME like you DB.

They wouldn't board any ship of any nation that was crewed with anything other unarmed civilians, especially a naval vessel..
Of course, which is why witnesses from the very ships they boarded have stated the opposite right?

What borders would those be?
The ones around your luxurious mansion. How's that commune you aren't building coming along?

Have any of you seen the "We Con The World" video yet?
Yep, made me laugh, a little to soons, but funny none the less.

Quite a few days ago. Another real insight to thei mentality.
Israel Apologizes For Circulating Spoof Video Mocking Gaza Flotilla (VIDEO)

However, according to the Guardian, a spokesman for the Israeli government said that the video did reflect most Israelis' view of the incident. "I called my kids in to watch it because I thought it was funny," the spokesman said. "It is what Israelis feel. But the government has nothing to do with it."

The last line would seem to be in conflict with this statement from the same article.

"The Israeli government has apologized after its press office sent out a satirical video mocking the activists involved in the Gaza flotilla following last week's deadly incident."
I forwarded a copy to my Dad, does that mean I made and distributed the video?

Agitprop.... that also sounds like some type of wash machine feature.
Or a rinse cycle of the mind, lol.

Ahhh the things created in Bolshevik Russia eh.
 

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It isn't true, I have heard there will be a hospital ship so that would be a long term, along with a warship to protect it.
To my knowledge Iran does not have a hospital ship.

Backing up a little bit, I think all this anti Israeli nonsense will backfire on the so called Gaza activists with more violence. The activists just got caught in their lies as usual. Those who believe them would have no matter what had happened. The following is from a major news network, not somebody's blog.

Israeli commandos 'carried paintball guns'
Israel's military has acknowledged mistakes in the boarding of a Gaza-bound aid ship, including using the wrong intelligence and sending soldiers onto the ship armed with paintball guns.
Israel's storming of the pro-Palestinian aid ships left nine people dead and sparked an international outcry.
Israel's armed forces chief, Lieutenant-General Gabi Ashkenazi, told reporters the troops did not have the right equipment to deal with the activists.
Israel's Defence Force said some of the troops wielded paintball rifles - non-lethal weapons designed to bruise, beat back and mark suspects for later arrest, but which apparently proved of limited use against activists who had the protection of life-jackets and gas masks.

Israeli commandos 'carried paintball guns' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
 

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I forwarded a copy to my Dad, does that mean I made and distributed the video?
If you don't have permission it is called piracy, if it is intentionally released, as was the case with that vid, then it is propaganda. No link just going bt the FBI warning that comes up on the screen for movies.

If they having trouble with that dept perhaps they should close it down.
 

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If you don't have permission it is called piracy, if it is intentionally released, as was the case with that vid, then it is propaganda. No link just going bt the FBI warning that comes up on the screen for movies.
Which is why most movies are pulled from YouTube.

Again showing you don't understand even terrestrial laws such as copyright infringement and piracy laws, nor are you well informed, lol.

So, can you answer the question?

That question again, which you still haven't answered, was...

I forwarded a copy to my Dad, does that mean I made and distributed the video?

The video in question, was posted on YouTube, by its creators, a comedy group, LatmaTV. You should check out their channel on YouTube, they're as hell, even when they make fun of Israel and the IDF.

Which also does scathing satire, directed at Israel itself. You know satire, that's the stuff that can get you beheaded in most Islamic nations, if you direct it at the gov't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRt1AbqwfiY
 
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International Humanitarian Law - Fourth 1949 Geneva Convention

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
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Preamble The undersigned Plenipotentiaries of the Governments represented at the Diplomatic Conference held at Geneva from April 21 to August 12, 1949, for the purpose of establishing a Convention for the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, have agreed as follows:

Part I. General Provisions

Article 1. The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.

Art. 2. In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace-time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.

Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.

Art. 3. In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following
provision
Fascinating. What are we supposed to do with that and where does it apply?

Once something hits the MSM it's already bull****.
....... unless it supports your argument. lmao

They wouldn't board any ship of any nation that was crewed with anything other unarmed civilians, especially a naval vessel..
Right. If it didn't do what they ordered it to do they'd disable it and tow it somewhere or just plain sink it. That'd pretty much be the same thing any other country would do.

If you don't have permission it is called piracy, if it is intentionally released, as was the case with that vid, then it is propaganda. No link just going bt the FBI warning that comes up on the screen for movies.

If they having trouble with that dept perhaps they should close it down.
The FBI doesn't chase down everyone that buys a vid as a gift for a family member or even a friend. It is when people make copies and redistribute the vid for profit that the FBI gets cranky.
 

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AnnaG;1291216]Fascinating. What are we supposed to do with that and where does it apply?

....... unless it supports your argument. lmao
I provided a link so you wouldn't complain about me posting the whole thing. Of course I post things that support my argument, I have never once, that I can recall, ever stated that I was fair and or objective in that respect

Right. If it didn't do what they ordered it to do they'd disable it and tow it somewhere or just plain sink it. That'd pretty much be the same thing any other country would do.
You mean any other country operating a death camp like Camp Gaza.
 

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To my knowledge Iran does not have a hospital ship.
Keep digging I guess. They have a Navy they have a way to care for the wounded.

The video in question, was posted on YouTube, by its creators, a comedy group, LatmaTV. You should check out their channel on YouTube, they're as hell, even when they make fun of Israel and the IDF.
Seems to me when the Gentiles were killing them it wasn't quite so funny.

Is this double standard going to go on much longer?
 

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Colpy;1291380]In 1980 the population of Gaza was 497,000. In 2005, when Israel left the strip, the population was 1,376,289.

Quite the "Death Camp".

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

I know, I know, you've made up your mind, and it is rude of me to try and confuse you with the facts..........:lol:
The present population of Gaza are mostly recent evacuees from Israel, pushed out in the ethnic cleansing, your statement mistakenly implies that the numbers in concentration camps fall when in fact they rise gradually for a long time before any final solution is exercised, if it ever is. You couldn't confuse me with facts even if you were aware of them. Incidentally I don't see you as confused. I see you as committed, and that is too bad because a confused person may be forgiven but the committed must eventually pay for their transgressions against humanity. So you enjoy your delusion while you may but remember the good free world demands justice despite the power you think you've found. Israel has never left the strip Colpy. Even the obvious truth escapes you. The zionists depend on easy sales like you, it's what has made them the organized crime the world recognizes now as the most pressing threat to peace that the planet has ever known.
 

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The present population of Gaza are mostly recent evacuees from Israel, pushed out in the ethnic cleansing, your statement mistakenly implies that the numbers in concentration camps fall when in fact they rise gradually for a long time before any final solution is exercised, if it ever is. You couldn't confuse me with facts even if you were aware of them. Incidentally I don't see you as confused. I see you as committed, and that is too bad because a confused person may be forgiven but the committed must eventually pay for their transgressions against humanity. So you enjoy your delusion while you may but remember the good free world demands justice despite the power you think you've found. Israel has never left the strip Colpy. Even the obvious truth escapes you. The zionists depend on easy sales like you, it's what has made them the organized crime the world recognizes now as the most pressing threat to peace that the planet has ever known.

LOL!!!!!!!!

The figure of 497,000 was in 1980!!!!

There has been NO outside influx of population there since that time. None.

Unfortunately, DB, it is you that is completely blinded by ideology.

The facts speak for themselves.....there are no Israeli troops in Gaza. And the population there is climbing because of a high birth rate.

Marxism is a religion, only differing from all other religions in the horrendous numbers of people murdered in its name. You should give it up.

BTW, I looked it up.....the life expectancy at birth in Gaza is 73.42 years.

http://www.indexmundi.com/gaza_strip/life_expectancy_at_birth.html

And the average life expectancy at birth in the world is 68.94 years.

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds...tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=Life+Expectancy+World

Some "death camp"

Some "genocide".

:)
 
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Keep digging I guess. They have a Navy they have a way to care for the wounded.
They also have a Naval vessel registry, look it up, d'uh!

Seems to me when the Gentiles were killing them it wasn't quite so funny.
Seems that has no bearing on the question you keep failing to answer and the fact that you have attributed this video to the Israeli gov't. When it is clearly the work of an independent satirical comedy group.

Is this double standard going to go on much longer?
There is no double standard, except the manufactured and imagined one, formulated by your severe comprehension issues and pathetic need to deviate the topic, when you can't answer a question, or your straw man is falling apart..

Didn't the Israeli naval boarding happen in international waters?
Yep. Didn't a huge thread already address that and find that it was legal?

LOL!!!!!!!!

The figure of 497,000 was in 1980!!!!

There has been NO outside influx of population there since that time. None.

Unfortunately, DB, it is you that is completely blinded by ideology.

The facts speak for themselves.....there are no Israeli troops in Gaza. And the population there is climbing because of a high birth rate.

Marxism is a religion, only differing from all other religions in the horrendous numbers of people murdered in its name. You should give it up.

BTW, I looked it up.....the life expectancy at birth in Gaza is 73.42 years.

Gaza Strip Life expectancy at birth - Demographics

And the average life expectancy at birth in the world is 68.94 years.

Google - public data

Some "death camp"

Some "genocide".

:)
Some facts!!!

You know this will be summarily dismissed as Zionist propaganda, that we have swallowed willingly eh?
 
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CDNBear;1291559]

Ummm, could you post something that supports that ridiculous claim?
My pleasure Bear, A/walls and wire B/1400 dead bodies recently C/repeated bombing by assault aircraft with proscribed weapons D/ a long term genocidal siege

At the outset of the 1948 war, the population of the Gaza region was approximately 60,000 to 80,000. By the end of the hostilities, at least 200,000 refugees had flooded what would become the Gaza Strip, whose rectangular shape roughly corresponded to (but was smaller by at least a third than) the area of the Gaza District during the mandate period.
Israel built 17 settlements in
Gaza from 1970 to 2000 [Getty]​
The exact shape of the Gaza Strip was determined by the position of Egyptian and Israeli forces when the ceasefire was announced.
The majority of the refugees came from the almost wholesale eviction or evacuation of Palestinian towns and villages from Jaffa southwards to Gaza City and the surrounding villages to the north and east that were depopulated during the war.
These refugees were housed in the ensuing years in eight camps throughout the region, many of which were former British military bases. By 2000, the last year of the Oslo peace process, the number of refugees and their descendants had swollen to well over 400,000.

Al Jazeera English - Arab Unity - Tracing Gaza's chaos to 1948
 

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At the outset of the 1948 war, the population of the Gaza region was approximately 60,000 to 80,000. By the end of the hostilities, at least 200,000 refugees had flooded what would become the Gaza Strip, whose rectangular shape roughly corresponded to (but was smaller by at least a third than) the area of the Gaza District during the mandate period.
Very good, I forgot about the influx of refugees. I was think along the lines of what do married couples do when living under black-out conditions.