I'm a noobie here, but it is easy to see who the racists are here. The blockade is illegal, and you refuse to see that with your muddled thinking. We need an enforcemant arm, the UN is it. If you don't like it, too bad. Its funny how people turn against the UN when they don't go along with their way of thinking.
Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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That's funny, it was proven to be legal by none other then someone who thinks a lot like you. Purely by accident mind you, but proven none the less. Go take a look at page 22, poster, Mhz.
Funny how people condemn the UN period, like Colpy and myslef. Not selectively, like some around here.
Popular Anger Grows As World Leaders Let Flotilla Killers Off The Hook
Sunday, 06 June 2010 07:33
'As attention now shifts from the high seas to closed door meetings in Washington, Ankara and the Hague, there is a growing frustration as politicians and spin doctors ingloriously try to manage the diplomatic fall-out of the pre-dawn massacre. In many ways, this response is telling. Such hesitation and gross spinelessness from our elected leaders in confronting Israel was what necessitated the Freedom Flotilla in the first place.
But with demonstrations against the brutality of the IDF taking place around the world, it is now the credibility of Arab and Western governments themselves that stands in the firing line. Civilians have been attacked. Civilians have been massacred. Civilians want justice. But with every day that passes since the flotilla bloodshed, the truth becomes buried deeper under military propaganda and the criminals edge closer to safety. With it too goes whatever shred of belief was left in the collective power of the White House, the UN Security Council and the Arab League of Nations to hold Israel to account.'
Read more: Popular Anger Grows As World Leaders Let Flotilla Killers Off The Hook
Sunday, 06 June 2010 07:33
'As attention now shifts from the high seas to closed door meetings in Washington, Ankara and the Hague, there is a growing frustration as politicians and spin doctors ingloriously try to manage the diplomatic fall-out of the pre-dawn massacre. In many ways, this response is telling. Such hesitation and gross spinelessness from our elected leaders in confronting Israel was what necessitated the Freedom Flotilla in the first place.
But with demonstrations against the brutality of the IDF taking place around the world, it is now the credibility of Arab and Western governments themselves that stands in the firing line. Civilians have been attacked. Civilians have been massacred. Civilians want justice. But with every day that passes since the flotilla bloodshed, the truth becomes buried deeper under military propaganda and the criminals edge closer to safety. With it too goes whatever shred of belief was left in the collective power of the White House, the UN Security Council and the Arab League of Nations to hold Israel to account.'
Read more: Popular Anger Grows As World Leaders Let Flotilla Killers Off The Hook
Hmmm, maybe israel wouldn't like to hear the truth from an independent observer. They are getting too arrogant.
Because there's nothing to hang over their heads. Now that logic has sunk in, the world is slowly waking up to reality. Israel was justified...D'oh.
How is nine people out of over a thousand, a "massacre"?
Who is that not spin?
I would otherwise agree, but the leaders have obviously been brought up to speed on the legality of it.
But of course, when you don't get what you want, throw a tantrum like a child, smash a few things and hold your breath, for a long time please.
fify...
fify too...
fify too.
Geeze, I wonder why. Could it be that most of the complaints involving Israel don't hold any water up on reviewing the evidence?
Of course not, the ICC is in on it too...:roll:...quite.
Hmmm, maybe they'd prefer an objective one instead of independent.
I cannot find a chart that would list those two stats for other countries, rich and poor. Yes that would include Israel. Any help in that would most likely strengthen your stance. Also 'aid' is everything that is in this list, not everything is a food you would give to a child.
Permitted Items
flour
sugar
sweetener
ice
salt
cooking oil
semolina
yeast
pasta
chickpeas
beans
kidney beans
entils
peas
Burgul wheat
corn
upini beans
powdered milk
dairy products
margarine
hummus paste
rozen meat, fish, and vegetables
vitamins and oil for animal feed
empty bags for flour
medicine and medical equipment
diapers
eminine hygiene products
oilet paper
baby wipes
shampoo & conditioner
soap & liquid soap
toothpaste
laundry detergent
fabric softener
dish soap
glass cleaner
floor cleaning fluid
cleaning liquid for bathroom use
chlorine
insecticide for household use
coffee
tea
salami meat
canned meat
canned fish
sponges for cleaning dishes
sponges for washing
mopping rags
cleaning rags
all canned food except canned fruit
za'atar spice
black pepper
sesame
powdered chicken stock
blankets
matches
candles
brooms
mops
dustpans
trash cans
aniseed
chamomile
cinnamon
wastewater purification powder
glass - 200 trucks
water coolers + heaters
mineral water
Tahini (sesame paste)
hair brushes
hair combs
shoes
clothes
wood (for doors and window frames)
aluminum
soft plastic bags
fruit
vegetables
hay
fertilized eggs
pesticides for agriculture
soil for agriculture
particles for soil dilution
chemical fertilizer
plastic buckets
plastic crates for fruits and vegetables
plastic chicken cages
egg cartons
cartons for transporting chicks
fiberglass and plastic trays for planting
various kinds of agricultural seeds
eggs (for eating)
greenhouse nylon
various kinds of veterinary medications and
products
wheat
barley
animal feed
*Some of these items are permitted if they are for the use of international organizations.
I'd like to see Israel (and the US) held to the same standards as Iran and North Korea. If a country starts an unprovoked war, illegally builds nuclear weapons, commits war crimes or crimes against humanity, they should face economic sanctions until the criminals responsible are brought to justice.
I doubt any nation would willingly surrender their sovereignty to the UN. A UN enforcement arm could not stand against military superpowers like the US and Israel anyway.
I am convinced that the world's majority are good moral people who know right from wrong, regardless of nationality, race or religion. The trouble is that good people can be manipulated by hate propaganda into supporting evil.
I suspect even Israeli apologists like Colpy (who I belive to be fundamentally a good person) would have no trouble identifying Israel war crimes and crimes against humanity if he lived a few months in Gaza. I'm sure if he witnessed Israel soldiers gunning down unarmed civilians over and over eventually even he would cry out for justice.
As communication technology improves, hate propaganda becomes increasingly difficult to pass off as news. I'd like to see the UN truth commissions armed airborne cameras over most of the world's conflict regions, which broadcast ongoing war crimes and crimes against humanity back to cyberspace directly without media or government intervention. Once people see for themselves what's going on, its pretty easy to see through manipulative hate propaganda. Then the people of these countries would hold their war criminals accountable.
I couldn't agree more, the fact that you now admit that, is the first step in healing. Good for you.
Absolutely true, which is why Colpy, Ironsides, myself and many more have punched huge holes in your BS over the years. Although you simply dismiss it it without ever providing a shread of fact, lol.
Again, I agree 100%. But it would be redundant, I know the people you defend and support want to wipe Israel off the map. I don't need a play by play. You might get off on watching people die, especially given you love of neo Nazi's and such. But I surely don't.
Israeli War Crimes: From the U.S.S. Liberty to the Humanitarian Flotilla
Israeli War Crimes: From the U.S.S. Liberty to the Humanitarian Flotilla
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On June 8, 1967, two squadrons of Israeli warplanes bombed, napalmed and machine-gunned the US intelligence-gathering ship, USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 US sailors and wounding another 172.
Almost to the day, 43 years later, on May 31, 2010, Israeli warships, helicopter gun ships and commandos assaulted a convoy of humanitarian ships carrying ten thousand tons of aid to Gaza in international waters.
IDF Released Several Faked Photos – How Can They Be Trusted in ANY Investigation?
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Proof has surfaced today that many of the so-called “evidence” photographs being distributed by the Israeli government as examples of terror weapons on board the Gaza aid flotilla date back years:
The bulletproof vest photos on the Israeli flickr page are dated February 2006.
The axe photo was taken in 2003.
The pepper spray photos – 2003
The iconic pictures of knives and other weapons on the Saudi flag and other stuff:
Hi. Just to confirm that the EXIF metadata points to this photo being taken in 2006:
barney@benchwood:~$ identify -verbose farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4662965686_a91f8 bab2e_o_d.jpg | grep Date
exif
ateTime: 2010:06:02 10:38:47
exifateTimeDigitized: 2006:02:07 05:52:19
exifateTimeOriginal: 2006:02:07 05:52:19
And on and on…..
Israeli War Crimes: From the U.S.S. Liberty to the Humanitarian Flotilla
Tags:
On June 8, 1967, two squadrons of Israeli warplanes bombed, napalmed and machine-gunned the US intelligence-gathering ship, USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 US sailors and wounding another 172.
Almost to the day, 43 years later, on May 31, 2010, Israeli warships, helicopter gun ships and commandos assaulted a convoy of humanitarian ships carrying ten thousand tons of aid to Gaza in international waters.
IDF Released Several Faked Photos – How Can They Be Trusted in ANY Investigation?
Tags:
Proof has surfaced today that many of the so-called “evidence” photographs being distributed by the Israeli government as examples of terror weapons on board the Gaza aid flotilla date back years:
The bulletproof vest photos on the Israeli flickr page are dated February 2006.
The axe photo was taken in 2003.
The pepper spray photos – 2003
The iconic pictures of knives and other weapons on the Saudi flag and other stuff:
Hi. Just to confirm that the EXIF metadata points to this photo being taken in 2006:
barney@benchwood:~$ identify -verbose farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4662965686_a91f8 bab2e_o_d.jpg | grep Date
exif
ateTime: 2010:06:02 10:38:47exif
ateTimeDigitized: 2006:02:07 05:52:19exif
ateTimeOriginal: 2006:02:07 05:52:19And on and on…..
They would still be moving fast in that situation wouldn't they? Relative to normal speed that is.
Let alone the omelet based throwing-stars. On the same line of thought would you eat anything on the banned list?
I wouldn't swear to this but there is talk of Gaza being opened to ships directly. If everything that was an 'iffy' weapon was tagged with chips the Hamas and the UN could track those items real-time. No need to use tunnels and if medical procedures are a risk find a doctor who will come into Gaza to a facility that can do the procedures (equipment wise). Think how much stress it would take off the Israeli ports, now they only have to deal with their own cargoes. That frees up about 5 people right there. (sorry couldn't resist).
Could you and your family live on the allowed tonnages? I don't over eat myself so that would be lots of food. If I had to weigh everything I picked up on shopping trips I'm pretty sure it would be a very tight budget and only a portion of the weight would end up being pee or poo, to be somewhat blunt.
Dear Mr. Aptly Named,
Please show me how the blockade is illegal. The simple fact is you can not, because the blockade of hostile entities is perfectly legal under international law, as is the boarding of merchant vessels at sea..........and the use of force if resistence is met. The Canadian Navy has been boarding neutral vessels in international waters for close to 20 years.....and we DON'T go on armed with paintball guns. (H&K MP5s in 9mm is what we use)
This is exactly why the UN must NEVER have an enforcement arm.......because the world policeman must be neutral, and apply the law evenly, something the UN finds impossible with Israel.
Thank you so much for your attention.
I Remain, Your Humble Servant
Colpy
I didn't mean uninspected. Put some Blue Helmets in there How about Turkish Forces? They seem interested and they are both NATO and a Security members for the rest of this year and aid would be more freely given to them because even if some stuff is stolen at least it stays in Gaza. Perhaps a old leaky NATO hospital ship could take care of the advanced medical operations further relieving pressure off Israel's Security Forces. That should be acceptable to both parties until the Court cases are completed.
With it being a UN 'approved ' blockade the Israel shoul be quite willing to as a Turish warship to search a Turkish flagged vessel for a list of items Israel will supply. If they can't trust a fell UN member and a Security member to boot, who can you trust eh?
It should have access to weapons and equipment supplied by some member of the security council but manned by troops who have no "obligations" to them. The 10 who voted against Israel's creation and the 33 that voted for their creation should be barred from playing too active of a role in the lowest ranks. The troops that mingle with the people the most still need to be able to understand the language and the is where Hamas (the UN recognized elected Government of Gaza, not the terrorist entity).
Wow, it didn't take you long to realize who is the master and who is the servant. Thanks for that.
As far as your claims that the UN must never have an enforcement arm, you are full of it. What are you afraid of?
You should look up the word "sarcasm" in your dictionary.
What am I afraid of??? Let's see, about one quarter of the world's nations are free and democratic.....what I am worried about is a world government with an enforcement arm in which the Mugabes are the majority.
Check out the UN Human Rights Commission.....come back and tell if you think they should have an enforcement arm.
Never.
You should look up the word "sarcasm" in your dictionary.
What am I afraid of??? Let's see, about one quarter of the world's nations are free and democratic.....what I am worried about is a world government with an enforcement arm in which the Mugabes are the majority.
Check out the UN Human Rights Commission.....come back and tell if you think they should have an enforcement arm.
Never.
Canada would be invaded under such circumstance or at the very least have an embargo.
....as would every nation state.:roll:
UN army?
Where's my gun?