Mosque near Ground Zero

Avro

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Dude, seriously, stop being so obtuse, it's really getting boring. What I'm saying is what I wrote. Stop making **** up and adding "so are you saying" to it. You wanna know what I'm saying, read what I said. It's really quite elementary, I'm not trying to explain quantum physics here.



McVeigh is dead. Where's Bin Laden?




More obtuse stupidity.

Here's some real facts for you:

Table 1 - Hate Crime Statistics, 2006

and here it is conveniently graphed and charted:
Michelle Malkin Worth a thousand words

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Michelle Malkin?

Wow, real creditable.:roll:
 

Curiosity

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I have no logical explanation and would not attempt to discuss it except for the original site which sits unfinished....

The hole left by the WTC Towers - why can't that area be cleared and built and finished to give resolution to the memory of the lost and then what comes after
will take its place in a normal fashion to create a more beautiful site than what
exists now.

The rebuilding or whatever is planned for the actual site should be worked on first before any other buildings take precedence.

Ooops I should have Google'd first....Project Rebirth | A Living History of the Human Spirit Coping with Disaster
I hope this is still going on.

Are any of the other sites finished as Memorials?
 

Just the Facts

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Trying to get fact boy to make a comment on the hole left by the terroists....he slunk away from it.

lol you talking about your rant about how the twin towers haven't been replaced yet....I'm still trying to stop laughing about that, and now that it seems you're serious I'm laughing even harder. :lol:

I gave it exactly the attention it deserved, and now, considerably more than it deserved. lol still laughing....towers haven't been replaced....oh, the relevance....lol.
 

Avro

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lol you talking about your rant about how the twin towers haven't been replaced yet....I'm still trying to stop laughing about that, and now that it seems you're serious I'm laughing even harder. :lol:

I gave it exactly the attention it deserved, and now, considerably more than it deserved. lol still laughing....towers haven't been replaced....oh, the relevance....lol.

Why haven't they?

Simple question.

Further more why is a little mosque more important than an empty hole?
 
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Avro

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I have no logical explanation and would not attempt to discuss it except for the original site which sits unfinished....

The hole left by the WTC Towers - why can't that area be cleared and built and finished to give resolution to the memory of the lost and then what comes after
will take its place in a normal fashion to create a more beautiful site than what
exists now.

The rebuilding or whatever is planned for the actual site should be worked on first before any other buildings take precedence.

Ooops I should have Google'd first....Project Rebirth | A Living History of the Human Spirit Coping with Disaster
I hope this is still going on.

Are any of the other sites finished as Memorials?

Perhaps 20 years form now something will be done, the Muslims in Dubai built something magnificent in 6 years.

Instead bigots are worried about a little old mosque.

....and we still allow Catholics to run schools.:roll:
 

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Not that easy... Kinda sorta the same way that you can buy a piece of property beside a children's school but not be able to open up a strip club.

It's kinda sorta not appropriate

So you're comparing a place of worship and a community center to a strip club.
 
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Avro

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No. I'm kinda sorta saying that providing an insultingly oversimplified ideal akin to "it's a free country - I can do what ever I want" is as useless as a whistle on a plow.8O

So should Catholics be running schools or building churches near schools considering they are mostly pedophiles?
 

Tonington

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No. I'm kinda sorta saying that providing an insultingly oversimplified ideal akin to "it's a free country - I can do what ever I want" is as useless as a whistle on a plow.8O

If a group wants to commemorate the tragedy, and build bridges as this group has done and they wish to do so by building a community center including a place of worship, then they can attempt to purchase some land to do so.

It is a free country. There is no issue with the zoning in that area.

Your comment about a strip club is moronic, because it's completely irrelevant to what is going on here.
 
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If a group wants to commemorate the tragedy, and build bridges as this group has done and they wish to do so by building a community center including a place of worship, then they can attempt to purchase some land to do so.

So what... This is about appropriateness... Think it's a good idea for the German government to open a museum of political achievement across from the Holocaust Museum in the name of peace and understanding?



It is a free country.


Free except for the laws, bylaws, zoning and referendums.


Your comment about a strip club is moronic, because it's completely irrelevant to what is going on here.

Yeah, it's entirely irrelevant - I suppose that explains why your only rebuttal is a wishy-washy comment about "it's a free country". If you had a clue you'd know otherwise, but ofcourse, it's easier to go into attack mode rather than actually understand.
 
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Tonington

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So what... This is about appropriateness... Think it's a good idea for the German government to open a museum of political achievement across from the Holocaust Museum in the name of peace and understanding?


I have no problem with Muslims building a community center a few blocks away from the site of the World Trade center. What's your problem anyways?

Free except for the laws, bylaws, zoning and referendums.
So which ones is this Mosque in contradiction of?

None? Oh that's right. You have no point.

Yeah, it's entirely irrelevant - I suppose that explains why your only rebuttal is a wishy-washy comment about "it's a free country". If you had a clue you'd know otherwise, but ofcourse, it's easier to go into attack mode rather than actually understand.
Oh I understand completely. You're a bigot, and you're grasping at straws for why some group shouldn't be allowed to build a community center, because it offends your sensibilities.

I'm of the opinion that sweeping issues aside because they are painful doesn't resolve anything. Maybe you're not interested in resolving differences.

Carry on.
 
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Here's how I see it (and it would seem a few specific persons in this thread continue to avoid answering the question directly):

1. Why would anyone be offended at an Islamic centre being built near Ground Zero unless he blamed all Muslims for the acts of certain individual persons which Muslims would generally consider to be contrary to Islamic laws?

2. Considering that the only reason to be offended at the proposal is anti-Muslim prejudice, then why ought the local NYC Muslim community which itself lost members on 911 care about the opinions of the prejudiced?

These two fundamental questions have been asked again and again in this thread with never a direct, clear, and unambiguous answer on the part of a few specific posters here.

Until they answer these specific question straightforwardly, the discussion will continue to go round and round and round.