Tory G8 abortion stance
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?
yeah, that's the point... to say what 'all pro-lifers' think is flawed... just pointing it out from the other side.
yeah, that's the point... to say what 'all pro-lifers' think is flawed... just pointing it out from the other side.
Re: Henry Morgantaler- Saint or Common Criminal?
Yup...allowed him and many others to legally kill baby's right up to full term if they so felt the need. There's a crowning acheivement for ya.
Yup...allowed him and many others to legally kill baby's right up to full term if they so felt the need. There's a crowning acheivement for ya.
Re: Henry Morgantaler- Saint or Common Criminal?
Not really, one wouldn't expect them to move in lockstep, things are rarely that simple. The argument just needs to make the case that proportionately more of the fetuses that weren't carried to term would have been born into circumstances that put them at higher risk for a criminal future.
Re: Henry Morgantaler- Saint or Common Criminal?
I suppose.
I guess I'd like to think humanity is above being pleased at, or pondering the benefit of, culling the poor or uneducated rather than trying to find ways to alleviate the plight of the future generation, but we obviously aren't.
I suppose.
I guess I'd like to think humanity is above being pleased at, or pondering the benefit of, culling the poor or uneducated rather than trying to find ways to alleviate the plight of the future generation, but we obviously aren't.
Re: Henry Morgantaler- Saint or Common Criminal?
Karrie, just look at how much war is cheered, culling the poor or uneducated is called collateral damage.
Karrie, just look at how much war is cheered, culling the poor or uneducated is called collateral damage.
Re: morning after pill
SirJoseph
There are some rabid protesters who will fight anything to do with planned pregnancy and birth - which is unfair they pass their own opinions onto strangers who have every right to conduct their own lives and the potential life of an embryo. To choose if and when they will produce an offspring.
I hardly think the morning after pill interfers with a life form and is the least cruel
way to solution what for some victims of rape seems private and humane.
In any case - I believe it is up to the woman and her physician only. I hope the pill goes on to greater accuracy with less controversy - it is a private matter and the less the government donates its' two cents the better.
SirJoseph
There are some rabid protesters who will fight anything to do with planned pregnancy and birth - which is unfair they pass their own opinions onto strangers who have every right to conduct their own lives and the potential life of an embryo. To choose if and when they will produce an offspring.
I hardly think the morning after pill interfers with a life form and is the least cruel
way to solution what for some victims of rape seems private and humane.
In any case - I believe it is up to the woman and her physician only. I hope the pill goes on to greater accuracy with less controversy - it is a private matter and the less the government donates its' two cents the better.
Re: morning after pill
Another solution would be a foolproof accurate way.....
....Of being able to diagnose our own fertility days with more accuracy than is offered by the scientific community at the present time.
This doesn't prevent rape however or molestation, but in most cases a woman can
avoid sexual activity during the important cycle without having to ingest any chemicals.
Another solution would be a foolproof accurate way.....
....Of being able to diagnose our own fertility days with more accuracy than is offered by the scientific community at the present time.
This doesn't prevent rape however or molestation, but in most cases a woman can
avoid sexual activity during the important cycle without having to ingest any chemicals.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
just blows me away..... more consideration is given to an animal than a preborn baby. More whining and moaning goes on conserning animal rights, than a preborn baby's rights. More rights are afforded animals than our own most vulnerable.
just blows me away..... more consideration is given to an animal than a preborn baby. More whining and moaning goes on conserning animal rights, than a preborn baby's rights. More rights are afforded animals than our own most vulnerable.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
I've had many dogs and cats throughout my life, haven't taken any of them for an abortion, but have paid big bucks
to have them bred, then take 'full' responsibility for
the pregnancy, (which was planned), and also for the newborns, then also for the placement into good homes,
with non breeding agreements.
The treatment of animals has a long way to go to ever
equal treatment of each other. Horrible things are done
to animals thru out the world each day, and it will be
a long time before they are cared for humanly, poaching
is a big money making crime in many countries.
Our own most vulnerable still include young girls and
women who are mistreated, and I would never ever be
willing to force any of them to have a child which they
did not want, or ask for. And I wouldn't be so cruel to
an unborn to force it into a world of mistreatment and
poverty, drugs and other misfortunes which cause the child
to suffer extremely.
I've had many dogs and cats throughout my life, haven't taken any of them for an abortion, but have paid big bucks
to have them bred, then take 'full' responsibility for
the pregnancy, (which was planned), and also for the newborns, then also for the placement into good homes,
with non breeding agreements.
The treatment of animals has a long way to go to ever
equal treatment of each other. Horrible things are done
to animals thru out the world each day, and it will be
a long time before they are cared for humanly, poaching
is a big money making crime in many countries.
Our own most vulnerable still include young girls and
women who are mistreated, and I would never ever be
willing to force any of them to have a child which they
did not want, or ask for. And I wouldn't be so cruel to
an unborn to force it into a world of mistreatment and
poverty, drugs and other misfortunes which cause the child
to suffer extremely.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
"[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]93% of all abortions occur for social reasons" world stats[/FONT]
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Really. I don't quite understand the either/or thing really. I consider myself pro-life because I hate seeing life ended needlessly, but I also think it's a woman's right to her own body so I am pro-choice. And I am against having abortions for stupid reasons (the rubber broke, I don't wanna look fat, etc.)
"[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]93% of all abortions occur for social reasons" world stats[/FONT]
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
Re: morning after pill
just about every animal will abort when the food supply is compromised or the area is otherwise unable to support the present population. They instinctively know which plants to eat. Aboriginal peoples also know what plants will induce abortion. If you are concerned about using pharmaceutical chemicals that you suspect might has adverse long term effects, seek counsel with an aboriginal elder in your area. They might know of a plant in your area that has been used for thousands of years by their people.
just about every animal will abort when the food supply is compromised or the area is otherwise unable to support the present population. They instinctively know which plants to eat. Aboriginal peoples also know what plants will induce abortion. If you are concerned about using pharmaceutical chemicals that you suspect might has adverse long term effects, seek counsel with an aboriginal elder in your area. They might know of a plant in your area that has been used for thousands of years by their people.
Re: morning after pill
You sure assume to speak for a lot of people. How do you know what pro-lifers accept and don't accept? Have you ever even talked with one?
Re: morning after pill
I personally agree with you, I am pro choice. i was simply explaining the pro life logic (such as it is).
I personally agree with you, I am pro choice. i was simply explaining the pro life logic (such as it is).
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
That is not how pro choice is traditionally defined. Pro life is anybody who wants to ban all abortions, or wants to ban all abortions except for rape and incest (which is 99% of all abortions, so there really isn't much difference between the two).
Anybody who is not pro life is pro choice. Thus, pro life organizations such as Right to Life, Focus on the Family etc. will only endorse candidates who want to ban all abortions or want to ban all abortions except in the case of rape and incest. Anybody else, they consider pro choice and they would not endorse such a candidate.
That is not how pro choice is traditionally defined. Pro life is anybody who wants to ban all abortions, or wants to ban all abortions except for rape and incest (which is 99% of all abortions, so there really isn't much difference between the two).
Anybody who is not pro life is pro choice. Thus, pro life organizations such as Right to Life, Focus on the Family etc. will only endorse candidates who want to ban all abortions or want to ban all abortions except in the case of rape and incest. Anybody else, they consider pro choice and they would not endorse such a candidate.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
If you support abortion for any case other than rape or incest, then you are not considered pro life by any of the pro life organizations.
If you support abortion for any case other than rape or incest, then you are not considered pro life by any of the pro life organizations.