Tory G8 abortion stance
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Re: What rights should a fetus have?
So let me understand this. You're saying that the body politic has no right to mete out justice for crimes, that only God can do that? What you'd be proposing then is anarchy unless I missed something
So let me understand this. You're saying that the body politic has no right to mete out justice for crimes, that only God can do that? What you'd be proposing then is anarchy unless I missed something
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
abusive drinking is a sin... And that makes the mother a criminal.
abusive drinking is a sin... And that makes the mother a criminal.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
No, a person who commits sin is a sinner; a person who commits a crime is a criminal. There is a distinction. A sin is defined in religious terms, a crime in legal terms. So since abortion is legal in Canada, while we could say an abortionist is a sinner, he is not a criminal. There is a distinction.
So Thomas Joseph, what you're saying is that if I assault a woman, the government should do nothing, just leave it to God to deal with me? What if I murder someone, rob, rape and pillage a village... hey, that las part rhymes... ?
No, a person who commits sin is a sinner; a person who commits a crime is a criminal. There is a distinction. A sin is defined in religious terms, a crime in legal terms. So since abortion is legal in Canada, while we could say an abortionist is a sinner, he is not a criminal. There is a distinction.
So Thomas Joseph, what you're saying is that if I assault a woman, the government should do nothing, just leave it to God to deal with me? What if I murder someone, rob, rape and pillage a village... hey, that las part rhymes... ?
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
Then you are a victim of your own crimes, Not only will you to inherit everlasting life, You are blind and do not have heaven in your mind, God as your wings and hope in your heart. Not only will the victims be rewarded for their tolerance by the all fair and just lord, The criminal already lost everything.
Then you are a victim of your own crimes, Not only will you to inherit everlasting life, You are blind and do not have heaven in your mind, God as your wings and hope in your heart. Not only will the victims be rewarded for their tolerance by the all fair and just lord, The criminal already lost everything.
You have to hand it to him though that he is loyal to the Liberal Party. You sure can't call him a traitor on that front. Misplaced loyalty to be sure, but loyalty it is. Ah, party hacks.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
You have no rights until the birth is recorded and registered creating a legal person.
You have no rights until the birth is recorded and registered creating a legal person.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
Legally you are probably correct,,,,,,,, but morally????????????
Legally you are probably correct,,,,,,,, but morally????????????
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
an embryo becomes a fetus, once the pregnancy is 3 months along,
and I think, other than the health and life of the mother
being in jeopardy, it should have all rights of a newborn
at that point and beyond.
an embryo becomes a fetus, once the pregnancy is 3 months along,
and I think, other than the health and life of the mother
being in jeopardy, it should have all rights of a newborn
at that point and beyond.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
Yet another lame assumption based on emotional tripe. Not only that, but the idea this so-called politician thought up is pretty stupid and short-sighted.
Obviously the "Pro-Choice Movement" wouldn't have been able to squash such a proposal all on their own, unless you wish to admit that the majority of the population is Pro-Choice........ but also, since I don't remember this proposal, you can't remember where you heard this proposal, and there's very little about this found on the internet..... obviously it wasn't a very good idea and very few people bothered to look any further into this idea.
And now you bring it up along with your other thread re-hashing the same stupid, redundant debate that is already going on in multiple threads already in these forums alone...... for the only other reason I can think of, of flinging more crap at Pro-Choice folks and the majority who obviously don't see things your way.
It's the same, while the offender is charged with sexual assault (at the least and not including additional charges like illegal confinement, etc.)
Seriously, why the hell would it be different in either case? It's her right to decide, so why the hell would it not be her right still if she was assaulted and became pregnant against her will?
Where the heck are you going with this? It would seem you're trying to make up as many foolish questions as possible to find some justification to enact your own personal view on the subject, find some loop hole and thus find a way of legally changing the current laws and rights..... which you will fail.
The law has no right to protect a fetus, because a fetus doesn't have rights..... it's as simple as that.
His or Her........ and how much protection should there be for a Fetus?
The same as there is right now in our society.
And if the couple in question are Married? :-? Last I checked, married couples are allowed to have sex as much as they want, in regards to Religious teachings..... whether or not they want to have a child in the process is up to them.
Your justification for why "It's a Sin" as explained above are invalid.
An interpretation of what God wants, by a human, and not God's exact words or meaning.... and the Bible was also written by Humans stuck in a primitive era of humanity, thus also not "God's Exact Words or Meaning" but their own interpretations, which have been re-interpreted over the centuries by many many other humans, which was once again, re-interpreted by you...... so how do you even know you're right on what God thinks is a sin or not?
Does God actually speak to you and say, "Hey! ThomasJoseph... Com'ere, I need you to do something for me.... Go and tell all the other humans on the planet that Having sex is a sin, and aborting fetuses are even more of a sin and if anybody does it, I'll hang em by their nutz and ovaries when they die!"?
Unless God did and you have evidence of this, then you're just stating your own opinion like many others have been doing for centuries.... and since they're Human opinions, they're no better then my opinion or anybody else's for that matter.
Yet another lame assumption based on emotional tripe. Not only that, but the idea this so-called politician thought up is pretty stupid and short-sighted.
Obviously the "Pro-Choice Movement" wouldn't have been able to squash such a proposal all on their own, unless you wish to admit that the majority of the population is Pro-Choice........ but also, since I don't remember this proposal, you can't remember where you heard this proposal, and there's very little about this found on the internet..... obviously it wasn't a very good idea and very few people bothered to look any further into this idea.
And now you bring it up along with your other thread re-hashing the same stupid, redundant debate that is already going on in multiple threads already in these forums alone...... for the only other reason I can think of, of flinging more crap at Pro-Choice folks and the majority who obviously don't see things your way.
It's the same, while the offender is charged with sexual assault (at the least and not including additional charges like illegal confinement, etc.)
Seriously, why the hell would it be different in either case? It's her right to decide, so why the hell would it not be her right still if she was assaulted and became pregnant against her will?
Where the heck are you going with this? It would seem you're trying to make up as many foolish questions as possible to find some justification to enact your own personal view on the subject, find some loop hole and thus find a way of legally changing the current laws and rights..... which you will fail.
The law has no right to protect a fetus, because a fetus doesn't have rights..... it's as simple as that.
His or Her........ and how much protection should there be for a Fetus?
The same as there is right now in our society.
And if the couple in question are Married? :-? Last I checked, married couples are allowed to have sex as much as they want, in regards to Religious teachings..... whether or not they want to have a child in the process is up to them.
Your justification for why "It's a Sin" as explained above are invalid.
An interpretation of what God wants, by a human, and not God's exact words or meaning.... and the Bible was also written by Humans stuck in a primitive era of humanity, thus also not "God's Exact Words or Meaning" but their own interpretations, which have been re-interpreted over the centuries by many many other humans, which was once again, re-interpreted by you...... so how do you even know you're right on what God thinks is a sin or not?
Does God actually speak to you and say, "Hey! ThomasJoseph... Com'ere, I need you to do something for me.... Go and tell all the other humans on the planet that Having sex is a sin, and aborting fetuses are even more of a sin and if anybody does it, I'll hang em by their nutz and ovaries when they die!"?
Unless God did and you have evidence of this, then you're just stating your own opinion like many others have been doing for centuries.... and since they're Human opinions, they're no better then my opinion or anybody else's for that matter.
Re: What rights should a fetus have?
Hey, nice personal insult there pal..... just like a religious anti-abortionist to not be able to answer the most simplest question with a worthwhile answer without getting petty and insulting.
Guess what?
Married people have abortions too..... and they're completely allowed to have recreational sex.
Regardless, recreational sex isn't illegal and so you know, just because this topic is in the "Spirituality & Philosophy" Section, doesn't automatically make you right or that it's completely a Religious issue..... especially since the original post starts off with politics and laws.
Thanks for playing though.
Since you asked, no.... "Murder" is related to Human Beings and Human Rights, which a Fetus doesn't have, thus it'd be similar to something like Animal Cruelty..... perhaps one can charge you for "Assault Leading to Termination of a Planned Pregnancy" (Which I could support such a law) but nothing more.
Exactly..... and thus, that's pretty much where the debate ends. :lol:
What is Moral is Subjective to the Individual.
Oh wow... I'm so hurt.
By the way, how them Canadiens doing in the playoffs Avro?
Oh yeah, that's right..... never mind. :roll:
Oh and by the way, I'm reporting your ass for linking graphical images without warning that are in reference to insulting not only myself, but my family.
I view these forums on my break times at work and do not need to see that **** on my computer here.
I would have hoped that someone with your level of posts and time in here would have grown the hell up by now.
Guess that's asking too much from some people.
Oh and for the record, I don't post graphical war images or somebody's bloody tampon for the same reasons I explained above..... People in these forums are sometimes at work or other places that such graphical images are not permitted.
Use your damn head for once will you?
Hey, nice personal insult there pal..... just like a religious anti-abortionist to not be able to answer the most simplest question with a worthwhile answer without getting petty and insulting.
Guess what?
Married people have abortions too..... and they're completely allowed to have recreational sex.
Regardless, recreational sex isn't illegal and so you know, just because this topic is in the "Spirituality & Philosophy" Section, doesn't automatically make you right or that it's completely a Religious issue..... especially since the original post starts off with politics and laws.
Thanks for playing though.
Since you asked, no.... "Murder" is related to Human Beings and Human Rights, which a Fetus doesn't have, thus it'd be similar to something like Animal Cruelty..... perhaps one can charge you for "Assault Leading to Termination of a Planned Pregnancy" (Which I could support such a law) but nothing more.
Exactly..... and thus, that's pretty much where the debate ends. :lol:
What is Moral is Subjective to the Individual.
Oh wow... I'm so hurt.
By the way, how them Canadiens doing in the playoffs Avro?
Oh yeah, that's right..... never mind. :roll:
Oh and by the way, I'm reporting your ass for linking graphical images without warning that are in reference to insulting not only myself, but my family.
I view these forums on my break times at work and do not need to see that **** on my computer here.
I would have hoped that someone with your level of posts and time in here would have grown the hell up by now.
Guess that's asking too much from some people.
Oh and for the record, I don't post graphical war images or somebody's bloody tampon for the same reasons I explained above..... People in these forums are sometimes at work or other places that such graphical images are not permitted.
Use your damn head for once will you?
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