Are there any Métis on this forum?

[Cliffy]

Iowa isn't Canada. The Jesuits didn't return to Canada untill The Bishop of Montreal requested them from Rome in 1842.

the west was neither Canada or the USA in those days.

 

[gerryh]

the west was neither Canada or the USA in those days.

U.S. Boundary History

 

[CDNBear]

My point was that everyone seems to have different definitions of Metis - ism nowadays. Historical definitions seem to be the same.

True.

Perhaps, but it seems to be new info to Medic.

He seems put off by anything out side his ideology. He also seems to be unable to quote my posts directly, or coherently address my posts without making stuff up, without completely reading it backwards and having an argument with himself. It would seem as though he is on a mission, lol.

It is. Dad's pretty easy going, though. He accepts the nonsensical crap the Catholics pulled on him and others as just a part of life and he moved on. lol But he still points out traditional things to counter Mum's dogma sometimes.
And I won't poke too many holes in Mum's Catholicism anymore. Telling her I was agnostic and bisexual was enough. lmao

And her head didn't explode? lol

The British were afraid of any large group getting unified, at least one that could threaten them. My ancestors lost their land to them long before yours did ;-). A time's gotta come when we have to look forward instead of backward. Governments still take. Even things we have bought fair and square are not safe from government siezure.

Bob, I only look back for guidance. I don't wallow in it.

CDNBear, you could not possibly be more wrong. There is absolutely NO requirement that any Métis have any French ancestry at all. None, nada non, nothing in the way of a French ancestor anywhere in their family tree.

Can you quote me directly, so you can show me where I said anywhere that that was a requirement?

Because I didn't. In fact, I've been saying it isn't since the beginning, lol.

There are as many Métis in Canada that do not have French ancestry, as there are that do. I realize that the Metis Nation of Canada promotes the idea that they are the one and only decision maker about who is, and who is not Metis (their spelling), but they in fact are not. All they can determine is who is allowed to belong to their organization.

Ya, I said that in my first serious reply to your OP. I'm glad you agree now.

metis refers to anyone that has some degree of aboriginal ancestry along with any other ancestry. that is a generic term, with a lower case m. Métis refers to people that meet the definition brought out by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Powley decision.

That's awesome, I'm not that ignorant, so I don't lower case it. They're all equally my brothers and sisters. And pretty much the point of my posts.

As not everyone that is Metis, has the same rights as all Metis. To become a registered Metis, one need only be of mixed blood. If they wish to apply for the extended Harvest rights, that is a different process altogether.

But hey, who am I to tell the great Medic anything factual...

That IS the ONLY legal definition of the Métis people in all of Canada.

Cool, again, thanx for agreeing.

One need not belong to any organization affiliated with the MNC in order to be Métis. CAP also recognizes Métis, as do a number of other organizations. And not all Métis originate in the Red River Vally, or in what was formerly called "Rupertsland". There are Métis who originate in Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, Labrador, Quebec and all other provinces.

Ya, I know, which is why I stated many different types of Metis, as did a few other members here. I even specifically mention Quebec.

So please, take your MNO ideation, and fold itt into a tiny square and shove it where the sun does not shine. You can not impose YOUR idea of what makes a person a Métis on Canada. The Supreme Court has already done that.

I believe you have a reading comprehension issue. At no time have I tried to force my idea of what is or is not a Metis on anyone. That is exactly what you've been doing, although you're doing some fine backpeddling now, lmao.

I only used the MNO registration form and that organization, because I know them best. Having spent a little time studying them with the President of the Toronto Metis Council. Furthermore, you used the Powley case as your test case for what is or isn't Metis.

Well...

Funny you dismiss the MNO and use the Powley case, since the MNO and Tony Belcourt, the founder of the MNO, spear headed that case...:lol:

Now, if you would like a serious discussion, or debate, why don't you quote me directly and stop making up what you think I said as you go along. You're slowly exposing yourself as a hack and a troll. Maybe you need a better anonymizer?

I smell agenda....

With a hint of stupid and a big smattering of troll...lol

roflmao....so....ultimatley it is up to a political organisation/group to decide if my family and I are Metis. I wonder what the "cost" is to recieve Metis "membership"?

I won't comment on that Gh, I have no need to be sued, yet again, lol.

Feel free to call yourself whatever you want but it's fact that the Jesuit order used the Metis to extend missionary work as far west as possible.

This is true.

Does this mean that only those that can trace their roots back to Hudson Bay employment are Metis?

Nope.

The Jesuits used more than just Metis as guides. They used who they could get, whether that be Metis, Indian or Voyageurs.

Yep.

I think there are Metis that disagree with other Metis about their history. It seems that their origins started from French and Scottish fur traders and native women of 4 or 5 clans sometime in the late 1600s. That is the oldest date I found so far: it's from Metis Community Services Site

Pretty much, but they were also heavily influenced by their hereditary geographical location.

Up to the mid 1800's, yes.

Incorrect Gh, the Jesuits were in the New World long before that. There were established missions in Canada by 1639. The HBC wasn't founded until 1668.

I have one cousin who went forward with our native ancestry. He is a card carrying Metis. We are Irish/Cowichan mix from BC so - go figure!!

Thanx VI, this has been my point since the first post. There is a distinct Metis culture, for a distinct Metis group. But the word Metis encompasses a huge array of people.

I don't think he paid anything for it. He gets the benefits though.

There is always a registration fee. It's usually modest, but there have been rumours of people "buying" membership. Which is what Gh was getting at.

 

[gerryh]

as I have already pointed out and given citations for, before the mid 1800's the jesuits were basically relegated to Quebec and eastern Ontario. At the same time the HBC was moving across Ruperts Land to Vancouver. As a matter of fact, by the time the Jesuits were recalled back to Canada the HBC had a post at Fort Vancouver givng them access from sea to sea. They didn't get there by themselves.

 

[petros]

as I have already pointed out and given citations for, before the mid 1800's the jesuits were basically relegated to Quebec and eastern Ontario. At the same time the HBC was moving across Ruperts Land to Vancouver. As a matter of fact, by the time the Jesuits were recalled back to Canada the HBC had a post at Fort Vancouver givng them access from sea to sea. They didn't get there by themselves.

The Jesuit way of life and teaching system didn't disappear from western ON Metis people. You can't turn a religious order that ran the banking on and off like a switch. It just went away from public eye at the time.

 

[The Old Medic]

CDN Bear, i could quote your posts, but why would i bother. You are so full of feces, and have so little knowledge about the topic, that it is not worthwhile quoting anything that you say.

You literally do not know what the Métis are, you have no knowledge of their history, culture or much else about them. The little that you have been exposed to is simply incorrect.

You seem to be very hung up on this French idea, that the ONLY Mgtis are of French and Native ancestry. Since neither the MNC or the Supreme Court of Canada agree with your version, why should anyone pay the slightest attention to your ravings?

You seem to think that by your sheer verbal diarrhea, you can make people see it your way. All you really do is make a huge mess, that stinks to high heaven. You also make an ass of yourself.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention that this thread is neither about the Jesuits, nor is it about your version of history.

Yes, the Jesuits were in North America before the Hudson's Bay Company was. But they were here long before the date you quote, you forget that Mexico is also a large part of North America. They were in Mexico by the mid 1500's, long before anyone even thought about going to Canada.

I don't know why you have such animus against that particular religious order, but it is obvious that you do. Fine, nurse your hatred and your misinformation on your own thread.

 

[gerryh]

CDN Bear, i could quote your posts, but why would i bother. You are so full of feces, and have so little knowledge about the topic, that it is not worthwhile quoting anything that you say.

You literally do not know what the Métis are, you have no knowledge of their history, culture or much else about them. The little that you have been exposed to is simply incorrect.

You seem to be very hung up on this French idea, that the ONLY Mgtis are of French and Native ancestry. Since neither the MNC or the Supreme Court of Canada agree with your version, why should anyone pay the slightest attention to your ravings?

You seem to think that by your sheer verbal diarrhea, you can make people see it your way. All you really do is make a huge mess, that stinks to high heaven. You also make an ass of yourself.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention that this thread is neither about the Jesuits, nor is it about your version of history.

Yes, the Jesuits were in North America before the Hudson's Bay Company was. But they were here long before the date you quote, you forget that Mexico is also a large part of North America. They were in Mexico by the mid 1500's, long before anyone even thought about going to Canada.

I don't know why you have such animus against that particular religious order, but it is obvious that you do. Fine, nurse your hatred and your misinformation on your own thread.

ok....quick question..... what friggin drugs are you on?

You REALLY need to go back over this thread and reread to see who said what.

 

[CDNBear]

CDN Bear, i could quote your posts, but why would i bother. You are so full of feces, and have so little knowledge about the topic, that it is not worthwhile quoting anything that you say.

Go on I dare ya, quote me. You can make up all the stories you want, but until you quote someone, it certainly will appear that you're using an anonymizer Prince.

You literally do not know what the Métis are, you have no knowledge of their history, culture or much else about them. The little that you have been exposed to is simply incorrect.

Yet you offer no proof, no context, just your words that I am wrong. Excellent debating skills dude.

You seem to be very hung up on this French idea, that the ONLY Mgtis are of French and Native ancestry. Since neither the MNC or the Supreme Court of Canada agree with your version, why should anyone pay the slightest attention to your ravings?

:lol: Ya, I've only said the opposite since the beginning of this thread.

You seem to think that by your sheer verbal diarrhea, you can make people see it your way. All you really do is make a huge mess, that stinks to high heaven. You also make an ass of yourself.

You must be looking in the mirror.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention that this thread is neither about the Jesuits, nor is it about your version of history.

As I said way on back, you can't look at the history of the Metis, without acknowledging the Jesuits impact on them. You can take that any way you want. It's just merely historically accurate. I can see why you won't quote me and challenge that position with anything but childish crap. It would completely interfere with the image you've constructed in your head. That's just sad.

Yes, the Jesuits were in North America before the Hudson's Bay Company was. But they were here long before the date you quote, you forget that Mexico is also a large part of North America. They were in Mexico by the mid 1500's, long before anyone even thought about going to Canada.

Ya, I know, which is why I said "they were in the NEW WORLD long before that". And then qualified the fact with an historic date of the first mission built in CANADA. Of course using the word Canada as a descriptor, not as an actual nation.

I don't know why you have such animus against that particular religious order, but it is obvious that you do. Fine, nurse your hatred and your misinformation on your own thread.

I don't know why you've chosen to read my posts upside down, backwards and in another language to come to the asinine conclusions you have, about what I've said here in this thread. But I must ask as Gh did, what drugs are you on?

Now Prince, if you wouldn't mind actually reading my posts correctly, and addressing them directly with quotations, and challenge what you think is erroneous point by point, I might begin to take you more seriously. Until then Prince, you are nothing more then a childish troll, in my books.

as I have already pointed out and given citations for, before the mid 1800's the jesuits were basically relegated to Quebec and eastern Ontario. At the same time the HBC was moving across Ruperts Land to Vancouver. As a matter of fact, by the time the Jesuits were recalled back to Canada the HBC had a post at Fort Vancouver givng them access from sea to sea. They didn't get there by themselves.

I'm well aware of the timeline Gh, but petros sums it up best here...

The Jesuit way of life and teaching system didn't disappear from western ON Metis people. You can't turn a religious order that ran the banking on and off like a switch. It just went away from public eye at the time.

 

[lone wolf]

I wonder if this guy was a good counsellor. I mean ... he listens so well

 

[CDNBear]

I wonder if this guy was a good counsellor. I mean ... he listens so well

Good question.

 

[The Old Medic]

I listen very well indeed. I responded to several different posts in one message. I gather that a few of you were too overwhelmed to figure that out.

I must have been pretty good, since i was utilized by many lawyers and by many insurance companies as an expert witness, and to help prepare their attorneys for trial. That's where the major part of my income came from over the last 15 years of my active work life. I used that income to enable me to volunteer as a Rehabilitation Counselor at several agencies that dealt with the disabled.

I am extremely patient and understanding with the Developmentally Disabled, the Mentally Ill, or those with a Traumatic Brain Injury. If you are in one of those categories, please do let me know, and i will pitch my responses to your level.

 

[lone wolf]

I listen very well indeed. I responded to several different posts in one message. I gather that a few of you were too overwhelmed to figure that out.

I must have been pretty good, since i was utilized by many lawyers and by many insurance companies as an expert witness, and to help prepare their attorneys for trial. That's where the major part of my income came from over the last 15 years of my active work life. I used that income to enable me to volunteer as a Rehabilitation Counselor at several agencies that dealt with the disabled.

I am extremely patient and understanding with the Developmentally Disabled, the Mentally Ill, or those with a Traumatic Brain Injury. If you are in one of those categories, please do let me know, and i will pitch my responses to your level.

..but were you ever an expert witness for the accused?

Funny how what was said and what you think was said are two completely different things.

 

[petros]

I am extremely patient and understanding with the Developmentally Disabled, the Mentally Ill, or those with a Traumatic Brain Injury. If you are in one of those categories, please do let me know, and i will pitch my responses to your level.

Is that on your resume?

 

[AnnaG]

I listen very well indeed. I responded to several different posts in one message. I gather that a few of you were too overwhelmed to figure that out.

I must have been pretty good, since i was utilized by many lawyers and by many insurance companies as an expert witness, and to help prepare their attorneys for trial. That's where the major part of my income came from over the last 15 years of my active work life. I used that income to enable me to volunteer as a Rehabilitation Counselor at several agencies that dealt with the disabled.

I am extremely patient and understanding with the Developmentally Disabled, the Mentally Ill, or those with a Traumatic Brain Injury. If you are in one of those categories, please do let me know, and i will pitch my responses to your level.

But yet the definition of Metis that you say the gov't has is different than the definition the gov't says it has. Go figure.

 

[CDNBear]

I listen very well indeed. I responded to several different posts in one message. I gather that a few of you were too overwhelmed to figure that out.

I must have been pretty good, since i was utilized by many lawyers and by many insurance companies as an expert witness, and to help prepare their attorneys for trial. That's where the major part of my income came from over the last 15 years of my active work life. I used that income to enable me to volunteer as a Rehabilitation Counselor at several agencies that dealt with the disabled.

I am extremely patient and understanding with the Developmentally Disabled, the Mentally Ill, or those with a Traumatic Brain Injury. If you are in one of those categories, please do let me know, and i will pitch my responses to your level.

In your own words, with a slight correction, if I may....

Now, could we possibly stick to the actual subject, or must we be mired in the rantings of The Old Demented?

 

[CDNBear]

where's the entertainer...

 

[Cliffy]

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[lone wolf]

where's the entertainer...

He pretty much established what he's all about. People just don't matter when you're paid for selling out and painting folks to corners where you'll profit from their pain - a paid witness, a hitman, as long as he gets paid....

 

[CDNBear]

He pretty much established what he's all about. People just don't matter when you're paid for selling out and painting folks to corners where you'll profit from their pain - a paid witness, a hitman, as long as he gets paid....

Gotchya...I still found him fun though.

 

[lone wolf]

Gotchya...I still found him fun though.

I hear that ;-) Archie Bunker was fun too....