Immigration

Machjo

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I guess it's just the same us-vs-them attitude that permeates our relationship with the Middle East. if they've got a tan, they must be the enemy.
 

ironsides

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Feb 13, 2009
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Subject: This may help clarify the reasons for Arizona SB 1070


I'm Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070
which I voted for and was just signed by Governor Jan Brewer.
rancher Rob Krantz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a
month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the
border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who
testified.

The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border
have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the
daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher
testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch
vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting
down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found
17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles.

Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his
ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in
front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind
them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These
people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This
was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug
trains.

One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in
the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced
them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun
fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the
ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left
when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away
with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not
allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run
around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can
take them back across the border.

Federal prisons have over 35% illegal's and 20% of Arizona prisons are
filled with illegal's. In the last few years 80% of our law
enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal.

The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried
about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people
coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better
life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help
the border states. We have been over run and once they are here we
have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education
cost have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of
dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many
serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to
care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.
The border can be secured. We have the technology we have the ability
to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come
in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our
population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation
of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to
protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live
under.

I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare
not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to forgive
them because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run
to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America
but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of
government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be
just like Mexico, Canada or any of the other Central American or South
American countries? We have already lost our language, everything must
be printed in Spanish also. We have already lost our history it is no
longer taught in our schools. And we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going
to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist
courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but
it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses,
and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to
local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop
to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if
you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times.
That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal
citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American
Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote, get a hunting
license, etc.. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is
going to be stopped walking down the street etc... The Socialist who
are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something and
that something the Socialist wants us to do is just let them come.
They want the "Transformation" to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America. Maybe we are not worthy of
freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I
can to protect our Constitutional Republic. Living in America is not a
right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American
is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the
Constitution the law of our land which says what you must do to be a
citizen of this country. Freedom is not free.
 

Bar Sinister

Executive Branch Member
Jan 17, 2010
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Subject: This may help clarify the reasons for Arizona SB 1070


I'm Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070
which I voted for and was just signed by Governor Jan Brewer.
rancher Rob Krantz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a
month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the
border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who
testified.

The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border
have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the
daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher
testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch
vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting
down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found
17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles.

Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his
ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in
front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind
them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These
people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This
was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug
trains.

One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in
the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced
them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun
fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the
ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left
when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away
with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not
allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run
around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can
take them back across the border.

Federal prisons have over 35% illegal's and 20% of Arizona prisons are
filled with illegal's. In the last few years 80% of our law
enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal.

The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried
about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people
coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better
life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help
the border states. We have been over run and once they are here we
have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education
cost have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of
dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many
serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to
care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.
The border can be secured. We have the technology we have the ability
to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come
in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our
population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation
of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to
protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live
under.

I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare
not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to forgive
them because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run
to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America
but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of
government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be
just like Mexico, Canada or any of the other Central American or South
American countries? We have already lost our language, everything must
be printed in Spanish also. We have already lost our history it is no
longer taught in our schools. And we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going
to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist
courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but
it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses,
and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to
local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop
to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if
you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times.
That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal
citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American
Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote, get a hunting
license, etc.. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is
going to be stopped walking down the street etc... The Socialist who
are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something and
that something the Socialist wants us to do is just let them come.
They want the "Transformation" to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America. Maybe we are not worthy of
freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I
can to protect our Constitutional Republic. Living in America is not a
right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American
is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the
Constitution the law of our land which says what you must do to be a
citizen of this country. Freedom is not free.

Sounds to me like Senator Allen lacks the intelligence to be in government. Mexicans leaving their copies of the Koran behind as they cross the border? That sounds highly believable. No doubt if the border guards do a thorough check they'll also find stockpiles of RPGs hidden by Mexican-Islamic terrorists. It makes me wonder how much more of the Senator's reasons are pure bunk.
 

Colpy

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Sounds to me like Senator Allen lacks the intelligence to be in government. Mexicans leaving their copies of the Koran behind as they cross the border? That sounds highly believable. No doubt if the border guards do a thorough check they'll also find stockpiles of RPGs hidden by Mexican-Islamic terrorists. It makes me wonder how much more of the Senator's reasons are pure bunk.

Whoa! Where did you read that the Koran were left by Mexicans????? People smuggling is a business that accepts customers world-wide.........nowhere did I see it specified that the Koran were dropped by Mexicans.....
 

Bar Sinister

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Jan 17, 2010
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Whoa! Where did you read that the Koran were left by Mexicans????? People smuggling is a business that accepts customers world-wide.........nowhere did I see it specified that the Koran were dropped by Mexicans.....

Read the article, such as it is, considering how garbled the Senator's thought process it. I was referring to this little gem - In the last two years he has found
17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles.
Are we to assume that she actually thought Muslims were sneaking into the US from Mexico? Of course she might actually think that which makes her thinking even more confused and her reasoning even less logical.
 

petros

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Nov 21, 2008
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These type of immigration squabbles are what lead to 50+ million people dead and the complete segregation of the majority of Asia.

If this xenophobia keeps free flowing without any truth behind the comments we'll see billions killed this time.

Will you be one of the dead?
 

taxslave

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Nov 25, 2008
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The one part everyone keeps forgetting is that if the rich were not so quick to hire illegals at slave wages there would be less of a problem. Instead of abusing workers slap HEAVY fines and jail time on any business or household that hires illegals for less than union rates.
 

ironsides

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Feb 13, 2009
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The one part everyone keeps forgetting is that if the rich were not so quick to hire illegals at slave wages there would be less of a problem. Instead of abusing workers slap HEAVY fines and jail time on any business or household that hires illegals for less than union rates.

It is illegal to hire workers who are illegal, forbidden, not allowed. Those who do are breaking the law.
There are no union rates for lawn care.
 

YukonJack

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Dec 26, 2008
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"There are no union rates for lawn care."

Really?? I pay a local UNIONIZED Lawn Care Company to do my aerating, fertilizing, weeding and mowing.
 

L Gilbert

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I think China tried something like this a few centuries ago. However, it didn't keep the Mongols out or the Manchus either. Keep in mind such a wall would have to be several thousands kilometers long and would not keep illegal immigrants from coming in by sea.
China didn't have CCTV, razor wire, flood and spotlights, etc., though. But either way, I bet a wall would seriously reduce illegal immigration.