Is Obama the worst president ever?

[EagleSmack]

Probably but when has the UN done anything with out the US concent?

We were involved in Bosnia as a support role. Clinton decided to sit one out and do what everyone else does during these missions until NATO went kicking and screaming that they couldn't get it done right.

So Clinton bombed the crap out of the Serbians and the game was over.

 

[El Barto]

My rant was more to do with that veterans letter to Obama about how the US is all about "dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny "
But the past few decades have basically dropped the ball on other conflicts that could of used thier help but were slow to get involve. No other country that I recall boast of such ideology. That's it , thats all.

 

[EagleSmack]

My rant was more to do with that veterans letter to Obama about how the US is all about "dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny "
But the past few decades have basically dropped the ball on other conflicts that could of used thier help but were slow to get involve. No other country that I recall boast of such ideology. That's it , thats all.

And the times they pick up the ball they get all kinds of S*** for it.

Heck we got S*** for helping Haiti a few months ago.

 

[ironsides]

My rant was more to do with that veterans letter to Obama about how the US is all about "dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny "
But the past few decades have basically dropped the ball on other conflicts that could of used thier help but were slow to get involve. No other country that I recall boast of such ideology. That's it , thats all.

Just a dammed if we do, dammed if we don't philosophy. I don't think we will be helping to many more countries for a while once Afghanistan and Iraq are done.​

 

[Icarus27k]

8O Hundreds of thousands of calls per month? Do you know what the population of the USA workforce is? Do you know how many answered calls that BLS makes? I'd love to see the stat for the degree of error.

The point I am making is still that a larger sample size has a lower margin of error, which is a simple fact of statistics. Your "see nothing, hear nothing" stance toward population size won't do you any good when arguing against statistical theory.

I'll let an intro course to sampling at UC-Davis explain it better. Specifically the lines about larger samples decreasing margin of error, to a point.

Introduction to Sampling

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This thread is really not supposed to be about Canada. As you can see by another post that when ever a liberal goverment gets some power it turns out they cause some pretty racist situations where there were none. Now, I am talking about places in the U.S. ? Hmmm Liberal = Racism. Maybe

That is what conservatives like to claim, that liberals are racist, conservatives care for blacks deeply, conservatives are paragon of virtue when it comes to race.

But then why do most blacks think that conservatives are racist, why do they vote against conservatives by a margin of 90% in most of the races. Are blacks stupid, gullible, racist, what?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Oh there is no question that things are better than they were at their absolute worse which was last November. But it is still at 9.7% which is abysmal.

Basically you are saying... "Well at least it isn't 10.2% so be happy."

Things are getting better? You are that rare breed, a Republican with a sense of reality. Most Republicans are so blinded by their hatred of Obama (the black upstart), that they become blind to reality.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I'm thinking that Porter is of the belief that liberals/democrats are all kindred spirits and that borders/nationalities are of no relevance in their struggle to fight the conservative movement.

Liberals/Democrats are not kindred spirits, they are way too conservative for Canada. Democrats are to the right of red Tories. Not to the right of Blue Tories (and most of the conservatives here represent the utmost extreme of the Conservative Party, they make Harper look like a liberal), but they are definitely to the right of red Tories.

Democratic Party would be comparable to the Conservative party in Canada, they are anything but kindred souls to me.

Unfortunately in USA, the difference is not between the right and the left, but the centre right (Democrat) and extreme right (Republican). So in the US situation, I would prefer Democratic Party. But they are anything but kindred souls.

 

[DaSleeper]

There seems to be an echoechoechoecho

Same ole, same ole

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Quite a few Liberals are racist and they believe that throwing hush money at African American Communities disqualifies them from being racist. They do their best (and they are good at it) to keep them out of lilly white neighborhoods. Minorities are simply super to liberals providing they stay out of their neighborhoods. Even the lilly white community of Andover Ma put their police on the borders during Halloween to stop minority children from Lawrence and Lowell for coming to their neighborhoods for trick or treat. They would rather toss them a life raft than teach them how to swim.

A relative of mine, who while growing up used the N word at leisure. He is a liberal Democrat and voted for Obama so he feels that he is really not a racist regardless of what he calls them. He said Obama is a Good N***** and Republicans are just plain racist.

You still haven't answered the question. If Republicans are such a paragon of virtue when it comes to racism and Liberals are such a Spawn of the Devil (racists), they why do most blacks think that conservatives are racist, and why do they vote overwhelmingly for liberals? Are blacks stupid, racist, dumb, gullible, what?

 

[DaSleeper]

Ever been to a dog race?????;-)

Democratic koolaid looks better:lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

We were involved in Bosnia as a support role. Clinton decided to sit one out and do what everyone else does during these missions until NATO went kicking and screaming that they couldn't get it done right.

So Clinton bombed the crap out of the Serbians and the game was over.

And Republicans opposed the Bosnia operation tooth and nail. They had no problem with war as such; Republicans are very fond of war, of glory. They haven’t come across a war they didn’t like.

But Clinton Derangement Syndrome trumped their fondness for war, for bloodshed. They opposed Bosnia operation simply because Clinton was for it. It was just as well that Republican Congress did not have to allocate any money to the operation. If it was up to them they wouldn’t have given the Bosnian war efforts a penny and would have cheerfully let American soldiers die in the war, in the hope that it may help them at the next election.

Bosnia operation was carried out by Clinton in spite of the visceral hatred showed by Republicans. Indeed, when Bosnia operation was going on, Republicans were busy impeaching Clinton on purely political grounds. The credit for successful Bosnia operation goes entirely to Clinton, none to the Republican hate mongers.

It was no wonder that Clinton was so popular with Americans, and Republican Congress was so unpopular.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Just a dammed if we do, dammed if we don't philosophy. I don't think we will be helping to many more countries for a while once Afghanistan and Iraq are done.​

Don't kid yourself, ironsides. Next time you have a Republican president, he will take you into another Iraq type war. Republicans are fond fo war, to them it means glory, fame, continuation of Manifest Destiny (or American exceptionalism).

And the Republicans will enthusiastically suport him, as they have supported every war started by a Republican.

 

[Icarus27k]

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act did indeed create the Race To The Top program that encourages science and math graduates to become school teachers, just like Obama promised.

PolitiFact | Recruit math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession - Obama promise No. 247:

 

[Icarus27k]

Just to mix things up, let's post a broken campaign promise from Obama. The promise was to end no-bid government contracts worth more $25,000.

PolitiFact | End no-bid contracts above $25,000 - Obama promise No. 30:



The promise was apparently completely unrealistic since in some cases government contracts are urgently needed, and the bidding process is too long. The Heritage Foundation official from the link gives the example of soldiers in Iraq who need sleeping bags ASAP. It would only make sense to get that done without going through the bidding process.

The same logic applies to political promises to end spending earmarks. Sometimes earmarks make sense when there's an emergency. Example: Louisiana Congressmen using earmarks to get funds to their state in response to Hurricane Katrina.

 

[Slim Chance]

Where does Obama's flip-flop on NAFTA fit in?

Personally, I don't think that it's a bad thing for Canada, however, he had seriously conflicting positions on the subject when he spoke on Illionois and later when he called and "clairified" the statement to the Canadian government

 

[ironsides]

Is following this policy a sign of being a good President, it would be very easy for him to prevent the outsourcing of American Defense contracts to companies outside the U.S. We are contributing to the unemployment problem just by the way we direct to run our defense policy. Outsourcing defense jobs to foreign countries. By canceling a contract and putting thousands or other people out of work will not in any way help others who are struggling to make a living and or find jobs. There is no reason that a person who wants to get a job cannot do so. You may not like working in a Burger King, but it is something. Sitting around complaining how bad your live is doesn't help the situation.
As American forces confront the global terrorist threat on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, an equally serious threat exists here at home with the continuous outsourcing and erosion of our defense industrial base. The deterioration of our domestic defense industries, which helped carry us to victory in World War II and the Cold War, represents one of the greatest challenges to our security and the future success of our military forces.
Despite this fact, the list of U.S. defense contracts awarded to foreign competitors continues to grow, most recently with the addition of the French- and German-controlled European and Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS) as the proposed manufacturer of the Air Force's next refueling tanker. The initial $35 billion contract for 179 aircraft was awarded to EADS over the U.S.-based Boeing Co., a leading competitor in the aerospace industry that has built and supported the Air Force's tanker fleet since the Eisenhower administration.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/mar/28/outsourcing-defense-contracts/


A common theme of a globalist was that policies meant to maintain a strong, domestic defense industry are Cold War relics. A number of people claimed that the only perils now were terrorists and perhaps a few backward rogue states. This is the view of a harmonious world that was popular in the 1990s, and which formed the setting for commercial globalization. Any realistic look around the world makes nonsense of this utopian concept. It is especially foolish when held by those in the defense industry. The reason America needs a defense industry to support a powerful military is because the world is not harmonious and stable. In the long run, the United States cannot outsource its security without putting its survival at risk.

U.S. Defense Industry Succumbs to Outsourcing National Security

 

[ironsides]

 

[AnnaG]

The point I am making is still that a larger sample size has a lower margin of error, which is a simple fact of statistics. Your "see nothing, hear nothing" stance toward population size won't do you any good when arguing against statistical theory.

As I asked before and you ignored, how many of those hundreds of thousands of calls per month were actually answered? What is the margin of error?
You opened the door and now you snivel about being asked what is in the room beyond the door.

I'll let an intro course to sampling at UC-Davis explain it better. Specifically the lines about larger samples decreasing margin of error, to a point.

Introduction to Sampling

Thanks, but I took a course in stats. I know what a margin of error is. I want to know what BLS's margin of error is. You posted a half-assed stat and when asked what the margin of error was, you guessed :roll: and since then you've been avoiding the numbers and now you snivel about what margins of error are. Put up or shut up.
Actually, come to think of it, what ARE the numbers of completed calls that BLS make? And don't give me the "hundreds of thousands" crap. I would like to see the mean average of completed calls plus the margin of error.

 

[AnnaG]

You still haven't answered the question. If Republicans are such a paragon of virtue when it comes to racism and Liberals are such a Spawn of the Devil (racists), they why do most blacks think that conservatives are racist, and why do they vote overwhelmingly for liberals? Are blacks stupid, racist, dumb, gullible, what?

So what is the difference between babbling about one group being substandard - the "blacks" - and babbling about another group being substandard - the Cons or Reps? Nothing. You are still promoting hatred of a group of people regardless of whther all the members of that group are good or bad.
You are a bigot.

Anyway, Obama could have done some things better, but judging a job before it is done is stupid, IMO.