oldest religion !!

[darkbeaver]

The oldest religions would all be worship of heavenly bodies starting with the sun I 'd guess, but replaced by the moon when it showed up and Saturn for a while and then the sun again and then Venus for a while and after a bit the heavens changed so fast everybody got confused and then along came some efficient bastard offering the Swiss army knife of gods. The gouging scraping and slicing really got going after that.

 

[AnnaG]

This is a common belief of the idolaters everywhere.

It used to be common belief that the universe revolved around Earth, too. It was eventually shown to be false.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The oldest religions would all be worship of heavenly bodies starting with the sun I 'd guess, but replaced by the moon when it showed up and Saturn for a while and then the sun again and then Venus for a while and after a bit the heavens changed so fast everybody got confused and then along came some efficient bastard offering the Swiss army knife of gods. The gouging scraping and slicing really got going after that.

I don't think so. The oldest 'religion' (if one could call it a religion) was when the prehistoric man sat cowering in his cave, deathly scared of thunder and lightening and ascribed those phenomena to the God of thunder and God of lightening.

That would be the oldest religion, in the loosest sense of the word. But when it comes to a proper religion, oldest religion is Hinduism.

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't think so. The oldest 'religion' (if one could call it a religion) was when the prehistoric man sat cowering in his cave, deathly scared of thunder and lightening and ascribed those phenomena to the God of thunder and God of lightening.

That would be the oldest religion, in the loosest sense of the word. But when it comes to a proper religion, oldest religion is Hinduism.

Will you settle for a tie or do we have to punch it out? We cannot determine what natural phenomenom was observed first, I thought the sun because of it's repeatable appearance conducive to schedual construction. Certainly lightening and thunder are very much used from very early times but little information other than mortal fear is imparted. Now if you can definitively connect lightening to fire and from there to five star french cooking I would concede.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

I don't think so. The oldest 'religion' (if one could call it a religion) was when the prehistoric man sat cowering in his cave, deathly scared of thunder and lightening and ascribed those phenomena to the God of thunder and God of lightening.

That would be the oldest religion, in the loosest sense of the word. But when it comes to a proper religion, oldest religion is Hinduism.

That is merely your opinion - there is no definitive proof that Hinduism is the world's 'oldest' organized religion. Just because you may want it to be doesn't mean it is. There is just as much proof to Zoroastrianism , as there is to Hinduism being the oldest.

 

[AnnaG]

That is merely your opinion - there is no definitive proof that Hinduism is the world's 'oldest' organized religion. Just because you may want it to be doesn't mean it is. There is just as much proof to Zoroastrianism , as there is to Hinduism being the oldest.

Right. In actuality, there is more evidence (right back to Paleolithic times) of animism being the root of organised religions and Hinduism doesn't even come close to being comparable in that sense). Lil Joey simply prefers to ignore that and impose his own definition of organised religion.

 

[Johnnny]

That is merely your opinion - there is no definitive proof that Hinduism is the world's 'oldest' organized religion. Just because you may want it to be doesn't mean it is. There is just as much proof to Zoroastrianism , as there is to Hinduism being the oldest.

hinduism still beats zoroastrianism in terms of age, by about 500 years roughly

 

[eanassir]

Do you know nothing of ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon...? Look it up. It's common knowledge.

History is very ambiguous; historians only try to reach to what was there. Look it up and see how they investigate and put probabilities.

If we want to see the past, we should study the present society and community. People are almost the same.

If we ask several men about God, they will give several explanations about God. Some Christians even consider Jesus the God and the son of God at the same time, and some of them said Jesus is the Creator. Glory be to God Almighty.

Moreover, if we ask Muslims particularly some of the rural: we shall be astonished about their ignorance about God, and they may attribute some divine features to some imams. In other words, they returned like the Arab of the pre-Islam period.

The Arab of the pre-Islam ignorance as an example:
They knew and recognized God Almighty and Most Gracious: the Creator, but they said that they worshipped their patrons in order that such patrons may intercede for them before God.

(If you [Mohammed] ask them [: the associaters]: "Who created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon?" they will say: "God [did all that.]

How then are they turned away [from worshipping God to worshipping the stones?] )


The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 29: 61
وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُم مَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ فَأَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ

Therefore, people everywhere and everywhen know God Almighty, but may be with different names. And there had been some distortion of their original religion of God into polytheism and idolatry.

I saw a Korean football player, when he scored a goal, he lifted his head towards heaven and put his hands together to show gratitude to God.

 

[AnnaG]

roflmao

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That is merely your opinion - there is no definitive proof that Hinduism is the world's 'oldest' organized religion. Just because you may want it to be doesn't mean it is. There is just as much proof to Zoroastrianism , as there is to Hinduism being the oldest.

There is no proof that Zoroastrianism is the oldest religion. It came much after Hinduism. I think it is probably third oldest, after Hinduism and Judaism.

 

[AnnaG]

afrol News - World's oldest religion discovered in Botswana

Like I said, Hinduism is merely the oldest religion practised today and the first to be written down. As far as being the oldest organised religion, it's not.
Zoroastrianism is mentioned in Hindu texts (the Vedas) and although it predates Christianity by a millennia and a half, it is anthropologically younger than Hinduism.
Judaism began somewhere in the Bronze age (maybe 4000 BCE).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

hinduism still beats zoroastrianism in terms of age, by about 500 years roughly

Only 500 years? I would say probably much more than that. I think both Hinduism and Judaism are much older than Zoroastrianism.

 

[eanassir]

roflmao

I asked you a question which you haven't answered:

Do or did your people worship or know " the Lord of the heavens and the earth": the Creator (other than their idols)?

 

[eanassir]

The Christianity as an example how the religion of God is distorted:

From stressing of Jesus on The First Commandment as the most important of all the Commandments, and his asserting so frequently that he is only a son of man --> to the Trinity, and claiming Jesus the son of God Almighty, then taking Jesus as the Redeemer and taking the patrons together with God as intercessors and protectors.

So when one is unaware about Jesus Christ was sent as an apostle of God and that he received the Gospel full of parables and wisdom and inviting people to his Lord that sent him; then one may deem Christianity like the Hinduism or polytheism.

And in fact there is no difference between Christianity and idolatry but only they are a people with a heavenly revealed book and Jesus as an apostle of God as mentioned in the Glorious Quran.

So if we study the consequences of these three heavenly monotheistic religions, we shall know how the other religions have come to be the idolatry and polytheism.

About Judaism and their worshipping the idols of the nearby nations like Astaroth, Baalim and the gold calf, it is so obvious (and now they worship the shrines of their patrons like Bar Yohaya and Rachel and men and women sanctify them and ask their needs from their graves.)
They Worshiped the Idols

About the Islam, unless there is reformation and anti-idolatry work, they may follow the past nations of Jews and Christians in taking the patrons.
This is in spite of the caller on the minarette crying:

Allahu Akbar: God is Most Great.
No god but God.
Mohammed is the apostle of God.
Come to pray, come to success.
God is Most Great
No god but God.
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Quran Interpretation
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[Johnnny]

eanassir its saturday night, go have a beer somewhere... are you in saskatoon? lets go pick up some hotties at the rodeo

 

[AnnaG]

Only 500 years? I would say probably much more than that. I think both Hinduism and Judaism are much older than Zoroastrianism.

Nope. Johnny is right.

 

[AnnaG]

I asked you a question which you haven't answered:

Do or did your people worship or know " the Lord of the heavens and the earth": the Creator (other than their idols)?

Some pay homage to their Creator yes. But their Creator sure doesn't seem to be the same as yours. Theirs seems to be more mature, gentle, kind, and immensely wiser.

 

[eanassir]

Some pay homage to their Creator yes. But their Creator sure doesn't seem to be the same as yours. Theirs seems to be more mature, gentle, kind, and immensely wiser.

What do they call the Creator? or to your people, what is the name of the Creator?
And according to your people, what are the attributes of the Creator?

Did the Creator send any apostle to your people? If so, what is his name? And what are his main teachings? Had he any revealed book according to which your people work?

 

[AnnaG]

What do they call the Creator? or to your people, what is the name of the Creator?
And according to your people, what are the attributes of the Creator?

They call the creator an Anishinaabe word (gitchii manidoo) that translates into English as "Great Spirit". It's a spirit, so humans cannot know what all its traits are.

Did the Creator send any apostle to your people? If so, what is his name? And what are his main teachings? Had he any revealed book according to which your people work?

Anishinaabe traditional beliefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[eanassir]

They call the creator an Anishinaabe word (gitchii manidoo) that translates into English as "Great Spirit". It's a spirit, so humans cannot know what all its traits are.

Anishinaabe traditional beliefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Red Indians also call God: "the Great Spirit".
So the Creator is called (gitchii manidoo) according to this Anishinaabe people.

The question now: is the Creator (gitchii manidoo) the creator of all peoples and nations? Or He created the Anishinaabeg people only?