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I told you this is the meaning of the word "Muslim" literally.

As the word "Christians" means literally related to the Christ, when they in fact have no relation to Jesus Christ from any aspect, and he will - as he said - deny them on Judgment Day and drive them away: "Away from me, evil-doers."

Because he does not know them, does not acknowledge them and does not agree about their enthusiasm, assoiation and their nakeness on the sea shores.
 

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Hello guys in forum canadiancontent it been interval since I was here in this forum , I hope yours all to be in good healthy state and state well ...:smile:

Jewish rabbi Islam the old religion


YouTube - Jewish rabbi proofs that Muhamed is a prophet.wmv

peace upon you ..:smile:


The Muslim, who spoke in this Utube, said that half of the Jews in the Medina converted and followed Prophet Mohammed.

And here I should say that only few of the Jews converted: like Abdullah son of Salam and his friends who were only several men not more, while the majority of Jews there refused to convert and remained stuck to their traditions.

As it is understood from the aya 2: 88-89
وَقَالُواْ قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ بَل لَّعَنَهُمُ اللَّه بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَقَلِيلاً مَّا يُؤْمِنُونَ .. الخ​

The explanation:
(And they say: "Our hearts are enveloped [so we don not understand what you say, Mohammed]."

Not so, but God has cursed them for their blasphemy, and few [of them] it is who do believe.

And when there came to them a Book [the Quran] from God, confirming [the Book: the Torah] that they already have

– although aforetime they were foretelling [about Mohammed's adent] to those who disbelieve -

when there comes to them [the messenger] that they have recognized, they deny him; so God's curse be on deniers.)


In addition, they denied, disbelieved and disobeyed their own prophets, will they then believe and follow a prophet: Mohammed one of the Arab ?

<http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#Their_Rebellion_against_Their_Prophet_>
 
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Just think if Adam had the first bite of the forbidden fruit, women today would be flatulating, burping and have the big beer belly
 
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That's completely and absolutely wrong. Monotheism, the all-powerful single deity, is a relatively recent innovation in the history of religion, most societies have had a large pantheon of deities with various specializations.


How do you know that?
 

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Just think if Adam had the first bite of the forbidden fruit, women today would be flatulating, burping and have the big beer belly


Adam in fact was the first to eat of the fruit, but it was not the apple. The apple is and was not forbidden.

The forbidden fruit was the Raspberry or the Blackberry (a kind of wild berry with thorns and spikes). The first one to eat was Adam (according to the deception of Satan suggestion), then Adam deceived his wife Eve to eat of that berry fruit.

The spikes of that tree tore their clothes and their shames became apparent to each other.

The religion of Adam was God's religion, then his sons associated other beings with God, following Adam's death.

This falling into the association and idolatry was because of their wrong-doing and the enhancing of Satan.

The Second mistake
 

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Indeed Hinduism is the oldest organized, self consistent religion. In my opinion, Hindus collected the fables, stories, superstitions that were floating around in those days among various tribes and weaved all of them into a coherent, logical, pantheistic religion. All the other religions have borrowed heavily from Hinduism (as we saw earlier, Allah was originally a Hindu Goddess).


Languages adopt many words from each other. E.g. many English words are in common use now by the Arab and other nations; because now English is the leading science and civilization language.

In the past, many words had been adopted from other nearby civilizations like the Persian, the Roman ..etc. So why not many words could have their other national origins?

E.g. now the word God obviously means the Creator: the Lord of heavens and earth and the entire universe.

But its origin may be Indo-Arian: because the related word Khodah means God with the Persian, the Kurdish and others who are Indo-Arian peoples.

So the implication of the word الله to the Arab is the same implication of the word God to the English: the Creator. And as it was discussed before the word الله originally is ال إله or "the god".

Because God is called by many names with different nations; and God had no parents who might have named Him when He was born; Glory be to God Almighty the One the Unique. I say this only as argument against the disbeliever, while God in fact has not any son or parents and He is the Eternal.

Moreover, if you say Hinduism is older than the Islam, I say: yes it is; but who were before the Hinduism? Were the Hindu the first people on Earth?

In addition, I think the Hinduism might have been some heavenly religion, and was later on distorted just like the Christianity now. Hinduism now is distorted into an obvious idolatry and polytheism whatever their plea and argument.

I tell you the truth: Had I not been told in the Quran that Christianity is a heavenly monotheistic religion in the origin, (and seeing what Christians say now about Jesus as the son of God and the Trinity) I would have considered them like the Hinduism: a polytheism and idolatry.

And in spite of the fact that the Islam religion is so strict on this point that:
(No god but God alone without associate and that Mohammed is His servant and apostle);
but evenso there has been much enthusiasm about the imams and shikhs and the companions of the prophet that may in the future lead them to the association like the Christianity about Jesus: if this continues;

i.e. some of Muslims may in the future turn to say that Ali is God and Hussein is His son or something like that, unless this will be rejected and reformed.

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Adam in fact was the first to eat of the fruit, but it was not the apple. The apple is and was not forbidden.

The forbidden fruit was the Raspberry or the Blackberry (a kind of wild berry with thorns and spikes). The first one to eat was Adam (according to the deception of Satan suggestion), then Adam deceived his wife Eve to eat of that berry fruit.

The spikes of that tree tore their clothes and their shames became apparent to each other.

The religion of Adam was God's religion, then his sons associated other beings with God, following Adam's death.

This falling into the association and idolatry was because of their wrong-doing and the enhancing of Satan.

The Second mistake

Do you believe that fable to be fact?
 

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Do you believe that fable to be fact?

It isn't any fable. But the story in the Torah of Ezra :) the present available Torah) is like the fable:
How can the snake speak? God came to walk in Paradise! God search about Adam and cry to him: Where are you Adam? Then He started to investigate and inquire about what happened as if He did not know.

While in the Quran:
Satan suggested to Adam (as is he still suggesting to the sons of Adam), and Adam approached the spiky tree and ate of its fruit; the spikes tore his clothes, then Adam deceived Eve until both of them fell in the disobedience and were punished by the garden becoming dry and the water found some way and started to flow in the valley, not on the mounain on which the garden was.

I simulate it to the wine drinker: Satan suggests to him that the wine is good and he will be delighted and have better social relations and have a better personality ...etc, until he drinks the wine and have a temporary enjoiment, but his health will gradually deteriorate, and he will be diverted from his prayers and other religious rites, and may do many things that he will regret later on.

Or to the smoker of cigarettes in the same manner. While it is only illusion and he will harm himself and others.
 

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Cliffy, depends upon how you define religion. Belief in God is probably as old as the humanity itself. However I think religion is more than just a belief in God, the God of thunder, God of lightening, the Sun God etc. Religion is a coherent, well organized value system, with specific beliefs, creed, well developed mythology, perhaps a Messiah, a Prophet or two, a complete worldview, a definite view on afterlife and so on.

By this criteria, Hinduism must be considered the oldest religion, with perhaps Judaism second oldest. Zoroastrianism third oldest and so on.
So who says you are the authority in what defines religion?
 

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He reads more than just the Quran. It is history. Look it up some time. You might learn something beside the nonsense you keep posting.

The polytheist or the idolater even in the past believes in God, but he thinks God is in heaven and will not hear his prayer; while the idols are near to him on earth and they can hear and answer his prayers.

And they thought that God is the biggest god, and he is in heaven.
While the patrons and idols are on earth and nearer to him.
 

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The polytheist or the idolater even in the past believes in God, but he thinks God is in heaven and will not hear his prayer; while the idols are near to him on earth and they can hear and answer his prayers.
How do you know what they think?

And they thought that God is the biggest god, and he is in heaven.
While the patrons and idols are on earth and nearer to him.
How do you know what they thought?
 

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The polytheist or the idolater even in the past believes in God, but he thinks God is in heaven and will not hear his prayer; while the idols are near to him on earth and they can hear and answer his prayers.

And they thought that God is the biggest god, and he is in heaven.
While the patrons and idols are on earth and nearer to him.

No, that's totally wrong. The Greeks believed in their God*S*. They didn't believe their was one God who didn't listen. Whoever told you that was lying to you. The Greeks and Romans and other polytheists believed all of their Gods were in Heaven or Mt. Olympus which to the Greeks was a sort of Heaven (except for Hades). And they believed the idols honored their Gods. Like radios to speak directly to that particular god rather than the total chatter. Get your nose out of the Quran. I'm an atheist and i know more about the world's religions than you do as a believer. Your Quran quotes on everything are getting annoying. Go read an actually book or STFU.
 

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How do you know what they think?

How do you know what they thought?


This is a common belief of the idolaters everywhere.
When Mohammed asked the idolaters who created the earth and heavens: they said God created them.
While they set, besides God, their idols as symbols of the angels and said: these idols are symbols of the angels, therefore we worship the idols to please the angels and the angels in turn will intercede for our behalf before God Most Gracious.

Nowadays, the same recurred: people started to swear and pray to the imams, and say: God is big and great; He is in heaven, while the imam is here therefore, we glorify the shrine of this imam and visit the shrine in order to please the imam, so that God will answer our prayer and will hear our request. So they swear by the imam and do not swear by God and ask their needs from the imam in his shrine and they do not ask their need from God Most Gracious.

So as such will the association or the idolatry develop.
 

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That only works if you forget about the Americas, the far East or the Australian Aborigines. We seem to think civilization is a western concept. The Egyptians, Chinese and Toltecs, Pueblos, and who knows who went before them, all had well organized religions. The Aborigines are the oldest living culture and their religious practices out date most other civilizations as well. There are many definitions of religion. I use a broad definition because i don't think we can restrict it with our own bias.

India is part of the Far East. As to others (other than Hindus), sure they had their own religions. We visited Egypt recently and they had many Gods (including Horus, which shows many similarities with Jesus). They built temples to many of their Gods.

Ancient Greeks had their own religion, so did Ancient Romans. So again, depends upon what one means by religion. I don’t regard belief in God as sufficient to be considered a religion. In prehistoric days, people believed in God of thunder, God of lightening etc. But I hardly think that qualifies are religion.

In my opinion, for a belief to be considered a religion, it must have a worldview, a Holy Book (or several Holy Books, as Hinduism does), well defined afterlife, a well defined set of beliefs and creeds etc. Hinduism is the oldest religion which has all that; Hinduism is the oldest belief which qualifies as a religion.
 

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That's completely and absolutely wrong. Monotheism, the all-powerful single deity, is a relatively recent innovation in the history of religion, most societies have had a large pantheon of deities with various specializations.

Quite so. Hinduism was the first serious attempt at Monotheism (although it works differently from monotheism of Christianity or Islam).