Who will you be in God's Kingdom of Heaven?

[AnnaG]

Is the Internet just a bunch of claims written by several people? Or, is it real?

What does that have to do with anything?

The point is, we would not even have thought of the idea if it weren't a true account of mankind.

:roll: Explain fiction then.

When you dream, are you not taking heaven into account? There's your proof.

Wut? Why would an atheist take something totally fictional into account for anything? Why would a Hindu consider heaven when they believe in multiple Loka?
Proof? Proof of what?

ps. Don't get me wrong, the dead have to dream too

Really? And where's the evidence for this dreaming? Has someone attached an EEG to dead people?

it's just the closest thing I can come up with to compare two worlds.

Astronomists compare worlds all the time.

pps. Still don't get me wrong as the dead are probably calling us dead, and THEY have the real life.

:tard:

 

[theconqueror]

Anyway, if you are wondering why I even started this thread in the first place it was just the fact that it is God's Kingdom of Heaven and not Jesus's Kingdom of Heaven.

I just don't understand how can someone confuse Jesus with God? We to to God for assistance, and we go to God when we die not Jesus, and we live in God's Kingdom not the world of Jesus.

When's the last time you said, Merry Chirstmas to God? Or Happy Birthday God? or any other holiday or glory that we are suppose to dedicate to God? It's God's world right, and not Jesus?

 

[Cliffy]

Anyway, if you are wondering why I even started this thread in the first place it was just the fact that it is God's Kingdom of Heaven and not Jesus's Kingdom of Heaven.

I just don't understand how can someone confuse Jesus with God? We to to God for assistance, and we go to God when we die not Jesus, and we live in God's Kingdom not the world of Jesus.

When's the last time you said, Merry Chirstmas to God? Or Happy Birthday God? or any other holiday or glory that we are suppose to dedicate to God? It's God's world right, and not Jesus?

Whether you believe in god or Jesus is just a choice. Neither have empirical evidence to prove their existence. They exist only in the mind of the believer.

 

[theconqueror]

Whether you believe in god or Jesus is just a choice. Neither have empirical evidence to prove their existence. They exist only in the mind of the believer.

Exactly. Believe what you want and hope your dreams come true. Now, what about when you sleep and enter that world, do you dream what you believe or are you just another victim of the clutches of that world?

Same with life, we are the victims of this world, and soon to be a victim of the next and doesn't matter what you beleive. You get what you get, i'm afraid so start planning ahead.

 

[lone wolf]

Jimmie Morrison much?

 

[theconqueror]

Jimmie Morrison much?

People are strange, when your a stranger...la la la la la

 

[Cliffy]

Exactly. Believe what you want and hope your dreams come true. Now, what about when you sleep and enter that world, do you dream what you believe or are you just another victim of the clutches of that world?

Same with life, we are the victims of this world, and soon to be a victim of the next and doesn't matter what you beleive. You get what you get, i'm afraid so start planning ahead.

There are no victims. People experience life exactly how they believe it to be. If you believe life is dangerous, you live in fear. When I dream, I am working out the challenges that are manifesting in my waking reality (as we perceive it). Neither reality is worthy of fear and neither is what happens when we cross that final bridge. As in life, as in death, we experience what we believe we will experience. So I don't believe in hell, in life or in death.

 

[AnnaG]

Anyway, if you are wondering why I even started this thread in the first place it was just the fact that it is God's Kingdom of Heaven and not Jesus's Kingdom of Heaven.

I just don't understand how can someone confuse Jesus with God? We to to God for assistance, and we go to God when we die not Jesus, and we live in God's Kingdom not the world of Jesus.

When's the last time you said, Merry Chirstmas to God? Or Happy Birthday God? or any other holiday or glory that we are suppose to dedicate to God? It's God's world right, and not Jesus?

Noooo. It's our world, not some god's world or dead guy's world. Some would say it is Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva's world.

 

[theconqueror]

Noooo. It's our world, not some god's world or dead guy's world. Some would say it is Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva's world.

I would like to think so. But if it weren't for this damn permanent deja vu I keep going through I would rather sit back dedicate it to God stay out of it and enjoy the show.

If we are going to be stuck with God, might as well dedicate it to him then kick him off to the corner and say thanks God we got it from here. You know what I mean? :roll:

 

[AnnaG]

I would like to think so. But if it weren't for this damn permanent deja vu I keep going through I would rather sit back dedicate it to God stay out of it and enjoy the show.

If we are going to be stuck with God, might as well dedicate it to him then kick him off to the corner and say thanks God we got it from here. You know what I mean? :roll:

You are stuck to this god. Not me.

 

[theconqueror]

You are stuck to this god. Not me.

C'mon Anna, you kind of have to play along a bit, God is man's greatest hero so have some fun with the idea. Of course your not stuck to God because you have no interest. If God was forced upon us (Heaven forbid) we would be walking zombies, moving around like God's little robots.

God might not even serve a purpose here on earth, as he could have allready made mankind self-sustaining as we are, as is.

I just like to give him the time of day, mostly for entertainment purposes but at least I respect him for who he is whether we need him or not.

 

[AnnaG]

C'mon Anna, you kind of have to play along a bit, God is man's greatest hero so have some fun with the idea. Of course your not stuck to God because you have no interest.

And that is because gods have no interest in us and don't seem to have any in what goes on in the entire universe.

If God was forced upon us (Heaven forbid) we would be walking zombies, moving around like God's little robots.

Which god? Anyway, of course not. People choose to enslave themselves to gods and other ideas. That is their choice.

God might not even serve a purpose here on earth, as he could have allready made mankind self-sustaining as we are, as is.

Assuming we can correct our behavior concerning our planet, we are self-sustaining.

I just like to give him the time of day, mostly for entertainment purposes but at least I respect him for who he is whether we need him or not.

Well, I just wish that people would quit assuming that because they give some god or other the time of day, EVERYONE else should do or does the same.

 

[eanassir]

I've since got to thinking it's not likely to happen because I doubt if any legal people make it past the gate.

This is part of the belief in الغيب "the Unknown (or the Unseen or the Forefuture)", which is not the present material world that we perceive.

In other words, the believer in God alone without associate, he also believes in الغيب "the Unknown (or the Unseen or the Forefuture)": he believes in the angels, the world of spirits (or the afterlife), as does he believe in Paradise, Hell and the Judgment Day.

The belief in this الغيب "Unknown (or the Unseen or the Forefuture)" is based on his belief in God and His justice and His promise to reward the righteous and punish the wrong-doer.

Moreover, to this الغيب "Unknown (or the Unseen or the Forefuture)", there are many indications and signs.

(That Scripture [: the Quran], whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who ward off [God's punishment.]​

Who believe in الغيب the Unseen [or the Unknown or the Forefuture],
are steadfast in prayer,
and spend out of what We have provided for them.​

And who believe in that [Quran] which is revealed to you [ Mohammed] and that [Torah and Gospel] which was revealed before you,

and are certain [in their belief] about the afterlife.​

These have guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.)​

The above between brackets is the explanation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan of the Quran ayat 2-5:​

ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ .الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ . والَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ . أُوْلَـئِكَ عَلَى هُدًى مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
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[eanassir]

Yes. I know, don't worry i'm a plain Catholic the reason I brought Eckankar up is I use it as a test to see how much you really know about God and how Heaven works.

As a Catholic, I think the Eckankar's know what I know as secrets, they are publishing this stuff publically. "little hackers of religion" is what I call them...

The religion of God is to follow His words revealed to His apostles​

To explain my previous post, I should say:

When man follows the word of God --> then this is the religion of God,
but when anyone follows other programs --> then this is the falsehood and following the desire and imagination.

Most people now follow their traditions and their imagination and their inventions, while they disregard the word of God revealed in Torah, the Gospel and the Quran.

What you see now is people following the innovations by their religious leaders, and when one investigates this, he will not find any thing of that commanded in any heavenly revealed book.

That is because even Moses, Jesus and Mohammed did not speak such heavenly books from their own words but that was the word of God revealed to them and they conveyed it to people.

(And the [Quran] is the revealing of [God] the Lord of the worlds.​

The 'Trustworthy Ghost' [Gabriel] came down with it,​

Upon your heart [Mohammed], that you should become [one] of those who warn [against the idolatry.] )​

The above between brackets is the explanation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan of the Quran ayat 26:192-194 ​

وَإِنَّهُ لَتَنزِيلُ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ .نَزَلَ بِهِ الرُّوحُ الْأَمِينُ . عَلَى قَلْبِكَ لِتَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُنذِرِينَ​

​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[eanassir]

The fact is, nothing about "gods" nor heaven, nor paradise, no happy hunting grounds, etc. can be proven. It's all just unsubstantiated claims.

This is your imagination and insisting:

"gods": in fact no god other than God the Creator; all other idols are false; some people call angels or demons or spirits as gods: this is not what I mean: but I mean God is the Creator of everything in the universe; no other god apart from Him is there existing in the universe; all the rest are false; but God is called by other names in different languages: He is God the Creator: the Owner of the heavens and the earth.

So while you deny God, the afterlife, Paradise, Hell, the Judgment Day --> this is only your opinion, without any evidence to it;

how can you insist there is no afterlife and you have not gone there yet ?

(But [actually] their knowledge attains [to their fathers' knowledge] of the afterlife: being only denial; ​

moreover they are in doubt concerning it; ​

even they are blind as to it.)​

The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan, of the Quran ayat 27: 66​

بَلِ ادَّارَكَ عِلْمُهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ بَلْ هُمْ فِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهَا بَلْ هُم مِّنْهَا عَمِونَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[eanassir]

Little story of being resurrected. Don't care call me crazy..

You are not crazy; you are truthful with your story. I believe your story.

When I was nine years old I died of a second hand smoke inhalation heart attack. After death I kept everything except my body. It was kinda a flimsy feeling moving at a fast pace. There was no difference between death and life as I never went anywhere. I could stand next to my body, look at everything and everyone exactly as I left it. There was a little black area around my eyes big deal, I got used to it. You think about where you want to move and your there you are in a blink of an eye.

See a similar true story here
An Hour with Ghosts

A trip in the world of ghosts [: An Hour among Spirits]​

Then God comes out of nowhere as a human shape without color,

This is not God - glory be to God; this one only might be an angel.

Then God comes out of nowhere as a human shape without color, grabs me and starts stuffing me into my body's eyes. Then I wake up. I never went to the hospital, my uncle just took me home and I went right to bed. I was never the same after that...

And there are some other similar stories that you may find here:
An Hour with Ghosts

like:
An Hour with Ghosts
An Hour with Ghosts

A Most Wonderful Journey in the After-life World
A Nurse Died for Two Hours
The American housewife Bitty Patterson​

 

[darkbeaver]

Whether you believe in god or Jesus is just a choice. Neither have empirical evidence to prove their existence. They exist only in the mind of the believer.

In support of your statement Cliffy. Did Jesus suffer similar subjective limitations when he said, "no one could get there except through him." That's not an exact translation by the way.



In addition, scientific language, whether mathematical or lexical, suffers from the same defects, it is not real but only a "symbolic means of representing the world," "a dangerous instrument to use," "a symbol definable only in terms of other symbols." Opinions about reality therefore exist only in the scientist's mind and "need not," in Jean's words, "resemble the objects in which they originate," and therefore "it is no longer objective nature itself but nature in relation to the human observer that becomes the material studied by physics."Big and Little Science

 

[Cliffy]

[FONT=&quot]"The Truth, God or Reality, do not change with the symbols that we use to represent them.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]There are thousands of spiritual symbols including vocal, pictorial and written. The bible, ceremonial pipe, pentagrams, crosses, signs of the zodiac, runes and circles are just symbols to which we attach meanings. What people tend to forget is that words are also symbols.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Words are just a series of lines and curves or sounds. They are only symbols that we use to represent feelings, ideas and things. It is only when the eyes and ears perceive them and the mind interprets the message, relating it to past and present experience, that we attach meanings to them. This process is so fast the brain tricks itself into thinking the meaning is in the word, not in its own interpretation of it." - from The Freedom of Responsibility[/FONT]


Religious texts (or oral stories) are just man's attempt at putting into symbols experiences that are beyond words. Every culture has attempted to define the infinite from the perspective of the finite. It is a futile attempt because the divine can neither be described or contained in any book or any imagination. It is beyond our comprehension or capacity to explain or describe.


Religions have sprung up mainly to contain and control the masses by claiming an insider's knowledge of the divine, but by definition, their "knowledge" can only be anecdotal and without real substance. The way to knowing the divine is to know oneself. Religion prevents that by claiming that the divine is a separate entity beyond our reach and only accessible through their inter-mediation. They claim to have the inside scoop on all the god poop, but that, of course, is just a whole lot of BS.

 

[eanassir]

And this "divine" that you said about: will not He send His envoys to creatures; or did He create them then forgot about them ?

("Did you think that We created you aimlessly, and that you would not return to Us!?")

The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan, of the Quran 23: 115​

أَفَحَسِبْتُمْ أَنَّمَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا تُرْجَعُونَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[AnnaG]

This is your imagination and insisting:

Perhaps, but it's still fact. No-one has ever proven the existence of gods. All humans can do is claim they exist.

"gods"

: in fact no god other than God the Creator; all other idols are false;

بَلِ ادَّارَكَ عِلْمُهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ بَلْ هُمْ فِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهَا بَلْ هُم مِّنْهَا عَمِونَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

Hearsay and gibberish.