Who will you be in God's Kingdom of Heaven?
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AnnaG, you opined:
"To a point. Shoulders just started out being weird, as did our eyeballs, though.
Here let me illustrate what I mean: our retinas are backwards. When we see things, our retinas turn them upside down and reversed laterally, so our brains have to spend energy rectifying the view in order to make sense. Besides that, what we see is filtered through a mass of blood vessels and other obstructions.
On the other hand; the green iguana has a similar use for its eyes as we do yet the structures of its eye is much better so it can see much better than humans."
I fully agree with you.
However, I would much rather have my imperfect human eyes and human (average) brain, than the perfect eyes of a green iguana with its brain.
"To a point. Shoulders just started out being weird, as did our eyeballs, though.
Here let me illustrate what I mean: our retinas are backwards. When we see things, our retinas turn them upside down and reversed laterally, so our brains have to spend energy rectifying the view in order to make sense. Besides that, what we see is filtered through a mass of blood vessels and other obstructions.
On the other hand; the green iguana has a similar use for its eyes as we do yet the structures of its eye is much better so it can see much better than humans."
I fully agree with you.
However, I would much rather have my imperfect human eyes and human (average) brain, than the perfect eyes of a green iguana with its brain.
The interpretation of the Quran is a new revelation
Al-Hilly did not translate the Quran to English or other languages: he interpreted or explained it in Arabic.
It is I myself that translated his interpretation to English.
The interpretation of the Quran by Al-Hilly is an inspiration and revelation; it is God only That knows the meaning of the ambiguous ayat of the Quran.
Even the most exprert among Muslims could not reach to the elucidation of such meanings and implications of the ambiguous ayat, which remained a challenge until Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly came and interpreted them with God's inspiring him and a revelation from some angels and the Christ.
If you ask many Muslims they may deny such interpretation, and - being rigid traditionalists - they don't believe such interpretation of the Quran.
(But [actually] they [Mohammed's people at his time] have cried lies to the [mysterious ayat of the Quran: the 'similitudes'], the knowledge of which they comprehend not,
and even when the interpretation thereof will come to them [at the time of the Mahdi-Paraclite, they will also cry lies.]
Even so those [unbelieving nations] that were before them cried lies [to their apostles];
then see [O Mohammed] what end was of the wrong-doers [: was it not destruction and ruining?])
The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, of the Quran 10: 39
بَلْ كَذَّبُواْ بِمَا لَمْ يُحِيطُواْ بِعِلْمِهِ وَلَمَّا يَأْتِهِمْ تَأْوِيلُهُ كَذَلِكَ كَذَّبَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ فَانظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الظَّالِمِينَ
So AnnaG try to understand this, although I am certain that you only want to wrangle and not to understand, so AnnaG try to understand this:
Crying lies to the apostles is the same with all nations:
all of them disbelieved their apostles and said to them: you are only liars and impostors, and this revelation is only your invention and forging and it is not from God.
The aya means:
= Mohammed's people (at his time) denied the revelation of the Quran, and said the Quran is not revealed from God.
= Muslims and others (now) deny the interpretation of the Quran and say it is gibberish and hearsay.
= Similarly, the ancient peoples (before Mohammed) also denied their apostles in the same manner.
So all of it is only denial and disbelieving and rejecting --> leading to the same consequences of destruction of successive generations of disbelievers.
Crying lies to the apostles is the same with all nations:
all of them disbelieved their apostles and said to them: you are only liars and impostors, and this revelation is only your invention and forging and it is not from God.
The aya means:
= Mohammed's people (at his time) denied the revelation of the Quran, and said the Quran is not revealed from God.
= Muslims and others (now) deny the interpretation of the Quran and say it is gibberish and hearsay.
= Similarly, the ancient peoples (before Mohammed) also denied their apostles in the same manner.
So all of it is only denial and disbelieving and rejecting --> leading to the same consequences of destruction of successive generations of disbelievers.
See this here:
(Then We sent Our messengers [successively] one after another.
(Then We sent Our messengers [successively] one after another.
Whenever their messenger came to any nation they accused him of falsehood;
so We made some of them to follow others [to destruction]; and We made them mere tales;
away then with a people who do not believe.)
The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, of the Quran 23: 44
ثُمَّ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلَنَا تَتْرَا كُلَّ مَا جَاء أُمَّةً رَّسُولُهَا كَذَّبُوهُ فَأَتْبَعْنَا بَعْضَهُم بَعْضًا وَجَعَلْنَاهُمْ أَحَادِيثَ فَبُعْدًا لِّقَوْمٍ لَّا يُؤْمِنُونَ
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I love Arabic writing. It shows a lot of care and artistry went into creating it. But your English is not very good and so I am assuming your translation is also not very good, which is probably why you are not making any converts here, what you are saying just doesn't make sense. There may be a god but you are not doing it any favours.
ثُمَّ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلَنَا تَتْرَا كُلَّ مَا جَاء أُمَّةً رَّسُولُهَا كَذَّبُوهُ فَأَتْبَعْنَا بَعْضَهُم بَعْضًا وَجَعَلْنَاهُمْ أَحَادِيثَ فَبُعْدًا
لِّقَوْمٍ لَّا يُؤْمِنُونَ
ثُمَّ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلَنَا تَتْرَا كُلَّ مَا جَاء أُمَّةً رَّسُولُهَا كَذَّبُوهُ فَأَتْبَعْنَا بَعْضَهُم بَعْضًا وَجَعَلْنَاهُمْ أَحَادِيثَ فَبُعْدًا
لِّقَوْمٍ لَّا يُؤْمِنُونَ
Mohammed was denied just as had the past apostles been denied
(But if they [now] deny you [Mohammed];
as such were [many] messengers denied before you,
and souls [after death] will return to God [Who will recompense and punish them.])
The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, of the Quran 35: 4
(But if they [now] deny you [Mohammed];
as such were [many] messengers denied before you,
and souls [after death] will return to God [Who will recompense and punish them.])
The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, of the Quran 35: 4
وَإِن يُكَذِّبُوكَ فَقَدْ كُذِّبَتْ رُسُلٌ مِّن قَبْلِكَ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ تُرْجَعُ الأمُورُ
I hate to be the one to bust your bubble but the whole god thing is a fairy tale. Just like Santa and the easter bunny. When you die that is it. Dust.
If God wants to guide anyone, then one word may be enough to guide him;
but if one does not deserve guidance and God Most Gracious does not like to guide him, then if all people spend all the time in trying to convince such man, he will never accept the guidance even if Moses himself speaks to him.
And even if Jesus speaks to such wrong-doer, then his words will be in vain like the seed that falls on the rock and it will not grow (this is a parable of Jesus himself.)
And even if Mohammed himself comes and speaks to some Muslims, they will not accept the interpretation of the Quran unless God Himself guides them.
God, Allah and Jehovah are synonyms of the Creator in English, Arabic and Hebrew.
While Budah is not God; he was a man: a righteous one; was he a prophet? I don't know.
Abu Abd-Allah said if Budah invited people to God alone without associate then he was a prophet; or else he is not any prophet.
Jesus also is not god; God is God Almighty the Eternal and Creator.
Who said anything about perfection? And by the way, Jack. I did not "opine" the facts about human eyes in comparison to iguana eyes.
Either way, gods are fallible and imperfect themselves, so it is not surprising that they would create such walking bundles of glitches as humans.
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Oh, well, that changes everything then. It's impossible for you to make errors so your interpretations are infallible. :roll:
So that means that no interpretation can be known to be the right one.
And did Allah tell you that he inspired Al Hilly?
If Mohammed was actually Allah's "prophet", Allah can tell me himself. Then I'll believe it. If Mohammed was alive and told me he is Allah's "prophet", why would I believe him. He could be lying.
God perfects His creation
God - be glorified - perfected everything He created: to serve the purpose of creating such creatures.
E.g. man is different from fish which lives in the water and is different from the sea gull which flies in the air.
The eye of the sea gull is created in such a way that enables this bird to see the fish under the water surface and to ascertain its place exactly then to come down on it and capture it with its paws then to fly again and eat its provision.
While the eye of man is created in another marvelous way of creation to serve this creature doing its work and avoiding the danger.
Therefore, all the creation of God is perfection; but the created being will have always some limitations of his abilities or else he himself becomes a god.
Hence, the limitation of the created being indicates someone that limited him: that is the Creator with His infinite might.
(… God's handwork, Who has perfected everything.
He is All-Aware of the things you [people] do.)
He is All-Aware of the things you [people] do.)
The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, of the Quran 27: 88
صُنْعَ اللَّهِ الَّذِي أَتْقَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ إِنَّهُ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَفْعَلُونَ
Who said I am infallible; no one is infallible other than God Himself that is Infallible.
To me I admit that I do many many mistakes, and I correct such mistakes.
Even the apostles and prophets are not infallible, except that God and His angels protect them from falling in mistakes by warning them to avoid any mistake, while sometimes God Himself intentionally let them fall in mistakes to domnstrate to people that the apostle is only a human being like themselves and he may commit some mistakes.
The mistake of the prophet
The explanation of the Muhkam (or plain ayat) is known to people, but the explanation of the Mutashabih (or ambiguous ayat) is unknown to people, until it was interpreted by the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.
E.g. the man called Luqman in the Quran, no one knew who is this Luqman until the interpreter said this man is in fact Tobia who was a wise man and prophet and he had wisdom and admonished his son; but in the Quran he was called Luqman (his title not his true name) because he was a kind-hearted man to the extent that he takes the food from his mouth and give it to the poor and needy (as is the title Luqman implies) because of his generosity and kind heart.
Another example is the aya 2: 171
وَمَثَلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ كَمَثَلِ الَّذِي يَنْعِقُ بِمَا لاَ يَسْمَعُ إِلاَّ دُعَاء وَنِدَاء صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ فَهُمْ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ
The explanation:
(The likeness of those who unbelieve is as the likeness of one who cries at that which does not hear: nothing but calling and crying. Deaf, dumb, blind and they do not understand.)
So who is the "one who cries at that which does not hear)?
No one knew that until the late interpreter, Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly said this one was Prophet Abraham when he cried at the stone idols: Would you eat? Can't you hear? then he broke them up except the big one.
And there is a lage number of other examples.
In the Quran, there are many ayat indicating that the explanation of the mysterious ayat will come after elapsing of some period of time.
Like His saying-be exalted- in the Quran 38: 88
وَلَتَعْلَمُنَّ نَبَأَهُ بَعْدَ حِينٍ
The explanation:
( And you [people] shall surely come to know, after a time, the truth thereof.) It means after a period of time.
Moreover, God-be exalted- said in the Quran 75: 19
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهُ
The explanation:
(Then [after a long time] We have to explain it [to people])
It means: the explanation of what revelations of the Quran were mysterious to them, and which they do not understand their meaning.
And God-be exalted- said in the Quran 6: 105
وَكَذَلِكَ نُصَرِّفُ الآيَاتِ وَلِيَقُولُواْ دَرَسْتَ وَلِنُبَيِّنَهُ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation:
(That they may say [to you, Mohammed,] “You have studied [the past heavenly scriptures, and then you compiled the Quran accordingly]”, and that We may explain the [Quran in the future] to people who know [modern sciences.])
<http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#___A_The_Abrogation_>
The interpreter said: "God has fulfilled what He had promised; for He never breaks His promise. So He inspired into me [: i.e. the interpreter: Mohammed-Ali Hassan] the interpretation of the Quran, and I explained the meaning of the revelations of the Quran that are “similitudes”, [i.e. the mysterious ayat of the Quran];
I explained them fully and clearly, so that by now there shouldn’t be any aya in the Quran that one cannot understand its meaning, and there shouldn’t be any aya that they think to be an “abrogated” one or annulled , but on the contrary it should be clear to them that there isn’t any “abrogation” in the Quran, and all of it is unchangeable.
I called that book “The True Interpretation of the Revelation”
This book was written by the interpreter (hand-writing), but has not been published in Arabic, neither has it been translated yet.
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God does not need anyone: He does not need the worship and servitude of anyone of His creatures, and He has filled the universe: the galaxies and their solar systems and our solar system planets: He filled all that with a large number of His created beings: they serve willingly or by loath. God has the angels in the ethereal kingdom of heavens and all these worship and glorify Him; and if some atheists and idolaters deny Him and disbelieve His apostles, He is going to exterminate them and create others who will not be disbelievers like them.
Moreover God is Superior and Proud and He is worthy of that; so His way is He sends His envoys :the apostles to warn people of the idolatry and associating anyone with Him.
In addition, God does not speak to anyone: He spoke to His apostle Moses from the olive tree, but He was not in the tree: He sent the voice over the ethereal waves and Moses heard it from the tree just as you hear the news from the radio set, while the speaker is not in the set itself but at London or elsewhere.
God does not speak to people but He greets the believers and congratulates them on their admission to Paradise.
The disbelievers among Quraish the tribe of Prophet Mohammed also demanded that God should speak to them and tell them that Mohammed is His apostle to them which had not been the case with any apostle: Only the apostle comes and warns people then God guides the one who deserves the guidance and misguides the one that deserves the misguidance.
(Those who know not, say: ' Would that God have spoken to us, or that a portent have come to us!'
So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike.
We have clearly explained the signs [of revelation] to a people who are sure [of faith.])
The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, of the Quran 2: 118
وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ لَوْلاَ يُكَلِّمُنَا اللّهُ أَوْ تَأْتِينَا آيَةٌ كَذَلِكَ قَالَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِم مِّثْلَ قَوْلِهِمْ تَشَابَهَتْ قُلُوبُهُمْ قَدْ بَيَّنَّا الآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يُوقِنُونَ
i heard the main religous dude in iran was saying the reason why earthquakes happen is because of women not abiding to the islamic way :lol:, they are such rocket scientists
You are rancorous, so go and laugh as you like.
The main reason for punishing people is the association with God: they associate Jesus, The patron saint, the imams and shaikhs (and Jewish saints or sages like Bar Yohaya and Rachel mother of the believers) they associate such men with God by glorifying them and saying they are with God or His son, and they share such men with God in the worship so that they worship Jesus as do they worship God and some of them does not distinguish even between God and such Jesus and imams.
This association with God comes from their wrong-doing: they wrong each other so God misguides them and they deserve the punishment by earthquake or other kinds of punishment: because of their associating Jesus and their idols with God Almighty.
( Say [Mohammed to these idolaters and disbelievers]:
He [God] is All-Able to send forth upon you, [associaters,]
>> chastisement from above you [like the hurricane and plague]
>> or from under your feet [like the earthquake and flood],
>> or to confuse you in sects and to make you suffer of the violence of one another [so that wars take place among them].
Behold [O Mohammed] how We turn about the revelations; haply that they may understand.)
The above between brackets is the explanation, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, of the Quran 6: 65
قُلْ هُوَ الْقَادِرُ عَلَى أَن يَبْعَثَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابًا مِّن فَوْقِكُمْ أَوْ مِن تَحْتِ أَرْجُلِكُمْ أَوْ يَلْبِسَكُمْ شِيَعاً وَيُذِيقَ بَعْضَكُم بَأْسَ بَعْضٍ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُصَرِّفُ الآيَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَفْقَهُونَ
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