Latest poll on Capital punishment

[JLM]

No, I didn't see the program. But I Googled for 'CBC death penalty' and I was able to find the web page where the poll is given. The poll does not mention the figure of 62%. It says 46% oppose introduction of death penalty, 40 % support it.

It also says that conservatives mostly support death penalty, so do Albertans (precisely what I have been saying all along).

And if somebody supports death penalty in a few circumstances (as you do), that is not opposing death penalty, that is supporting death penalty.

You are a conservative but are ashamed to admit it due to some reason. That is why even though you support death penalty, you claim that you don't. Same as you hold conservative positions on a whole host of positions (support death penalty, support privatizing of health care, oppose minimum wage, support Harper, support death penalty etc.) but still insist that you are not a conservative.

You are still not LISTENING, I've told you a dozen times I'm non partisan, I have absolutely no use for 99% of politicians - they are simply corrupt and dishonest. I am also against capital punishment except for a handful of cases I've stated, you're not listening on that score either. S.J. why don't you admit your reasoning ability is minimal. I happen to be in favour of amputating gangrenous limbs (to save a life) but that doesn't say that I'm in favour of amputations.

 

[JLM]

"Death penalty is always wrong, no matter what the crime."- In YOUR opinion - don't mix that up with facts.

 

[JLM]

"It is wrong for government to kill its own citizens, "- THAT, I agree with as with any other enterprize- contract it out.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I am also against capital punishment except for a handful of cases I've stated, you're not listening on that score either.

That is not opposing death penalty, JLM. That is supporting death penalty in some instances. Which means you support death penalty. Opposing death penalty means opposing it in all circumstances, no exceptions. I oppose death penalty.

S.J. why don't you admit your reasoning ability is minimal. I happen to be in favour of amputating gangrenous limbs (to save a life) but that doesn't say that I'm in favour of amputations.

Sure it does. It says that you are in favor of amputation in some circumstances (when doctor deems it medically necessary and the patient also agrees). That does NOT mean that you are opposed to amputation.

It is you who seem to have problem with English language. Supporting something under limited conditions is supporting it, not opposing it.

 

[JLM]

If there is no shadow of a doubt who the murderer is and there is no hope for redemption, why pay to feed it? It's already proven that it lacks the very essence of humanity.

Wolf, it's nice to meet people with some common sense here- I personally can not think of one Canadian who is benefitting by keeping, feeding, housing, clothing Clifford Olson. Rendered down for fertilizer he might be useful.

 

[lone wolf]

It is you who seem to have problem with English language. Supporting something under limited conditions is supporting it, not opposing it.

Tacit approval does not mean all is fine and dandy

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"It is wrong for government to kill its own citizens, "- THAT, I agree with as with any other enterprize- contract it out.

I see. So you clearly support death penalty (you want to contract it out). Then why are you so adamant in claiming that you oppose death penalty?

I can understand you supporting death penalty, that is your right. But then why this inane insistence that you oppose death penalty? Does opposing death penalty somehow seem right to you, rather than supporting it? But then why not oppose it, why just claim so?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Wolf, it's nice to meet people with some common sense here- I personally can not think of one Canadian who is benefitting by keeping, feeding, housing, clothing Clifford Olson. Rendered down for fertilizer he might be useful.

Canadian society as a whole benefits by keeping people like Olson or Bernardo alive. By keeping them alive, Canada is saying that here in Canada, we value human life, we don't take the life of our citizens, no matter what the provocation.

Right to life is very basic, it even overrides free speech, or freedom to worship. Banning death penalty is an essential part of the civilized society.

 

[lone wolf]

Did someone push his badger button again?

 

[JLM]

I see. So you clearly support death penalty (you want to contract it out). Then why are you so adamant in claiming that you oppose death penalty?

I can understand you supporting death penalty, that is your right. But then why this inane insistence that you oppose death penalty? Does opposing death penalty somehow seem right to you, rather than supporting it? But then why not oppose it, why just claim so?

You think like a five year old- that was the age I learned "there is an exception to EVERY rule"- Smart people adhere to old adages like that. NO I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY (unless it's an exception as shown in the previous sentence)

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You think like a five year old- that was the age I learned "there is an exception to EVERY rule"- Smart people adhere to old adages like that. NO I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY (unless it's an exception as shown in the previous sentence)

Again, that is supporting death penalty, in some circumstances. Not opposing it. In the poll which started this thread, you will be counted as a supporter of death penalty, not as an opponent.

The 46% who don't want to bring back the death penalty don't want it back under any conditions. Those 40% who want to bring back death penalty, want to bring it back under limited circumstances, like you do.

You evidently have difficulty grasping the concept of support and oppose.

 

[lone wolf]

That is known in technical jargon as exaggeration. It is an accepted and effective way of getting one's point across.

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[Libertarian]

I've seen too many innocents put on death row to support it at all.

 

[lone wolf]

I've seen too many innocents put on death row to support it at all.

Stephen Truscott comes to mind fast. It was the shadow of a doubt that kept him alive.

 

[JLM]

Canadian society as a whole benefits by keeping people like Olson or Bernardo alive. By keeping them alive, Canada is saying that here in Canada, we value human life, we don't take the life of our citizens, no matter what the provocation.

Right to life is very basic, it even overrides free speech, or freedom to worship. Banning death penalty is an essential part of the civilized society.

One of the main flaws to your argument is your generous use of the word "citizen"- Since when are these bastards "citizens"?

 

[Libertarian]

Stephen Truscott comes to mind fast. It was the shadow of a doubt that kept him alive.

And if one innocent man is executed unfairly, the whole system falls apart. We can NEVER support a system that is that faulty.

Plus the psychological torture of putting people on death row is inhumane.

 

[lone wolf]

And if one innocent man is executed unfairly, the whole system falls apart. We can NEVER support a system that is that faulty.

Plus the psychological torture of putting people on death row is inhumane.

Try the general population ... especially when unjustly convicted

 

[Libertarian]

Try the general population ... especially when unjustly convicted

Yes. It goes against liberty. And regardless of how one wants to sugar-coat it, for the state to kill someone, makes the state murderers. I know modern executions are done by machines, but whoever programmed/built those machines, are just as much a murderer as the murderer himself.

Think about it. The only difference is the legality of it. You are still snuffing out a life, forever.

 

[JLM]

Stephen Truscott comes to mind fast. It was the shadow of a doubt that kept him alive.

Did proof ever immerge that Truscott was definitely innocent or is it still a case of a "shadow of a doubt"?

 

[AnnaG]

You might be able to get away with that in North Korea or in Saudi Arabia, but not in Canada. But then some conservatives (not you) already think that North Korean dictator is a great guy,for standing up to the Earth Hour Nazis.

Name one.

So maybe they have another reason to adore, adulate North Korea and its dictator, death penalty.

Name someone who would.