Excellent rebuttal there Gh.
Ok I admit, I can and will kiss other ass, but SCB is always there and she usually kissing it with me.
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Ann Coulter upsetting people....again
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Just curious....how did we silence her? From my point of view she did it to herself by letting her handlers cancel the speech.
Sounds cowardly to me.
wanna know what's ignorant, reprehensible, and offensive?
Having damn near every spiritual thread hijacked and shyte upon by non believers with impunity.
Watching you f*ckin asshats defend this non Canadian bitches right to spew her crap on one hand and on the other report my posts like they were the spawn of satan to try and shut me down or at least edit the crap out of them.
Don't talk to me about what I am "allowed" to do, because as far as I am concerned, the rhetoric I get deleted is no worse or different than the rhetoric I see that is allowed to stand.
Having damn near every spiritual thread hijacked and shyte upon by non believers with impunity.
Watching you f*ckin asshats defend this non Canadian bitches right to spew her crap on one hand and on the other report my posts like they were the spawn of satan to try and shut me down or at least edit the crap out of them.
Don't talk to me about what I am "allowed" to do, because as far as I am concerned, the rhetoric I get deleted is no worse or different than the rhetoric I see that is allowed to stand.
U of O didn't really silence her. What they did was make the atmosphere so toxic, that her security could not be guaranteed. Whether that's true or not, is open for debate.
I personally agree with you.
But the fact of the matter is, the thousands of documented protesters, all of whom I presume despise Coulter, wouldn't hear of having her speak. Their actions are not conducive to an open and free society. Where discussion can route out and dissolve fallacy.
They preached all sorts of different things, but they certainly were not there to support free speech. That is the message I got.
I think both sides need to grow up, and some balls.
This page in her history, will undoubtedly be used as fodder for future shots at Canada. And sadly, we earned it.
I agree.
You just decribed the contents of your own posts with the word crap. What does that tell you Gh?
Perceptions.
How did they do that? By telling her about our laws on hate speech? I don't think it was needed but it hardly poisoned the atmosphere...Coulter being a bigot may have done that instead.
Sane people would.;-)
Perhaps, but protesting doesn't necessarily mean you want someone silenced and even if they do it's their right to say it and if Coulter wants to hide behind the free speech banner that's her choice but to me it's cowardly.
I think the protesters were pretty ballsy to bad Coulter doesn't have a pair....when the going gets tough.....she bolts.:lol:
However, it will get her great press on right wing media groups and radio.
Yeah she will use it but I hardly think it's our fault. Her not speaking because of a protest is a dumb as any protester saying she has no right to speak.
I was referring to the protesters.
I know some crazy people that do to. :smile:
As I said, I agree, and I think there is room for debate on whether or not her teams actions were necessary or not.
But from what I saw on TV, the protesters were a seething mob. Not that they frightened me, but they certainly were not a shining cross section of Canadian academics, nor were they very open to opposition as you would think a school of higher learning would be, in my opinion.
Our definition of ballsy obviously differs.
Absolutely, hence why we played right into her hands and di ourselves a great disservice.
You and I might have that perception, but we are hardly the average Joe Blow sitting in front of the boob toob.
They didn't from what I gather.
It was the event organizers that canceled the event, amidst an ever increasingly aggressive mob of protesters. So much so that 10 Ottawa police cruisers were dispatched to keep the peace at Marion Hall. Where activists from both U of O and Carlton had gathered. Both extremely left leaning institutions.
Given the ferocity of the group, as indicated by the photographic and video material available, I'm not so sure I would want to walk through them either.
There is a difference between protesting or countering the expressed views of an opposing train of thought, and actively trying to scare them off and shut them down.
What I think we witnessed here is the latter.
This was not a demonstration aimed at bringing light to the absurd beliefs of this pundit, what we see here is an attempt to stifle free speech in Marion Hall.
Although her voice will not be snuffed out, the students at Carlton and U of O, have sent a clear message. International depots, supporters of terrorism and violators of human rights are welcome at these institutions. So long as their ideologies mesh.
But be you an opposing ideology and you will be forced out.
Whether or not my assessment is accurate, this is a black day for U of O and Carlton. Not that my opinion of either could be much lower.
Good morning Gerry- Are you familiar with the writings of Voltaire? If not perhaps you should google him- in matters of human understanding he just may have a slight edge on you- very slight but still an edge.
She speaks in Calgary tonight so if there happens to be any haters in Calgary, they could just pop over and tell her what a bitch she is...............LOL
True, but that's not what happened. According to this morning's Globe&Mail it was her own people who decided to cancel the engagement. They didn't feel they could get her safely through the crowd of protesters into the venue where she was to speak. Given what I saw of that crowd on tv, that seems a prudent decision to me.
Ms. Coulter certainly has the right to say what she thinks, within the limits of things of like libel laws and threats and hate speech, just as others have the right to protest her opinions and utterances, within the same limits, and offer countering views and arguments. There's no absolute right to free speech anywhere and never has been. I've never encountered anything she's said or written that I agreed with, I find her opinions and the way she expresses them to be odious, inflammatory, and puerile, but I see no justification for suppressing her. Better such people should be in the open where we can see them; in any civilized society they'll eventually shoot themselves in the foot.
The protesters I think went over the top and were in fact trying to prevent her from speaking, and the veiled threats in the letter from the provost at the U of O looks to me like a fine example of the worst sort of political correctness. She is correct to dismiss that as bush league. A far more eloquent protest would have been simply to ignore her, have nobody show up to hear her speak. I hope somebody talks her out of filing a complaint with the human rights commission though, it seems to me to be a bastion of political correctness and there's zero chance it'll decide anything in her favour.
The best we can hope for is that this ignites a debate in Canada about what free speech actually means and what are reasonable limits on it. We've gone around bits of that debate before with people like Jim Keegstra in very specific circumstances, and we have a lot of high-sounding principles enshrined in law, but something's gone haywire. Ms. Coulter was denied the right to speak via threats and intimidation, and that, despite however odious and shallow her opinions may be, is just wrong.
What scares me is some of those students may be future politicians in this country.......not that what we have now is much better:grin:
I don't have kids so I can't speak about the subject.....
...but what do parents think about their kids being taught to silence a speaker in a university setting.
...it looked like a set up by a minority of students who were leaders but what did the other kids learn from this protest?
I doesn't hurt Coulter's standing with her followers wherever they are, but I dislike
seeing young people encouraged to violent rhetoric and vocal battery....
Again what did the students learn from this exercise?
Isn't that what they are are attending university for?
To hear only one side of an ideology?
What kind of education is it when there is only one preferred allowed on campus?
None of these kids would have been swayed by whatever Coulter said, why then
were they determined to keep her words silent?
Where is education going when it teaches students what to think and believe?
Education should offer all sides of an issue, allow the issue to be presented by
diverse speakers and let the students decide for themselves without itimidation.
In the final summation, the students will lose if they are consistently "protected" from alternate view. They are considered adults and if they choose what they will
learn without examination of others' views, they are being cheated not protected.
I was reminded of the indoctrination of children in Germany I have seen films of them standing - arms outstretched - chanting Seig Heil.
It's a slippery road you travel and students are bright enough to choose what is best for Canada are they not? Refusing to listen robs them of decision confirmation....and creates mob tactics.
...but what do parents think about their kids being taught to silence a speaker in a university setting.
...it looked like a set up by a minority of students who were leaders but what did the other kids learn from this protest?
I doesn't hurt Coulter's standing with her followers wherever they are, but I dislike
seeing young people encouraged to violent rhetoric and vocal battery....
Again what did the students learn from this exercise?
Isn't that what they are are attending university for?
To hear only one side of an ideology?
What kind of education is it when there is only one preferred allowed on campus?
None of these kids would have been swayed by whatever Coulter said, why then
were they determined to keep her words silent?
Where is education going when it teaches students what to think and believe?
Education should offer all sides of an issue, allow the issue to be presented by
diverse speakers and let the students decide for themselves without itimidation.
In the final summation, the students will lose if they are consistently "protected" from alternate view. They are considered adults and if they choose what they will
learn without examination of others' views, they are being cheated not protected.
I was reminded of the indoctrination of children in Germany I have seen films of them standing - arms outstretched - chanting Seig Heil.
It's a slippery road you travel and students are bright enough to choose what is best for Canada are they not? Refusing to listen robs them of decision confirmation....and creates mob tactics.