Liberal phobia and the cause….

[countryboy]

"No, their role in that area should be limited strictly to creating an environment that will allow jobs to be created".

Good point CB, I know that no political party will ever be free from criticism, being that as you said people are hard to please.
I f we could only see people in Ottawa who will go to work for the people will be a good day, and I know many politicians today they are Liberals and tomorrow the are in a different political ship, they all have ills, I just feel the guy with a strong math ability will allow me to put a blind eye on smaller issues. :smile:

Well, it seems to me we're waiting (and hoping!) for the same thing to happen. I'm an eternal optimist...I figure if/when things really get bottomed out, some of those "real" people will emerge to clean things up. Well, we can always hope, right? :-|

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Well, it seems to me we're waiting (and hoping!) for the same thing to happen. I'm an eternal optimist...I figure if/when things really get bottomed out, some of those "real" people will emerge to clean things up. Well, we can always hope, right? :-|

Hope is a great word CB and we are entitled to hope.

As you know we can not gain with out contributing to the solution.
Cheers :smile:

 

[Cliffy]

Well, it seems to me we're waiting (and hoping!) for the same thing to happen. I'm an eternal optimist...I figure if/when things really get bottomed out, some of those "real" people will emerge to clean things up. Well, we can always hope, right? :-|

That can only happen when we wrestle control of our country back from the hands of international corporations and bankers. Until that day we are sitting ducks. I don't see any politician doing anything except accept their bribes and fattened off shore bank accounts.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

We have discussed the HRC's to great length in the past, you have defended their existance even while they are an abomination to fundamental justice.

We have a difference of opinion here, bob. I think HRC does serve a useful purpose, you don't. Let us leave it at that.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The first tep is to study rock formations to find the best potential areas. That is followed by aerial geo surveys that use electormagnetic waves to further qualify rock structures. Then you send in the prospectors to focus on the best potential sites.

I see. And all this is done by half a dozen prospectors?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Conservative propaganda on a liberal web site?? Idiotic. Get a life.

Don’t you be idiotic. Conservative propaganda to scare Harper acolytes that the bill is as good as passed, in order to scare them into donating money to the Conservative Party.

As you saw some posters here, their posts implied that the bill is a day or two away from passing, that they must write letters to their MPs. etc. What is the obvious extension to that? Why, send money to Conservative party, to fight that evil Spawn of the Devil, the Liberals.

So yes, pure Conservative propaganda. All it is, is a private member’s bill which hasn’t a snowball’s chance in Hell of passing. Conservative MPs put forth plenty of lunatic bills, even loonier than this one.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I should end with this...yes, I like taking the odd potshot here and there too. I'm the first to admit it. And yes, I have "conservative" leanings I guess, in that I'm not in favour of a lot of big(ger) government, as I'm pretty convinced that isn't the answer to our future. Good government, for sure, but not bigger. I hope I'm still right in my belief that we have a lot of good, smart people in Canada that can decide what's best for them and their families, and are better equipped to make it happen. Better than any government, no matter who's in charge of it.

There is nothing wrong with taking potshots, countryboy. I like to take potshots at conservatives myself.

As to not being in favour of big government, do you think that conservatives don’t favour the big government? Well, then you are wrong. Conservatives favour fully as much government as liberals do, perhaps even more. It is just that they will intrude on peoples’ lives in a different way than liberals would.

To put it succinctly, liberals want to regulate the boardroom, but not the bedroom. Conservatives want to regulate the bedroom, but not the boardroom.

Thus conservatives oppose any regulations on big business, they would like to abolish minimum wage (or now that it is here, they would like to freeze it at the current level forever), they are against welfare for the poor (not government’s business), some of them would like to scrap the public education (they would leave it to the churches) etc. Some of them want to privatize health care.

In this respect, they want government to get out of peoples’ lives. On the other hand, they want to ban or restrict abortion, ban or restrict homosexuality (or gay marriage), want to make divorce tougher, want or restrict the free availability of contraceptives, bring back death penalty etc. Some of them, the religious right ones, want to mandate teaching of Creationism in public schools. And of course banning pornography is their pet project, has been for decades (though they seem to have thrown in the towel since the advent of internet).

I remember Mulroney had introduced a comprehensive bill restricting pornography, in some cases outright banning it, but it died because the Parliamentary session came to an end.

So it is a myth that conservatives are for less government. They want fully as much government as liberals do, only in different areas.

 

[countryboy]

I see. And all this is done by half a dozen prospectors?

Sure. You see, we're not talking about a government run program here. Nosiree, we're talking about a rifle approach to zero in on the predetermined best areas in which to prospect, thus gaining the highest level of productivity possible.

 

[countryboy]

There is nothing wrong with taking potshots, countryboy. I like to take potshots at conservatives myself.

As to not being in favour of big government, do you think that conservatives don’t favour the big government? Well, then you are wrong. Conservatives favour fully as much government as liberals do, perhaps even more. It is just that they will intrude on peoples’ lives in a different way than liberals would.

To put it succinctly, liberals want to regulate the boardroom, but not the bedroom. Conservatives want to regulate the bedroom, but not the boardroom.

Thus conservatives oppose any regulations on big business, they would like to abolish minimum wage (or now that it is here, they would like to freeze it at the current level forever), they are against welfare for the poor (not government’s business), some of them would like to scrap the public education (they would leave it to the churches) etc. Some of them want to privatize health care.

In this respect, they want government to get out of peoples’ lives. On the other hand, they want to ban or restrict abortion, ban or restrict homosexuality (or gay marriage), want to make divorce tougher, want or restrict the free availability of contraceptives, bring back death penalty etc. Some of them, the religious right ones, want to mandate teaching of Creationism in public schools. And of course banning pornography is their pet project, has been for decades (though they seem to have thrown in the towel since the advent of internet).

I remember Mulroney had introduced a comprehensive bill restricting pornography, in some cases outright banning it, but it died because the Parliamentary session came to an end.

So it is a myth that conservatives are for less government. They want fully as much government as liberals do, only in different areas.

Conservatives in the bedroom? Jeez, I don't know what kind of neighborhood you live in, but there are only 2 of them in my bedroom.

I'm not at all concerned about how some people might feel about homosexual stuff. As far as I know, I'm a heterosexual which leaves me with no opinion on homosexuals. I believe you pointed out somewhere that nobody should be concerned about what other people do, so I'm not. Why does it bother you so much?

In trying to read and make sense of your post, I knew you were making this all up when I got to the part about conservatives wanting to abolish minimum wage.

Did you find that on Wikipedia?

 

[DaSleeper]

Countryboy: You actually read all that rambling blather??:lol:

 

[countryboy]

Countryboy: You actually read all that rambling blather??:lol:

I became quite good at speed reading a long time ago. I do "skimming" which means I pick out the important points when I give 'er the old once-over. Some posts go by more quickly than others, especially if there aren't any important points in them. :lol:

 

[DaSleeper]

I became quite good at speed reading a long time ago. I do "skimming" which means I pick out the important points when I give 'er the old once-over. Some posts go by more quickly than others, especially if there aren't any important points in them. :lol:

Over the years I've met a few people who seemed to be enthralled with the sound of their own voice.....we usually call them blowhards ......but I have seen far fewer who do it in writing.
I wonder what would be a proper name for such an animal:lol::lol::roll:

 

[JLM]

I see. And all this is done by half a dozen prospectors?

Why not? When you say "all this" you make it sound like we are digging up Canada- the idea is just to find a good mine that will produce enough to pay down debt. I started the "half dozen" concept and I left it open as to how many "helpers" the prospectors could hire. :smile:

 

[countryboy]

Over the years I've met a few people who seemed to be enthralled with the sound of their own voice.....we usually call them blowhards ......but I have seen far fewer who do it in writing.
I wonder what would be a proper name for such an animal:lol::lol::roll:

Well, I can think of quite a few improper names. :lol:

But seriously, that's a good question. "Typehards" doesn't seem to do it justice. "Dick-heads" is too general. And certainly "A$$holes" is just too ordinary. Hmm...a new thread needed for this?

 

[lone wolf]

Well, I can think of quite a few improper names. :lol:

But seriously, that's a good question. "Typehards" doesn't seem to do it justice. "Dick-heads" is too general. And certainly "A$$holes" is just too ordinary. Hmm...a new thread needed for this?

Squid.... The deeper in he gets, the more ink he squirts....

 

[Walter]

Well, I can think of quite a few improper names. :lol:

But seriously, that's a good question. "Typehards" doesn't seem to do it justice. "Dick-heads" is too general. And certainly "A$$holes" is just too ordinary. Hmm...a new thread needed for this?

In my department we have the Richard Cranium awards.

 

[Risus]

Don’t you be idiotic. Conservative propaganda to scare Harper acolytes that the bill is as good as passed, in order to scare them into donating money to the Conservative Party.

As you saw some posters here, their posts implied that the bill is a day or two away from passing, that they must write letters to their MPs. etc. What is the obvious extension to that? Why, send money to Conservative party, to fight that evil Spawn of the Devil, the Liberals.

So yes, pure Conservative propaganda. All it is, is a private member’s bill which hasn’t a snowball’s chance in Hell of passing. Conservative MPs put forth plenty of lunatic bills, even loonier than this one.

You don't get it do you?

 

[DaSleeper]

You don't get it do you?

Some people have 20/20 tunnel vision:lol::roll:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

In trying to read and make sense of your post, I knew you were making this all up when I got to the part about conservatives wanting to abolish minimum wage.

Did you find that on Wikipedia?

Sure you could find that on Wikipedia. Conservative opposition to the minimum wage is well known. They opposed it when it was enacted and now they oppose each and every attempt to increase it.

When Republicans were in power in USA for 12 years, they did not increase minimum wage even once (and of course, Americans experienced unparalleled prosperity for not increasing the minimum wage for 12 years, at least according to conservatives). When Democrats increased it, most Republicans voted against it. Mike Harris did not increase minimum wage here in Ontario for eight years that he was in power (and of course for not raising the minimum wage, Ontario experienced unparallel prosperity under Harris, according to Conservatives anyway).

McGuinty increased minimum wage when he came to power. Even in this forum, many conservatives (including yourself) are opposed to any increase in minimum wage, you would freeze it at the current level forever.

So yes, you could easily find it on Wikipedia. Or simply Google for ‘conservative’ and ‘minimum wage’ and you will find plenty of material describing the hostility by conservatives to the minimum wage for the poor, hostility towards the poor.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I'm not at all concerned about how some people might feel about homosexual stuff. As far as I know, I'm a heterosexual which leaves me with no opinion on homosexuals. I believe you pointed out somewhere that nobody should be concerned about what other people do, so I'm not. Why does it bother you so much?

You may not be concerned about it, but why was there so much opposition to gay marriage by conservatives? Why is there so much opposition in USA by conservatives when it comes to granting gays any rights?

When Supreme Court struck down Texas Sodomy law, making homosexuality a criminal offence punishable by 10 years of imprisonment, why were some conservatives hopping mad about it, and vowed to reverse the Supreme Court decision and recriminalize homosexuality at the earliest possible opportunity?

You may deny it, but conservatives very much want to leave the boardroom alone, while regulating the bedroom, telling people how they may and may not behave in their private lives.