It's time to bring the death penalty back!

[critter171]

Hate to wreck my right-wing looney credentials, but crime in Canada is hardly "out of control". we live in an amazingly peaceful society

You may think you leave in a peacerful society but this is not true not even in the usa.

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Women become trapped in sex trade after being lured to city with false promises. Imagine being beaten, forced into sex work, and told you’ll be killed if you try to escape. The constant threat of violence means you’re too scared to go to the authorities, but even if you did, there’s little chance of retribution for your attacker. This might sound like something that would happen in a third-world country, or during some bygone era, but it’s happening now in Vancouver, and is a reality for many victims of human trafficking.
“I can’t understand why Canada hasn’t successfully prosecuted a single person for human trafficking when you look at other countries like the U.S., Australia, and the U.K.,” says Perrin. “We’ve made the same commitments and been to the same conferences, but Canada has been all talk and no action. We’re just beginning to turn the corner; we’re where other countries we consider ourselves in the same league as were 10 years ago. We’ve had a decade of inaction on this and it’s allowed traffickers to profit; we need to make it more risky and less profitable for them.”

There is some infomation i skip but i am trying to get more important peaces into it

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Only one victim -- a child sold to slave traders by parents -- came forward voluntarily. Fear, threats and coercion probably kept some away. But, Perrin says, in most provinces, especially Ontario and Quebec, it's almost impossible to find any help. But since the solicitor-general's office to combat human trafficking was set up two years ago, there hasn't been a single victim rescued or charge laid. During the two years that Canada identified 31 trafficking victims, the United States found 17,000.
It's not that Canada is clean; the Americans have identified it as both a source and destination country for the victims of slave traders. It's more likely because Canada has no national strategy for finding traffickers, no national plan for identifying and helping victims and little understanding of who the victims are. Canada is obviously doing many things wrong."

 

[JLM]

" Support for death penalty is strongest in Alberta, which is heavily conservative."- That statement is true but It' s not because it's Conservative. How much time have you spent in Alberta? A week? A month maybe? My guess is it's because Albertans are hard working down to earth people who don't have the time or the patience to be messing around baby sitting and supporting low lifes- like the likes of Olson and Pickton who should be dropped in the sewer.

 

[JLM]

Hahahahahahahahahahahah.....(deep breath) Hahahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!

Conservatives say that about Liberals, & Liberals about Conservatives, and
transfers over to the debates on Religion & Global Warming & Palestine &
Israel and so on and so forth...

There's actually a pretty fair mix of folks here and the bias of lop-sidedness on
this is pretty funny if you hear it from ALL camps regularly...and trust me, I do.

No offence meant here...but I hear this all the time...from all directions.

Every Camp of Thought thinks they're fighting the good fight from the
position of the minority....all of them...

Glad to see that Ron, hopefully it will finally put an end to this blabber. :smile:

 

[Francis2004]

Quite so, there are many loopholes. And there is no way you can plug all the loopholes. Particularly when it comes to something like the death penalty, there will always be smart lawyers in USA to make life difficult for proponents of death penalty, to make death penalty a very difficult and very expensive punishment.

People thought the same about abortion in Canada but it is quite a different story today.. Yes we still have demonstrations, but nothing as you would see in many other places.. Close as many loopholes as you can and give what makes sense to the people and perhaps it may quite the crowds.

I am not saying this will work.. I am saying try it and see if it's an option.. There is quite a difference.. If people sit on their hands and keep bitching and whining about something, never trying a new approach, how will we ever move forward ?

I have been called all kinds of thoroughly vile names here, but I have never been called that before.

Sorry but have you read your own posts lately.. You seem as set in your ways as the people you argue about.. Nothing is impossible if you try, only if you give up.. Example: It doesn’t work that way with death penalty opponents, Francis. :-|

 

[AnnaG]

Hahahahahahahahahahahah.....(deep breath) Hahahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!

Conservatives say that about Liberals, & Liberals about Conservatives, and
transfers over to the debates on Religion & Global Warming & Palestine &
Israel and so on and so forth...

There's actually a pretty fair mix of folks here and the bias of lop-sidedness on
this is pretty funny if you hear it from ALL camps regularly...and trust me, I do.

No offence meant here...but I hear this all the time...from all directions.

Every Camp of Thought thinks they're fighting the good fight from the
position of the minority....all of them...

I think that's what Les was trying to point out when he said there are a few hardcore Cons and a few hardcore Glibs and everyone else is in the middle. It isn't "heavily Con" by a long shot - that's a delusional comment.

 

[Bar Sinister]

First off, the idea that living in prison is punishment...

People get use to living on the inside, everything being handed to them..

The real punishment is death.. a rope and planks.

They might get used to it, but they rarely ever get to like it. It is interesting to note that many escape attempts occur during the last few months of a sentence when it would make more sense to wait a little longer and then get out without fear of return.

When I taught about Canada's justice system there were always a number who thought prison was not such a bad place to be. One of my favourite questions to ask was "How many of you would prefer to stay in the school 24 hours a day for several years even if all your basic needs were taken care of?" I never had any takers.

 

[ironsides]

Death Penalty is totally badass.

Supreme Court Rules Death Penalty Is 'Totally Badass' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[SirJosephPorter]

" Support for death penalty is strongest in Alberta, which is heavily conservative."- That statement is true but It' s not because it's Conservative. How much time have you spent in Alberta? A week? A month maybe? My guess is it's because Albertans are hard working down to earth people who don't have the time or the patience to be messing around baby sitting and supporting low lifes- like the likes of Olson and Pickton who should be dropped in the sewer.

Oh, it is true, is it? So you think the poll I quoted is right? Well, miracles will never cease, I thought you did not believe in any statistics, any polls (which are very much statistical in nature).

And Alberta supports death penalty not because it is conservative? Do you have any basis for this statement, other than your opinion? Opinion polls consistently tell us that more conservative a group, more strongly it supports death penalty (thus, in USA, supports for death penalty is lowest among Democrats, higher among independents, and still higher among Republicans, same pattern is observed here in Canada). So you are telling us that Alberta is an exception, that Alberta is conservative, it has more support for death penalty than anywhere else, but that the two are not related.

Do you have any basis to make this statement or just your personal opinion?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

People thought the same about abortion in Canada but it is quite a different story today.. Yes we still have demonstrations, but nothing as you would see in many other places.. Close as many loopholes as you can and give what makes sense to the people and perhaps it may quite the crowds.

I am not saying this will work.. I am saying try it and see if it's an option.. There is quite a difference.. If people sit on their hands and keep bitching and whining about something, never trying a new approach, how will we ever move forward ?

I don’t know in what way you are comparing abortion and death penalty, Francis. Both the issues are dead and buried. Both have been thoroughly debated, Parliament and Courts have had there say and the issues are regarded as settled.

Canadians don’t like to dig up dead and buried issues; politicians who try to do so pay the price at the polls.

So I don’t really see any changes to the death penalty situation in Canada for a long time to come. People don’t want to reopen the issue (this forum notwithstanding), there is very little support for it in Parliament, Courts will rule any attempt to bring back death penalty (voluntary or involuntary) as unconstitutional.

Canada has not had death penalty for a long time now and it will continue that way.

 

[AnnaG]

Oh, it is true, is it? So you think the poll I quoted is right? Well, miracles will never cease, I thought you did not believe in any statistics, any polls (which are very much statistical in nature).

And Alberta supports death penalty not because it is conservative? Do you have any basis for this statement, other than your opinion? Opinion polls consistently tell us that more conservative a group, more strongly it supports death penalty (thus, in USA, supports for death penalty is lowest among Democrats, higher among independents, and still higher among Republicans, same pattern is observed here in Canada).

Perhaps that's because most crooks are liberal. They like to help themselves to other people's goodies, cause other people no end of discomfort and grief. lmao

 

[AnnaG]

I don’t know in what way you are comparing abortion and death penalty, Francis. Both the issues are dead and buried. Both have been thoroughly debated, Parliament and Courts have had there say and the issues are regarded as settled.

And thus spaketh the lord? roflmao
:tard:

 

[ironsides]

Oh, it is true, is it? So you think the poll I quoted is right? Well, miracles will never cease, I thought you did not believe in any statistics, any polls (which are very much statistical in nature).

And Alberta supports death penalty not because it is conservative? Do you have any basis for this statement, other than your opinion? Opinion polls consistently tell us that more conservative a group, more strongly it supports death penalty (thus, in USA, supports for death penalty is lowest among Democrats, higher among independents, and still higher among Republicans, same pattern is observed here in Canada). So you are telling us that Alberta is an exception, that Alberta is conservative, it has more support for death penalty than anywhere else, but that the two are not related.

Do you have any basis to make this statement or just your personal opinion?

More Floridians support the death penalty than New Yorkers and Almost all Arizonians support it more than NY and Floridians. Point is what does it all mean, so what? There are people in Canada who support the death penalty, and someday things just might change nothing is written in stone.

 

[EagleSmack]

More Floridians support the death penalty than New Yorkers and Almost all Arizonians support it more than NY and Floridians. Point is what does it all mean, so what? There are people in Canada who support the death penalty, and someday things just might change nothing is written in stone.

And New York has the Death Penalty.

In Massachusetts our Liberal Leadership will not even allow the people to vote on it. From time to time the Pro-Capital Punishment folks get enough signatures and all the Massachusetts House needs to do is approve it for a ballot question. Nay, Nay. They squash it every time through bribes.

 

[JLM]

More Floridians support the death penalty than New Yorkers and Almost all Arizonians support it more than NY and Floridians. Point is what does it all mean, so what? There are people in Canada who support the death penalty, and someday things just might change nothing is written in stone.

YOu're absolutely bang on Ironsides- nothing is carved in stone. Right now we have 1/3 of the people working to support the other 2/3, while we are going to Hell in a handcart, getting deeper and deep in debt each year (both as a nation and as individuals) A lot of this has to do with providing services that people demand providing for people who don't/won't/can't work. Right now we are starting to feel the crunch, there's some medical procedures that aren't covered and as people get lazier and more dependent on technology, people are going to get sicker and more and more people will be unable to work and pretty soon some people are going to have to do without. When enough poor old sick retired people are living in cardboard boxes, while convicted felons enjoy the good life with all the amenities that's about the time that things are going to change and a "pecking order" will be formed and if I guess right Olson, Pickton and Bernardo will be right at the bottom of it...........................well, the rest you can figure out for yourself (but here's one hint (there could be a few make work projects building gallows)

 

[TenPenny]

Perhaps that's because most crooks are liberal. They like to help themselves to other people's goodies, cause other people no end of discomfort and grief. lmao

Most of the crooks that I've met (no rapists or murderers that I know of, more white collar and petty theft types) are very, very conservative. They believe in fighting for themselves, and to hell with everybody else. The idea of sharing or looking out for the less-advantaged is diametrically opposite to their way of thinking.

 

[ironsides]

And New York has the Death Penalty.

Guess not since 2007. Gov. Paterson will be leaving office soon.

 

[JLM]

Most of the crooks that I've met (no rapists or murderers that I know of, more white collar and petty theft types) are very, very conservative. They believe in fighting for themselves, and to hell with everybody else. The idea of sharing or looking out for the less-advantaged is diametrically opposite to their way of thinking.

A few perhaps, but about 99 44/100% of what you say is pure bullsh*t.

 

[AnnaG]

Most of the crooks that I've met (no rapists or murderers that I know of, more white collar and petty theft types) are very, very conservative. They believe in fighting for themselves, and to hell with everybody else. The idea of sharing or looking out for the less-advantaged is diametrically opposite to their way of thinking.

*shrugs* That sounds just like a few Gliberal I know of. And dat dair Jean ChRETIeN, he say,"Shawinigate, Shawinigate, look at all de dough I make". And Martin, with an angelic look, says, "Adscam? What's that?" And Glen Cluck the socialist from BC says, "Casinogate, Casinogate, ..... aw shucks I got caught". And Mike Harcourt says, "Bingogate, Bingogate, ..... aw shucks I got caught. Better get out while the gettin's good". Yup, proud conservatives all.

 

[TenPenny]

A few perhaps, but about 99 44/100% of what you say is pure bullsh*t.

Well, thanks for that.

 

[Northboy]

Well, thanks for that.

Don't worry, this still is the Age of the Spirit.

You don't have to know everything, just what's Right.

Don't follow me, I'm a pot smokin' Nazarene and the world is not to be made in the image of a pot smokin' Nazarene, It's to be made in God's Childrens' imgage..

Yours.