Basic Human Rights - Define them?

[Downhome_Woman]

Exactly. I made out shopping list today and at the very bottom is "pick up MIL's drugs". Did that mean that they aren't important? Nooooo. It means that the drugstore is the last stop I'll make. Sir Potter is just being obtuse.

Exactly!

 

[JLM]

I have to apologize, there was a slight error in my first statement on lists- I should have said most are either in alphbetical or chronological order. God damn Alzheimers is acting up tonight.

 

[Goober]

A 'wish' list? no. the fact that the article pertaining to the right to an adequate standard of living is number 25, indicates nothing other than that's where it was placed. I would imagine that if you spoke to Eleanor Roosevelt she would tell you that all parts of the declaration have equal value. For that matter, the part referring to freedom of speech only occurs in the preamble. If one were to intuit a motive behind that, one might think that while it was good to note, it didn't merit an actual article.
For the record, Article 25 of the universal declaration of Human Rights states,

"(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age, or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."
Now to me, it's pretty obvious that a"standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services,would include clean water.

Right on the money -

 

[Goober]

When I give to charity, I don't expect nothing in return except to be thanked. My true reward are the results.

Again a contradiction - you expect nothing but expect gratitude - That is a common problem with many who give - Charity should not require gratitude - a tax receipt yes - but gratitude is not always what you may receive - You may unintentionally cause insult due to a person who is in a certain situation beyond their control at times needs help but the still require their self respect -

 

[Slim Chance]

"(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age, or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."
Now to me, it's pretty obvious that a"standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services,would include clean water"



Substitute the words "Everyone has the right to a standard of..." with Everyone has the right not to be denied a standard of....

 

[Goober]

"(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age, or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."
Now to me, it's pretty obvious that a"standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services,would include clean water"



Substitute the words "Everyone has the right to a standard of..." with Everyone has the right not to be denied a standard of....

Why????

 

[Slim Chance]

In my mind, that is an important component for a couple of reasons... There are those groups that do not wish to receive all the items listed (Jehovah Witness' and blood transfusions for example - adequate for the health and well-being). That is one example that illustrates that these "rights" can't be forced on an unwilling "reciepient"... It is no longer a right at this point, it is a violation (ie forcing a JV to receive a transfusion).

Also, in not including that "denial" component, there exists (implicitly) the human right to receive their rights. I'd wager that a conservative estimate of those that are not in receipt of the listed rights would be in excess of 70-80% of the global population. With this in mind, how does one identify how or who is withholding these basic rights from this population?

 

[ironsides]

Goober, you are confusing basic human rights with what countries around the world do or don’t do.

The basic human rights can be defined very succinctly.

Right to be treated as an equal with any other citizen.

Freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to worship.

Other than this, there are no other basic human rights. These rights themselves are very broad in nature, and encompass many things. Thus those who discriminate against homosexuals, put them in prison, whatever are not obeying the basic human rights, in that they are not treating all the citizens equally.

In my opinion, only those countries who permit gay marriage treat homosexuals equally with other citizens, those who permit civil unions (with all the rights and responsibilities of marriage) come close.

As to contraception and abortion, I think that can again come under equal rights for everybody. Men don’t have babies, so women also must have the right to refuse to have babies if they so choose (abortion and contraception). If women are forced to have babies, that does not give them equal rights with men.

Indeed, there are very few countries in the world which grant their citizens all the basic human rights.

Only one thing wrong with your idea of what human rights should be, and that is using the word citizen. Change it to "Human being" The word citizen implies a title to a special group over another, a division so to speak.

 

[GreenFish66]

Define Human being .. Define Animal ..Aren't Human Beings domesticated Animals?

Respect 4 all ...Great or small ..Wild or Domesticated ..What is (a)right what is wrong?

Respect me for Respecting you ..and Justice for all ...

Give a hand up ..Help out ..May the favour be returned 10 fold...

Plant the seeds they will grow ..(preferably grow into the good food of Health ,peace, prosperity . Not into the poisonous weeds of the greed, deception ,poverty ,pestilence )

;-):smile: ..So goes all that song and dance...

History has evolved and grown because of Basic Human Rights..Or else we all would have blown up or killed oursleves off years ago...

Here's a question ..

Do you believe people are ultimately more good than bad ?

What percentage/ratio would you give ...out of 6.6 billion ppl ?

Be careful of your answer ,when you ask it in the mirror ..It will reflect your true nature..

Peace

 

[JLM]

"Aren't Human Beings domesticated Animals?"

Just a very few of them.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I wish every question I was asked was this easy!!!!!!!!!!! Try your telephone directory for starters - go on line and google the list of M.P.s for Canada. Need I go on?

Those lists are just for information, JLM. It doesn’t matter in which order they are listed, so they are listed alphabetically (since the information is easiest to find if they are listed that way). Thus I imagine that US states, Canadian provinces are also usually listed alphabetically.

Show me the list of rights, responsibilities, privileges etc listed alphabetically. Such lists are usually made in the decreasing order of importance.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Only one thing wrong with your idea of what human rights should be, and that is using the word citizen. Change it to "Human being" The word citizen implies a title to a special group over another, a division so to speak.

In any country a citizen is entitled to more rights than a non citizen. The Charter of Rights (or your Constitution) applies in its entirety only to citizens, non citizens may be denied some of the rights, e.g. the right to vote. Some countries also deny non citizens the right to own property.

 

[ironsides]

The right to vote is about all the U.S. denies any non-citizen.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The right to vote is about all the U.S. denies any non-citizen.

Really? How about the right to serve in military, the right to work in high security jobs such as FBI, CIA etc. Are they open to non citizens?

A citizen has the right apply to these jobs. I don’t think a non citizen does.

 

[ironsides]

Really? How about the right to serve in military, the right to work in high security jobs such as FBI, CIA etc. Are they open to non citizens?

A citizen has the right apply to these jobs. I don’t think a non citizen does.

Yes a non-citizen can serve in the military. If someone is required and qualified for a high security job they can get it, being a citizen is not a qualification. Yes, even a citizen can be turned down for high security jobs.

 

[AnnaG]

Those lists are just for information, JLM. It doesn’t matter in which order they are listed, so they are listed alphabetically (since the information is easiest to find if they are listed that way). Thus I imagine that US states, Canadian provinces are also usually listed alphabetically.

Or listed in order from west to east or vice versa.

Show me the list of rights, responsibilities, privileges etc listed alphabetically. Such lists are usually made in the decreasing order of importance.

There doesn't seem to be any particular order at all in this list of rights.
UNESCO Thesaurus: alphabetical list

 

[AnnaG]

From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights at The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care, and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age, or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."

But according to Sir J Portly, those I marked in red aren't rights.

As Avro would say, "he's been PWNED". lol

Thanks, Slim.

 

[Spade]

Human rights: that which we grant our friends but deny our enemies!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Human rights: that which we grant our friends but deny our enemies!

Who is 'we', Spade?

 

[AnnaG]

Who is 'we', Spade?

The guy on first, obviously.