A guide for guidance: how to choose your doctrine

[Downhome_Woman]

Muslims are Islam, they are just a bastardized version.

Please tell me this is tongue in cheek! If it's not, MUSLIMS are those who practice the religion known as Islam.
Islam means to "surrender, resign oneself, to make peace, surrender".
In other worlds, A Muslim is one who practices Islam - who surrenders to what they believe Allah told to Mohammed.
Dislike the religion, but if you do, do it knowing what you dislike - it gives any argument you make credence.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Please tell me this is tongue in cheek! If it's not, MUSLIMS are those who practice the religion known as Islam.
Islam means to "surrender, resign oneself, to make peace, surrender".
In other worlds, A Muslim is one who practices Islam - who surrenders to what they believe Allah told to Mohammed.
Dislike the religion, but if you do, do it knowing what you dislike - it gives any argument you make credence.

I have a problem with this definition. Who decides if somebody is practicing Islam or not? Osama Ben laden would say that anybody who disagrees with him is not practicing Islam, that he is an infidel. Same way, Fundamentalist Christians claim that the moderate Christians do not practice Christianity.

I like my definition better. If somebody says that he is a Muslim, then he is a Muslim (with the exception of obvious inconsistencies, if somebody says he is a Muslim but does not believe in God, then he is deluded). Same way, anybody who says he is a Christian is a Christian, by my definition. As long as he says that he accepts Christ as his Savior, that is good enough for me.

 

[AnnaG]

Nitpick away and invent all the definitions you want. Who cares?

define:muslim - Google Search

 

[Downhome_Woman]

I have a problem with this definition. Who decides if somebody is practicing Islam or not? Osama Ben laden would say that anybody who disagrees with him is not practicing Islam, that he is an infidel. Same way, Fundamentalist Christians claim that the moderate Christians do not practice Christianity.

I like my definition better. If somebody says that he is a Muslim, then he is a Muslim (with the exception of obvious inconsistencies, if somebody says he is a Muslim but does not believe in God, then he is deluded). Same way, anybody who says he is a Christian is a Christian, by my definition. As long as he says that he accepts Christ as his Savior, that is good enough for me.

OK you cretin, your statement,"I like my definition better. If somebody says that he is a Muslim, then he is a Muslim " well then you haven't exactly stated what a Muslim is , have you??? Do you actually KNOW what a Muslim is? Good grief - you seem So involved in being some sort of 'devils advocate' - actually ANY devils advocate' that you totally missed out in this. Your definition? While it may suit you - it has absolutely nothing to do with this point in the thread.
Look - I realize from what you've stated in previous posts that you like to 'pile it on'. In this case, your pile went wonky.

 

[JLM]

Please tell me this is tongue in cheek! If it's not, MUSLIMS are those who practice the religion known as Islam.
Islam means to "surrender, resign oneself, to make peace, surrender".
In other worlds, A Muslim is one who practices Islam - who surrenders to what they believe Allah told to Mohammed.
Dislike the religion, but if you do, do it knowing what you dislike - it gives any argument you make credence.

DhW- I know next to nothing about either Muslim or Islam, I did look it up years ago and from what I read and had confirmed by someone who knew more than me, that Muslim was just a "watered down" form of Islam. However if that is not right I'd be very happy if you would tell me what the difference is.

 

[Spade]

OK you cretin, your statement,"I like my definition better. If somebody says that he is a Muslim, then he is a Muslim " well then you haven't exactly stated what a Muslim is , have you??? Do you actually KNOW what a Muslim is? Good grief - you seem So involved in being some sort of 'devils advocate' - actually ANY devils advocate' that you totally missed out in this. Your definition? While it may suit you - it has absolutely nothing to do with this point in the thread.
Look - I realize from what you've stated in previous posts that you like to 'pile it on'. In this case, your pile went wonky.

I'm still waiting for a definition of a Christian.

 

[Northboy]

A guide for guidance: how to choose your doctrine

From the start, I say: let me complete the idea, with few posts, then object or dispute; because I know some will try to stop the subject for many reasons; therefore: I shall not reply at the start: only after the idea is completed.

Many doctrines are now available, but the truth is only one doctrine.

There is the atheism: denial of God's existence; there is the association of idols, men angels, demons ...etc together with God Almighty. In addition, there is the belief in God alone without associate or equal.

Therefore, there are many doctrines, but the truth is only one: that is to believe in God the Creator: One Eternal God without associate, and to believe in His envoys: the apostles including Mohammed, and His revealed books including the Quran which has the supervision and preference over other books.

I tell you how this is:

First: the atheism is not any doctrine: it is a negative attitude of thinking: man cannot live with intact mind and psychology without believing in God; so the atheism will not give him any stability of mind and psyche: because it is not other than negativism: there is no god as do they claim: so what he will believe in?

Now let me complete the idea in the following post.

Our website:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/

Those who know Arabic, see the interpretation of the mysterious ayat of the Quran here:
[URL="http://www.quran-ayat.com/shabaha/index.htm"]http://www.quran-ayat.com/shabaha/index.htm[/URL]

My path of study has been:

the teachings of Bhudda for the manner in which God's Laws of cause and effect react with the individual.

The Bible for matters of the structure of governance and in which manner cause and effect is apportioned in the world. It is, of course in the manner of Jesus' teachings.

The Koran (I have only a cheap English version) for the warnings of not complying to God's ways.

You will note these Books represent a timeline.....

Through this journey, and my personal "trainers" in heaven, I have received the current day understanding of the Revelation of John.

Just today!!! I am humbled....

You would say my personal code is to follow the morals and philosophy of Jesus Christ. The Lord had Jefferson write it down as a manual for practical Christianity...
We're not talking church and denominational talk here, I'm a Kingdom Builder, in the past a Muslim might have said "Templar".

 

[Downhome_Woman]

I've always thought that if you're going to criticize something you should at least understand something about it.SRM - excuse me SIR JOSEPH PORTER - you know nothing about Christianity and you know nothing about Islam. our just an old curmudgeon - and not a remarkable one at that.

 

[JLM]

I'm still waiting for a definition of a Christian.

How about someone who lives a life abiding by the ethics and morals of Christ? Will that work?

 

[Spade]

How about someone who lives a life abiding by the ethics and morals of Christ? Will that work?

Works for me. Does (did) such a person exist? Perhaps the Dalai Lama or Mahatma Gandhi fit the bill?

 

[JLM]

Works for me. Does (did) such a person exist? Perhaps the Dalai Lama or Mahatma Gandhi fit the bill?

Yep, I suppose Mother Theresa too. Now that we have that established, maybe it would have to be expanded to those who try very hard. I think Christ did recognize that all mortals are sinners.

 

[Spade]

Yep, I suppose Mother Theresa too. Now that we have that established, maybe it would have to be expanded to those who try very hard. I think Christ did recognize that all mortals are sinners.

There I must disagree. Sin is an arbitrary and cultural-specific notion. Sins keep changing depending on the opinion of our "betters." A man, living alone in the bush north of Carrot Creek, cannot sin.

 

[JLM]

There I must disagree. Sin is an arbitrary and cultural-specific notion. Sins keep changing depending on the opinion of our "betters." A man, living alone in the bush north of Carrot Creek, cannot sin.

Yep, living in the bush north of Carrot Creek would definitely curtail his sinning.....................although...................... this is a family forum, maybe I shouldn't expound...............:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Cliffy]

There I must disagree. Sin is an arbitrary and cultural-specific notion. Sins keep changing depending on the opinion of our "betters." A man, living alone in the bush north of Carrot Creek, cannot sin.

Even if he knows furry critters in the biblical sense?;-)

 

[Spade]

Even if he knows furry critters in the biblical sense?;-)

Well, that would depend whether the furry animals were consenting or not.

 

[JLM]

Even if he knows furry critters in the biblical sense?;-)

Trust you to have a dirty mind, Cliff...................:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Cliffy]

Well, that would depend whether the furry animals were consenting or not.

How do you know if they are consenting or not? How the heck do they know what he is up to until it is too late? Every question produces another.

 

[Spade]

Q: Did the orca who killed his trainer sin?
A: Despite the animal's intelligence, he simply did what orcas do. He did not sin.

We define our 'religions" in terms of a series of impossible "don'ts."
Don't miss thy morning prayers.
Don't covet thy neighbour's Lexus.
And, when we fail to do the impossible, we cringe from guilt; for we have "sinned."

Rather, what I wish "religion" would do is emphasize our humanity. And if we were true to ourselves, to our nature, then "Love thy neighbour" would be second nature.

 

[Cliffy]

Q: Did the orca who killed his trainer sin?
A: Despite the animal's intelligence, he simply did what orcas do. He did not sin.

We define our 'religions" in terms of a series of impossible "don'ts."
Don't miss thy morning prayers.
Don't covet thy neighbour's Lexus.
And, when we fail to do the impossible, we cringe from guilt; for we have "sinned."

Rather, what I wish "religion" would do is emphasize our humanity. And if we were true to ourselves, to our nature, then "Love thy neighbour" would be second nature.

That is a more better way to look at it alright. It seems really silly to me to be created a human and then be told not to be one. Where do people get this stuff anyway? Who was the bozo who thought it up? (I know I can't blame eanassir or herald because they just parrot stuff from their Holee books.)

 

[Spade]

Religion is like the "law' or the "tenets" of an organization. It is a systematic accretion of rules and regulations, thought up by "legislators" or "middle management" in all sincerity to make life "better" without their realizing that this accumulation of "don'ts" makes compliance impossible. and so we "sin."
What we need is less complexity; we need simplicity. Reduce the "laws and regulations"; reduce "sin."