it was advertised for weeks and monied by the libs and the ndp.
link??????
it was advertised for weeks and monied by the libs and the ndp.
Okay, if the stance of the Liberals and NDP is that, without Parliament sitting, no work is getting done, then do we understand that the position of the Liberals and NDP is that they will not accept pay when the house is NOT sitting?
Hey jay 3000 + people and many more in other cities demonstrating against the Harper thugs is a clear message to the Conservative bon heads in Ottawa.
If Mr. Harper did it for those reasons you mentioned I'd support him all the way CB. But please don't try to paint our PM as a democratically moral leader. He's doing it for no other reason than to avoid the heat on the Afghan prisoner debacle and to buy time so he can stack the senate with PC supporters, an about face by the way given that he campaigned on an elected senate. Democracy is the last thing on his mind.Some say "undemocratic" - I have a different opinion. I think it's more democratic to get out of the office and visit the "real world" more often.
If Mr. Harper did it for those reasons you mentioned I'd support him all the way CB. But please don't try to paint our PM as a democratically moral leader. He's doing it for no other reason than to avoid the heat on the Afghan prisoner debacle and to buy time so he can stack the senate with PC supporters, an about face by the way given that he campaigned on an elected senate. Democracy is the last thing on his mind.
.....and 33,000,000+ Canadians didn't....so 1/11,000th of the population is upset
enough about this 105th Proroguing of Parliament since confederation....and for
perspective, that would be 0.00009% of Canada's population at these protests.
I think a larger percentage of Canadian Voters show up in the stands for the
average High School Football game in Regina Saskatchewan. 3,000 people is
still a significant number though I guess if this was a neighbourhood protest about
zoning changes or something along those lines. Federally.....not so much.
Really, countryboy? Couldn’t have guessed!
The fact of the matter is that The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C., M.P. (Calgary Southwest), the Prime Minister, recommended prorogation for clearly and unequivocally partisan reasons—whereas, under former governing parties, prorogations were used for routine administration of the legislative program in the Honourable the Senate and the House of Commons. Under this governing party, prorogation is being used (twice now) to escape, and that is unacceptable.
On two seperate occasions now, to ensure that Her Majesty’s Government for Canada cannot be held accountable to our elected representatives during controversial debates and questions of competence, the prime minister has run to Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., the Governor General of Canada, to rescue his Government and party. On the first of those occasions, his request was of such questionable constitutionality that it took nearly two hours for the Governor General to agree—at least on this occasion there wasn’t a question of confidence before the House, but the circumstances nonetheless weren’t much better.
The prime minister did not request prorogation to give members of the Commons a chance to return to their constituencies; he didn’t request prorogation to enhance democracy, or to consult Canadians on the economy, or to help out ‘real Canadian families’ (that phrase makes me sick every time this Government uses it). The prime minister used prorogation to (a) strip House of Commons committees of their power to meet so as to avoid criticism of the Government (and we all know what the prime minister thinks of criticism), and (b) to stall deliberations in the Senate so that the Conservative Party of Canada can gain a majority in the Upper House.
On the first issue: This Government may like to believe that it has no responsibilities as far as our involvement in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan goes, but they would be sorely incorrect. Each successive Government is responsible for the acts of the previous, as Her Majesty’s Government and the Crown are timeless institutions that have no regard for changes in party and leadership. It is up to this prime minister and this Government to investigate these claims of Afghan torture, and the suggestions that our own Canadian Forces may have created opportunities for forture through negligence, and to speak to these issues as and on behalf of the Government of Canada.
On the second issue, every member here likely knows by this point that I am absolutely in favour of an appointed Senate, so I take no issue with the prime minister appointing more honourable senators to this absolutely vital institution. My issue is with the prime minister making new appointments to the Senate swear an oath to support whatever initiatives the Government introduces—it is yet another case of the prime minister attempting to undermine the independence of yet another Canadian institution, and to change the rules of the game for his own political advantage—the constitutional consequences be damned.
So, once more: Did the prime minister have the right to request the prorogation of the Parliament of Canada when he did? Absolutely. Should the Governor General have accepted the prime minister’s advice as our representative of the Crown? Absolutely. Were the prime minister’s reasons for requesting prorogation wrong, and should he be held accountable at the nearest opportunity? Absolutely.
The fact of the matter is that The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C., M.P. (Calgary Southwest), the Prime Minister, recommended prorogation for clearly and unequivocally partisan reasons—whereas, under former governing parties, prorogations were used for routine administration of the legislative program in the Honourable the Senate and the House of Commons.
Parliament Hill web cam showed no more than 1500 of which at least 100 would have been security people. Reporters are trying to spin the numbers and the results but web cams and cell photos do not lie.
Among the thousands of grass-roots rallies held from Halifax to Yellowknife was one in Kingston, where more than 300 people packed into a corner of Market Square on Saturday afternoon to add their voices to the protest of the prime minister's government tactics.Perhaps you’re hoping that nobody clicks that link you provided (or reads its title), but just for the record, (a) your link gives no evidence (or even a mention) of funding for these protests by either the Liberal Party of Canada or the New Democratic Party of Canada; and (b) even the title of your link shows that this is a blog archive you’ve referred us to. Surely there are more credible sources that the conservative side of this debate can cite?
Hi Ron, reality is that Harper shut down parliament in order to defuse the Afghan detainee blander, thus deseiving the public
Okay, so which is it: the majority of Canadians are upset with proroguing, or is it that the majority of Canadians are deceived by Harper's political move?
BEst just to let this perogying slide, they are not making any blunders while doing it and while they are away from Parliament Hill they are costing us less money.
And it seems to me that cabinet ministers are still running their departments. In reality, the only thing we're missing is Question Period, and we know how important that is. If you really miss it, we can just start insulting each other on here. Oh, I guess we've already started.