No More Jesus Rifles

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On the flip side though, if some manufacturer decides to print bible verse code on something I buy, it doesn't speak one iota to MY intent when I use it. Not that enemy troops will believe that perhaps, but, it seems a bit ridiculous.
Who would even notice it was there if it was beside the serial/model #'s? JHN316
 

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Wow... who the hell can read the bible and think for one second that Christ would want to be associated with an instrument of death?


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I am the Lord thy God and will freakin smite thee with a big freakin stick even unto the fifth and sixth and eighth even, generation . Yay! will I cast my countenace upon thee and smuck thee about the ears with palm fronds. These, my INSTRUMENTS OF DEATH, shall smite thou sharply and continuously
even as ye fart in the temple!!!!!
So sayeth Whassisname!!!
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Lots of instruments of death.:naka:


fraid now???
 

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This is an issue that concerns Canadians, as some of our forces do have those sights (encoded with biblical passages).
BBC News - Gunsights' biblical references concern US and UK forces
Frankly, I don't give a tinker's damn what other countries do. But, those inscriptions should be removed from Canadian rifles PDQ. To make war into a Christian endeavour is to confuse and pervert the original message. Wasn't the message, "Love thy neighbour" in a framework of forgiveness and pacifism? And, of course, there should be a separation of church from state!
Onward Christian soldiers marching off to war! It has been a battle cry for 1700 years. The gun incident doesn't surprise but that some Christians think it is OK does. It is completely at odds with the Christian message.
 

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How many vids of Western snipers have you watched. You can bet your bottom dollar the base Chaplin will have sanctioned any kills as being approved by God. That isn't any different other than God enters the picture at slightly different times.
Would you say "Go and sin no more." just before you squeezed a trigger?
Pretty hard to sin when a bullet blows your brains out the back of your head so it sounds like a proper thing to say.
 

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Onward Christian soldiers marching off to war! It has been a battle cry for 1700 years. The gun incident doesn't surprise but that some Christians think it is OK does. It is completely at odds with the Christian message.
What was the battle song from 1701 - 1st war ever?
 

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Pretty hard to sin when a bullet blows your brains out the back of your head so it sounds like a proper thing to say.
It is pretty hard (impossible) to not be in sin when you pull a trigger that results in somebodies body being killed.
Perhaps "Thou shalt not kill" should be inscribed in big orange letters if it is a killing instrument made in a "Christian Nation". An IR scope that locks the trigger is a warm body is detected. Then you would need to bank-shot the bullet to kill a person. Is winging a person legal for a Christian. Say in self defense you remove part of one of their limbs and then when they could no longer hurt you you bandaged them up so they would not die. Is maiming for life part of the do no harm law? (in self-defense only)
 

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It is pretty hard (impossible) to not be in sin when you pull a trigger that results in somebodies body being killed.
Perhaps "Thou shalt not kill" should be inscribed in big orange letters if it is a killing instrument made in a "Christian Nation". An IR scope that locks the trigger is a warm body is detected. Then you would need to bank-shot the bullet to kill a person. Is winging a person legal for a Christian. Say in self defense you remove part of one of their limbs and then when they could no longer hurt you you bandaged them up so they would not die. Is maiming for life part of the do no harm law? (in self-defense only)

Correctly translated that is "thou shalt not MURDER"

Big difference....self-defense is not murder.

Neither is killing in service to the nation in time of war.
 

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How many vids of Western snipers have you watched. You can bet your bottom dollar the base Chaplin will have sanctioned any kills as being approved by God. That isn't any different other than God enters the picture at slightly different times.
Would you say "Go and sin no more." just before you squeezed a trigger?

Any Taliban caught in a Canadian sniper's sight is about to "go and sin no more", saying it would be redundent.

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Correctly translated that is "thou shalt not MURDER"

Big difference....self-defense is not murder.

Neither is killing in service to the nation in time of war.

That would have to be defensive, like inside your own borders, trapsing halfway around the world to engage in battle is not self defense. Ask anybody that knows anything about 'assaults' and ask them if you can beat up a person because (you say without proof) they 'might' be thinking of taking your lawn-mower. If you caught them on your property then you could use force only long enough to see them start to leave. You cannot follow them home, break-in, tie them up for an extended period of time, and torture them while living off their food and water. Any idea how much your Lawyer would cost you to get away with that?
 

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Correctly translated that is "thou shalt not MURDER"

Big difference....self-defense is not murder.

Neither is killing in service to the nation in time of war.

Ah but the circumvention of that rule has been very nicely built by todays sinners.
Remember preemptive defense. War is most definitely murder Colpy, I'm surprised you think differently. But such is the way of the sinner.
 

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Any Taliban caught in a Canadian sniper's sight is about to "go and sin no more", saying it would be redundent.

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The correct words for a Christian is along the lines, "Go forth and build road for there are multitudes to follow." ........ That'll be $50 ....... Each.
 

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Ah but the circumvention of that rule has been very nicely built by todays sinners.
Remember preemptive defense. War is most definitely murder Colpy, I'm surprised you think differently. But such is the way of the sinner.

Circumvention of that rule? I don't think so. It's more like a lousy Church translation that makes murder over into kill. Anything to create guilt and fill Church coffers....
 

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Circumvention of that rule? I don't think so. It's more like a lousy Church translation that makes murder over into kill. Anything to create guilt and fill Church coffers....
Only Bankers have coffers, and they don't tolerate opposition, from anybody, even God since they do not obey one rule He laid down.
 

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That would have to be defensive, like inside your own borders, trapsing halfway around the world to engage in battle is not self defense. Ask anybody that knows anything about 'assaults' and ask them if you can beat up a person because (you say without proof) they 'might' be thinking of taking your lawn-mower. If you caught them on your property then you could use force only long enough to see them start to leave. You cannot follow them home, break-in, tie them up for an extended period of time, and torture them while living off their food and water. Any idea how much your Lawyer would cost you to get away with that?

You make the common mistake of equating international relations with criminal law.

The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

BTW, I consider the entire "issue" of putting biblical quotes on gunsights to be in bad taste, mildly offensive.....I consider the uproar over it to be silly, and spending money to replace the sights idiotic...Big Deal!
 

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Does that mean you have just revoked all definitions of war-crime? 8O

Not at all.

But you are correct, I consider most accusations of "war crimes" to be merely promotion of a specific agenda.........on one side or the other, and they rarely are connected to the reality of warfare.

Genocide is a war crime.

Torture is a war crime.

Violations of treaties that require reciprocal (key word) standards for treatment of prisoners are war crimes.

That's about it.