The mind that is seeking truth will never find it
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Aiming to do something is an intent. To wander is a different act. To wonder is another act.
lol A somewhat lengthy rendition of the confusion China seems to not recognize in himself but gladly posts it here for us to view, but it looks fairly accurate.Y'know, I always thought I had a reasonably adequate grip on the English language, but now I'm beginning to wonder. Since post #1 of this particular thread, I've been wandering - somewhat aimlessly - through the various posts, wondering if I've been wandering in wonder at what the truth actually is. Or isn't. Or might not be.
Or it could be bewilderment that I'm experiencing, not wonder. Hmm...I wonder...
As was originally mentioned by China in post #1, "truth is not something static; it has no fixed abode; it is not an end, a goal." So, if a witness to a crime is sworn to tell "the whole truth and nothing but the truth", does that mean they can refuse to testify based on the fact that the truth may be dynamic? (the opposite of static, and thus a "moving target") - we used to call it "bending the truth" but if there is no truth - or at least the mind can't find the truth - then I assume it isn't bendable.
My parents always told me I should tell the truth but as China points out, "Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it", then I shouldn't have been worried about telling the truth as it would be difficult for a child to figure out exactly what it is. Or isn't. An adult (in this case, me) is having enough trouble figuring it out.
In fact, I'm still wondering exactly what this thread is all about. Am I supposed to be seeking truth or defining it? (Another quote from post #1: "When the mind seeks truth, it is seeking its own self-projection, not truth.") Does that mean that if/when the mind is NOT seeking truth, it is seeking someone else's self-projection, thus "the truth?" Or, is there any such thing as "the truth?"
Perhaps it doesn't exist at all. Perhaps we've all been seeking "what is known" vs. "what is truth." Mind you, if something is known to be the truth, then we have a problem. Perhaps it is the unknown that is truth, but if it's unknown, then we can't know about it, and thus would not be able to determine if it is the truth. Or the untruth. Or anything else, because after all, we don't even know about it!
Geez, now I'm really in deep. Let's see, we have mind, truth, known, unknown, untruth (formerly known as a lie, or least a fib), self-projection, and possible someone else's self-projection. Which actually couldn't be self-projection because we talking about someone else, not our "self."
For some reason, I'm still experiencing a degree of wonder here...I'm wondering what the hell is going on! Perhaps I've lost my way (also known as "wandering", although that might not be the truth because, as we've already surmised, there is no truth), or maybe it's my mind, which is now in serious wandering mode. I can no longer self-project (and that could be detrimental to my social life. (It's true! Er, maybe not "true" but at least some kind of delusion) I can't even think anymore. And I sure as hell am no closer to finding the truth. Or even a lie. Maybe not even a satisfactory delusion. At least I know that truth cannot exist, in my mind or perhaps anywhere else.
However, I can still find 2 things: "Submit Reply" and "Logout."
The definition is evasive. My own particular definition is that truth is fact. That we are human beings is a fact so therefore it is a truth. But then there is the other "truth": IE Shirley says blue is a good color. George says it isn't. IMO, relative "truth" should be called something else. Perhaps "preference" would be a good term.
Yes, but not so much in winter. It's too cold for them.I wonder if your intent is to wander among the roses.
A person's truth is how they live their own life,
what they choose for themselves, how they create their
own happiness, how they care for themselves, how they
care for others.
what they choose for themselves, how they create their
own happiness, how they care for themselves, how they
care for others.
You should frame that and patent it. People bitch all the time about freedom but how many use the freedoms they have?
Tonington
Please show me where I say that .
I'm not saying it's true, but you appear to believe this to be true.
Said many times in the forum ..."I don't believe in anything and whether it is or is not true in your 'frame of believe " .
Please show me where I say that .
I'm not saying it's true, but you appear to believe this to be true.
Said many times in the forum ..."I don't believe in anything and whether it is or is not true in your 'frame of believe " .
The thread title is explicit. It is an assertion, and as such the assertion is true, or it is false. Given the caveat contained in your assertion, I was pondering what state your mind was in when this truth became apparent to you.
The thread title is explicit. It is an assertion, and as such the assertion is true, or it is false. Given the caveat contained in your assertion, I was pondering what state your mind was in when this truth became apparent to you.
Started to answer your post Tonington but was called out and left the comp. running .Some how the above part "got in" and it started the echoooo.
Any how I'm back .
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The mind that is seeking truth will never find it
I don,t think it is so hard to understand - the mind that is "the known" can only search , look for something that the mind knows .it can not consciously look for something that it knows not . .It can invent things but these inventions are of thought and time therefore not true.God or truth cannot be thought about. If you think about it, it is not truth. Truth cannot be sought; it comes to you. You can go after only what is known. When the mind is not tortured by the known, by the effects of the known, then only can truth reveal itself. Truth is to be known from moment to moment. No one can lead you to truth; and if anyone leads you, it can only be to the known.
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Dexter Sinister
I am aware that I cannot by any process, through any discipline, through any form of meditation, go to truth, God, or whatever name you like to give it. It is much too vast, it cannot possibly be conceived of; no description will cover it, no book ( Bible or whatever) can hold it. So you cannot by any method, by a sacrifice, by any discipline or through any scientist, go to it. It will come to you, you cannot go to it. Not through any trick of the mind, not through any control, through any virtue. All that the mind can do is be quiet . Truth is not to be bought any more than love can be bought.
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To love truth, you must know truth. To know truth is to deny truth. What is known is not truth. What is known is already encased in time and ceases to be truth. Truth is an eternal movement, and so cannot be measured in words or in time. It cannot be held in the fist. You cannot love something which you do not know. But truth is not to be found in books, in images, in temples. It is to be found in action, in living. The very search for the unknown is love itself, and you cannot search for the unknowable away from relationship. You cannot search for reality, or for what you will, in isolation. It comes into being only in relationship, only when there is right relationship between man and man. So the love of man is the search for reality , truth .
When we are searching for someything there is the seeker and the thing that he seeks after. When the seeker finds what he thinks is truth, is God, is enlightenment, he must be able to recognize it. He must recognize it, right? Recognition implies previous knowledge, otherwise you cannot recognize. I cannot recognize my wife if I had not met her before (whenever I've me her)Therefore when I say this is truth, I have already known it and therefore it is not truth. So a man who is seeking truth lives a life of hypocrisy, because his truth is the projection of his memory, of his desire, of his intentions to find something other than "what is", a formula. So seeking implies duality-the one who seeks and the thing sought after-and where there is duality there is conflict. There is wastage of energy. So you can never find it, you can never invite it.
To be as nothing is essential. As a cup is useful only when it is empty, so only when one is as nothing is it possible to receive the grace of God, or Truth, or what ever.
To be as nothing is essential. As a cup is useful only when it is empty, so only when one is as nothing is it possible to receive the grace of God, or Truth, or what ever.
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