The devotion to God alone

[Spade]

Mein Gott in Himmel!
I'd rather have rain!
Cousin Spade

 

[AnnaG]

God Almighty and the Creator is not fabricated.
The nonsense is your many gods; and the talk about idols and idolatry is the cheap.

Prove it without using the human words in your book.

You are fanatic about your people; so you defend their idolatry, and while the idolatry is obviously the falsehood, your people will not avail you anything against God Almighty in the afterlife; and moreover, in this life God is the Almighty, no one can escape His might.

Sorry, but you are wrong. I am no fanatic. I only defend my idea that gods do not care what we do. You are the fanatic because you are too blind to understand any position other than your own. You constantly rant about Muhamud, the Quran, Allah, "God", show no evidence of any kind to support your postulations other than someone else's words in the Qurran and someone else's translations of the Quran. Your mind is feeble and closed.

The Quran is the word of God Almighty revealed from God and had to be written by human hands just like the Torah revealed to Moses and the Gospel revealed to Jesus.

Humans are fallible. The Quran was written by a human, therefore it is fallible.

 

[AnnaG]

Ra is false god; it is the sun worshipped in ancient Egypt; in addition to all other false gods and idols like the Baalim, Astaroth and Tur and many other idols.But God is All-living, and He will make you die sooner, and you cannot escape that.

Prove it without using someone else's words.
I have news for you, you cannot prove other gods are false anymore than you can prove your god is real. Try it without using someone else's words for a change. Try using your own brain to prove something you've said.
Who are you to say what a god will do. Maybe I will live to 200 years old. Maybe I will get squashed by an alien landing craft 3000 years from now. Who are you to say what will happen to me?

 

[AnnaG]

Mein Gott in Himmel!
I'd rather have rain!
Cousin Spade

I want more snow.

 

[lone wolf]

I want more snow.

Pray....:lol:

 

[countryboy]

I want more snow.

Seek and ye shall find. Go forth and seeketh thy snow upon thy Mount(ain)...for it is said that snow and many other things ye would seek shall be found at the highest levels of our earthly world, and in our small corner of it shall be found many things high. For we are the seekers of the truth, the word, and the snow.

Yea, tho' we are but mere mortals we have been given the gift of purity of mind and soul, and we are driven to higher ideals and aspirations because of them. And it shall come to pass that the brains which have been betrothed to us will lead us to the promised land...the land of snow, milk, and honey. Ye shall find these gifts on the mount, with an abundance of the one you seek near the summit.

And as you toil and struggle in your journey to the top of the mount, ye shall be reminded of the reason for your quest, "I want more snow."

Note: I am not making fun of Christianity...I am merely exercising my right to have a bit o' fun with a particular writing style, while demonstrating that there are many ways to say a simple thing...Like, "the higher you go, the more snow you're likely to find" - I think that's the short form of the 3 paragraphs above!

 

[AnnaG]

Pray....:lol:

To who? To the weatherman? :?:

 

[AnnaG]

Seek and ye shall find. Go forth and seeketh thy snow upon thy Mount(ain)...for it is said that snow and many other things ye would seek shall be found at the highest levels of our earthly world, and in our small corner of it shall be found many things high. For we are the seekers of the truth, the word, and the snow.

Yea, tho' we are but mere mortals we have been given the gift of purity of mind and soul, and we are driven to higher ideals and aspirations because of them. And it shall come to pass that the brains which have been betrothed to us will lead us to the promised land...the land of snow, milk, and honey. Ye shall find these gifts on the mount, with an abundance of the one you seek near the summit.

And as you toil and struggle in your journey to the top of the mount, ye shall be reminded of the reason for your quest, "I want more snow."

Note: I am not making fun of Christianity...I am merely exercising my right to have a bit o' fun with a particular writing style, while demonstrating that there are many ways to say a simple thing...Like, "the higher you go, the more snow you're likely to find" - I think that's the short form of the 3 paragraphs above!

Can't afford the time. I just like the 2 or 3 hours of snowshoeing at this point.

 

[darkbeaver]

Mars, Venus, Saturn, false gods! And the moon and the sun and the stars? What of them? A bit of the gleaming sword of god itself would touch you with the searing blinding light of old and you would know god truly and you would be drawn up to heaven, according to potential, there to sing in celestial choirs for all eternity, instead of joining us at the pond for the promised reward of rest unbroken.:smile:

 

[AnnaG]

Up to heaven? lol After all the space travel that humans have done, and considering that radio telescopy can "see" into space for a parsec and an inch, no-one's discovered heaven yet.
Pond? I want to go fishing.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Eanassir, if you'd read something besides the Quran you might perceive that the Quran and Islam are almost entirely plagiarized from earlier Christian and Jewish texts, have nothing unique or original to recommend them, and cannot justify the grandiose claims they make for themselves. If you're going to insist on coming here and trying to peddle Islam's claimed truths, you could make a good start by reconciling all of Islam's schismatic sects.

Don’t forget plagiarism from Hinduism, Dexter. That is as important. I have already explained before, how Allah predates Islam and is probably the Goddess mentioned in Hinduism (the Upanishads).

Islam simply built upon the then existent and dominant religions, Hinduism, Christianity and Judaism. Indeed, the town of Ramallah in the West Bank combines the names of Hindu and Muslim gods, Rama and Allah.

 

[eanassir]

Almost since Islam's beginnings there have been bloody feuds between different sects of Islam. There are many inter-Muslim accusations of profanity and heresy, and deeds of horrible violence committed by Muslims against other Muslims. The schism between Shia and Sunni is only the best known of these bloody feuds, there are others. It was just the first one, a dispute over the succession of authority among the Prophet's descendants, and pretty closely parallels the Catholic-Protestant schism over papal authority in Christianity. Muslims can't agree among themselves what is correct and what's heresy, and they're still murdering each other over it.

True. this is one of the kinds of punishment for the associaters and idolaters, and adopting patrons other than God. >

Judaism and Christianity have for the most part got past that level of folly, but Islam hasn't had its reformation and adapted itself to the modern world yet.

The two world wars are not too far from now.>

Eanassir, if you'd read something besides the Quran you might perceive that ((the Quran and Islam are almost entirely plagiarized from earlier Christian and Jewish texts)), have nothing unique or original to recommend them, and cannot justify the grandiose claims they make for themselves. If you're going to insist on coming here and trying to peddle Islam's claimed truths, you could make a good start by reconciling all of Islam's schismatic sects.

Not plagiarized; but many similarities because the Sender is the same one.and many differences because the Quran corrects many mistakes and distortions that afflicted the present Torah and Gospel.To reconcile people It is very easy !!?? Once they know God without associate and the Quran the word of God.What afflicted Muslims, and had afflicted Jews and Christians before them is because of the association with God and taking the patron saints and imams.So their enemies came on them overseas (the modern American on Iraq) and overland (the ancient Babylonian on Israel)You are right also with this suggestion, but all has advantage from every respect: speaking to Muslims and speaking to others, by God's will. If they respond or not, it is up to God to deal with all of them.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This topic is going beyond imaginations and words here are becoming too scary

We have had more passionate discussions than this Vinod, this is nothing. And the subject has also been discussed before, how different religions have freely borrowed from each other.

My hypothesis is that since Hinduism is the oldest religion on record, all the major religions have borrowed freely from Hinduism (which should interest you, I assume you are a Hindu).

 

[Spade]

Seek and ye shall find. Go forth and seeketh thy snow upon thy Mount(ain)...for it is said that snow and many other things ye would seek shall be found at the highest levels of our earthly world, and in our small corner of it shall be found many things high. For we are the seekers of the truth, the word, and the snow.

Yea, tho' we are but mere mortals we have been given the gift of purity of mind and soul, and we are driven to higher ideals and aspirations because of them. And it shall come to pass that the brains which have been betrothed to us will lead us to the promised land...the land of snow, milk, and honey. Ye shall find these gifts on the mount, with an abundance of the one you seek near the summit.

And as you toil and struggle in your journey to the top of the mount, ye shall be reminded of the reason for your quest, "I want more snow."

Note: I am not making fun of Christianity...I am merely exercising my right to have a bit o' fun with a particular writing style, while demonstrating that there are many ways to say a simple thing...Like, "the higher you go, the more snow you're likely to find" - I think that's the short form of the 3 paragraphs above!

It is written in the Qur'an...
Quote:
"If thou canst bring Muhammad to the snows, thou must bring snow to Muhammad." Use Purolator and mark it "Rush!"

 

[AnnaG]

My hypothesis is that since Hinduism is the oldest religion on record,

What an ignorant comment. Hinduism is not the oldest religion on record. It's simply the one practised for the longest. There are older religions and ones that have died and been resurrected D excuse the inference).
Religion is as old as civilisation (thought to have been Mesopotamia). The Mesopotamians worshiped An, Enlil, Nin-khursag, Enki, and their creators Taimat and Absu.

 

[Spade]

We have had more passionate discussions than this Vinod, this is nothing. And the subject has also been discussed before, how different religions have freely borrowed from each other.

My hypothesis is that since Hinduism is the oldest religion on record, all the major religions have borrowed freely from Hinduism (which should interest you, I assume you are a Hindu).

Nonsense! Every people had their tribal gods and spirits!

 

[eanassir]

Don�t forget plagiarism from Hinduism, Dexter. That is as important. I have already explained before, how Allah predates Islam and is probably the Goddess mentioned in Hinduism (the Upanishads).

Islam simply built upon the then existent and dominant religions, Hinduism, Christianity and Judaism. Indeed, the town of Ramallah in the West Bank combines the names of Hindu and Muslim gods, Rama and Allah.

So you are keeping up on your insisting, until your God appointment comes on.Consider it in the other way round: in case the Quran is from God Who sent His apostles to all nations; of course you will find similarities; but the Quran is pure: crystal-pure.The evidence of the Quran is so obvious, that no one denies unless he closes his eyes to the light of the Quran intentionally.

 

[Spade]

What an ignorant comment. Hinduism is not the oldest religion on record. It's simply the one practised for the longest. There are older religions and ones that are older that have died and been resurrected D excuse the inference).

Whoops! Thou hast beaten me to the punch!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I have studied many religious and spiritual philosophies but until eanassir came into my life with his interpretation of the Quran, I was not very educated on Islam. Now I know, because of his writing here, that Islam is a dangerous religion, that it promotes hatred and intolerance of others and their beliefs. Although I do not adhere to the beliefs of any religion because I think all religions are dangerous, I have now been educated by eanassir to know that Islam is the most dangerous of them all.

Cliffy, I don’t think Islam is any more dangerous than say, Christianity or Hinduism. There are plenty of dangerous doctrines in all the major religions. Bible says plenty of nasty things about unbelievers; it prescribes death to witches and homosexuals.

Hinduism has caste system, whereby the poor, downtrodden are destined to stay in the life of misery and famine, with no recourse in the religion. Indeed, Hinduism tells the poor that it is their fault that they are poor; they probably sinned mightily in the past incarnation, that is why they are suffering in this reincarnation. Status of women is more debased, more pathetic in Hinduism than it is in Islam or Christianity.

So each religion has a few nasty things in it. The difference is (and I think you touched on this) in how people react to their Holy Book. Christians simply ignore the nastier teachings of the Bible. Even the so called Fundamentalists do not take Bible literally, they only take some portions of the Bible (the ones that suit them) literally. Even Fundamentalist do not believe that witches and homosexuals be put to death.

Same with Hinduism. While I assume that in villages people still pretty much follow the old time religion, with caste system, bride burning and all, at least in the cities there has been considerable liberalization.

The problem with Islam is that at least a significant minority of Muslims take the Koran literally. A Woman is equal to half a man, stoning women to death, killing the infidels, cutting off the hands of the thieves etc. Muslim themselves must reform their ways, if they want to be regarded as civilized people.

The fault lies not with Islam (well, no more so that it lies with Hinduism or Christianity), but with Muslims.

 

[eanassir]

It is written in the Qur'an...
Quote:
"If thou canst bring Muhammad to the snows, thou must bring snow to Muhammad." Use Purolator and mark it "Rush!"

This is a lie; nothing like this is in the Glorious Quran; in the Quran, the one that speaks badly about the apostle of God will have a painful punishment in the afterlife. (And in this life of the World).