The devotion to God alone
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Ah Spade - peace be with you in this fine New Year. I like Goober's post.
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We see what we believe we'll see. If we believe in angels, we see angels; aliens, we see aliens; animal spirits, we see animal spirits; demons, we see demons, nothing, we see nothing; etc, etc. You believe in gods, you will find all kinds of "evidence" for their existence, if you don't, you will find no evidence for them. That is about as simple as it gets. Belief determines reality.
Well, you are both wrong. The most recent Word of God was revealed to me, through Applism (the only true religion in the world), as I have already revealed in these forums before this.
It happened just a few months ago. So neither Mohammed nor Joseph Smith represents the most recent Word of God. So be an Applist or die an eternal death, be separated from God for eternity.
Indeed. And if people like Mohammed Atta or Osama Ben Laden decide to help the Almighty along in his work (of destroying the disbelievers), where is the harm, eh?
Quite right, Cliffy. Mormonism is a particularly nasty faith. Mormons also used to think that blacks were subhuman; they gave blacks full equality just a few decades ago.
And they still regard woman as vastly inferior to man. According to Mormon faith, each man is a direct conduit to God. A woman can achieve her Salvation only through a man (her husband and her priest). Thus, only boys are permitted to go on a mission, not girls (until recently they didn’t permit black to go on missions either). And yes, God is a man, according to Mormons.
Mind you, having lived in Salt Lake City for five years, I knew many Mormons, and they are among the nicest people I have ever met. But that doesn’t mean that their faith is nice, it is quite nasty.
Quite so, Cliffy. And I think anybody who does not subscribe to Applism is a blasphemer.
The devotion to God alone
We are between two wrong extremes:
>> atheism on one hand,
>> and on the other hand the false religion of associating the patron Jesus, saints, Jewish sages, Muslim imams and the idols of idolaters together with God Almighty.
· Atheists and disbelievers always say the religion is so and so and it is bad, it is only backwardedness, myths …etc.
Certainly, not every religion is true and correct: what a great difference is between the idolatry: worshipping stones and statues on one hand, and between the devotion to God alone without associate or equal.
Therefore, this is their trick: they mix the bad religion of worshipping stones with the true religion of worshipping God alone; then they with the same design say:
all these deities: GodAllah, Yahweh), Astroth, Baal, Tur and all other gods are the same; because they are deities worshipped by people in the past and at the present.
But what a great difference is between God the Creator of the entire universe and the Lord of all nations, and between such idols as Astaroth or Tur and other stony statues and idols.
Now, I think they cannot cheat people by such tricks; people now are educated and can distinguish the truth from falsehood.
In addition, it is not every man will be guided in spite of that he may know the truth: he may be disgusted or may dislike it for many reasons, or may be proud over following the truth of the Quran and that Prophet Mohammed was the truthful apostle that conveyed the message without alteration as did he hear it from the angel.
· On the other extreme:
People should not hold fast with Jewish sages, Christian saints, and Muslim imams apart from God; neither should they sanctify their graves and shrines;
Because the saints and imams died and passed away, and their spiritual souls transferred to heaven, and went to the neighborhood of their Lord.
And none of them remained on the earth [because they were righteous and devoted to God alone, so they went to Paradise in Heaven following their death] and nothing is in their graves other than their rotten and decayed bodies.
God – be glorified – said in the Quran 32: 4
اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَابَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ مَا لَكُم مِّندُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا شَفِيعٍ ..الخ
The explanation:
(It is God Who created the heavens and the earth [: the planets including the earth] and what [moons and meteorites] between them in six [of the] days [of the Hereafter.] Then He mounted the throne.
You have not, apart from Him, any patron nor any intercessor …etc.)
It means: Don't choose for yourselves, patrons, from among creatures, that you sanctify and worship besides God; eventhough they are Jesus or other prophets or angels of high rank; or you choose them as your intercessors with God;
Because, on Judgment Day, the intercession as a whole belongs to God, and no being can intercede for behalf of any other being -- unless God Himself gives them permission to do so: to save anyone from the punishment.
Moreover, the intercessor cannot intercede for the behalf of anyone whom he likes: no, the intercession is restricted for monotheists: the devoted to God alone, and not for atheists, associaters and idolaters.
quran-ayat.com/an_hour_with_ghosts.htm#The_Devotion_Should_Exclusively_Be_to_God_and_the_Intercession_Is_Up_to_Him
To start with your post is way too long, it shouldn't take more than a paragraph to portray the basics of one's philosophy. I like to keep things simple. I'm an agnostic- I simply don't know the answers for sure beyond the fact there is a higher power. Man is one of the stupidest creatures on the face of the earth and politically we are led by the stupidest of the species. I don't believe we have to go out of our way kowtowing and expounding on it. I don't believe we have to fear it or that if we make a mistake we are going to Hell. In fact I think many of the people who do expound on religion are nothing less than a bunch of frauds and quite often hypocrites. That sums up my take on it.
Quite so, eanassir, God is a person. That means that he is a man, of course, he can hardly be a woman. At least in this respect, Mormons agree with you.
So, is he an Arab man? is there any hope for us whities?
There are a lot of persons who think they are God but how do you tell which is the real one? :lol::lol::lol: I have yet to meet one who fits the criteria.:lol::lol::lol:
Simple just take the 100 best traits about a person, compassion, understanding, wisdom, etc. etc. etc. and if you find someone with all of them that would be Him.
Well, yes. But which God has those traits? God of Koran? God of Bible? Both of them come across as angry, vindictive ‘so and so’s who have caused plenty of mayhem, death and destruction. Both of them tolerate plenty of injustice; indeed, sometimes they advocate it.
So what makes you think that traits such as compassion, understanding, wisdom etc. characterize God?
Um, anyway, back to the subject: I can't see any particular reason to devote oneself to a god rather than godS even if any of them paid any attention to us lowly humans. The one or two that get jealous, have temper tantrums, and go on mass killing sprees just give more reason to devote oneself to more pleasant gods.